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I thought that once Harsh Mentor was spoiled during Amonkhet spoilers that a death and taxes deck was viable. I was wrong then, but maybe now, with Tocatli Honor Guard and Ashes of the Abhorrent, who knows?

I would love some feedback on the deck, thanks for stopping by!

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Qolorful says... #1

I love this, oh I love this so. I've been wanting to look into death and taxes for standard, so this is great to see! Unfortunately I think that it won't be as strong as we'd hope. I know from experience that cards like kambal, tend to just do 2 damage and waste a kill spell, which isn't super advantageous for 3 mana. I could be wrong though

Do we have any flickers in ixalan standard? I know we lose Eldrazi Displacer, but if we had something else to flicker it would be easy to abuse the new pirate guy

September 13, 2017 7:06 p.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #2

Good suggestion. Upon a quick search I have found three: Wispweaver Angel, Acrobatic Maneuver, and Angel of Condemnation. Obviously Angel of Condemnation is the best of these three and definitely worth considering a spot.

But also, I have just realized that the pirate and Tocatli Honor Guard is a pretty big nonbo so I may have to make some changes.

September 13, 2017 7:23 p.m.

Variux says... #3

I love Death and Taxes, and have been trying to make one work for fun for a bit now. Some things I would change:

1.) Put Ashes of the Abhorrent in the sideboard, along with Solemnity. These cards are going to be dead draws vs most of the decks you will probably play against, unless you're playing Temur Energy, GPG, or Constrictor decks. Game 1 you might get beat, but games 2 and 3 are much better match ups. That is similar to how D&T usually plays in other game modes. Brian Coval won his GP by pretty much getting wrecked every game 1, but dominating the board game 2 and 3.

2.) Add in Rampaging Ferocidon. Recently spoiled, definitely hoses the hell out of anyone playing a vampire deck. Along with Authority of the Consuls, you could cause a swing in life every turn. Could be main boarded or sideboarded.

3.) Deadeye Tracker could be a great card in a deck like this. Not only does it serve as a sort of Relic of Progenitus, it also allows him to grow or ramp you.

4.) Angel of Condemnation and Gonti, Lord of Luxury are great cards too. You can flicker your own creatures such as Demon of Dark Schemes to -2/-2 every turn if you want to wipe the board, or you can flicker your opponent's attackers or creatures as well. Not a bad card.

Overall, I really like it! I hope it serves you well and you enjoy playing it.

September 13, 2017 7:45 p.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #4

I actually took out Gonti, Lord of Luxury because of its interaction with Tocatli Honor Guard, of course it would also mess with Authority of the Consuls and Rampaging Ferocidon's life gain (though it is still a good option). Another worry of mine is the mana base, hence red being only a splash but I could probably swing it with black as the splash color. I really appreciate the suggestions. Deadeye Tracker was one that I knew I wanted but couldn't find. Thanks for pointing it out.

September 13, 2017 7:52 p.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #5

I have changed around much of the main/side per some of the suggestions above. I think Tocatli Honor Guard is a great card, but at the moment the deck relies to heavily on etb effects. I have opted to take out Demon of Dark Schemes for now but if I find that I have trouble finishing games it will likely return.

September 13, 2017 8:25 p.m.

wolfpants says... #6

wouldn't Dusk / Dawn fit in here better as to not wrath your own creatures well some of them at least.

September 13, 2017 9:57 p.m.

wolfpants says... #7

also could consider Kinjalli's Sunwing for another flyer beater

September 13, 2017 10:04 p.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #8

Yes

September 13, 2017 10:10 p.m.

Sackout says... #9

Siren'a ruse spoiled. But you'd have to go into blue. Could be used for flicker effects though.

September 15, 2017 11:23 a.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #10

Not sure it has a place in here. It's quite similar to Acrobatic Maneuver but with a more conditional draw effect for one less Mana and I don't think there's much in blue I want. Thanks for the suggestion though! I'm really liking the way Ixalan is shaping up.

September 15, 2017 12:41 p.m.

Bluedr3amz_ says... #11

Add cycle lands/more duels

September 16, 2017 1:15 a.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #12

My options are Dragonskull Summit and Canyon Slough. I might add Canyon Slough. Though having searchable basics due to Field of Ruin is important I could probably replace two. Thanks for the suggestion!

September 16, 2017 1:22 a.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #13

Ifnir Deadlands might fit as well.

September 16, 2017 1:23 a.m.

Bluedr3amz_ says... #14

2/3 3 cost white flyer in xln with the txt "Creatures and Artifacts come into play tapped" will be huge, i thought u ran some but since u Dont i recommend it alot especially againts big hasty dinos and stuff rn,

September 16, 2017 8:27 p.m.

Why not add some curses to your deck. I know you have a lot of four drops, but the deck seems weak to control decks. Sideboard option maybe?

September 17, 2017 12:32 p.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #16

I don't think that any of the curses are worth a spot in my opinion. Ashes stops gearhulk and I've got mainboarded hand disruption, not saying control is a good matchup though.

September 17, 2017 2:44 p.m.

Qolorful says... #17

I like the way this is looking dude!! I think the interactions between Rampaging Ferocidon and Kinjalli's Sunwing a lot to shut down both lifegain and Aggro, and i love the sheer power of Angel of Condemnation and Gonti, Lord of Luxury just stealing your opponents best cards. I'm going to build this I think.

September 17, 2017 2:50 p.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #18

Sweet! I'm glad you think so! Please tell me how it goes if you do build it!

September 17, 2017 3:29 p.m.

Variux says... #19

I'd also take a peek at Gideon of the Trials in a spot like this. He's pretty sick but also just doubled in price.

September 17, 2017 3:42 p.m.

Qolorful says... #20

Gideon is a middle finger to both Gishath and Glorybringer, both of witch are looking to be big

September 17, 2017 3:47 p.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #21

Gideon's good. Think he's a bit out of place here, but could be slotted in somewhere. What would you take out for it?

September 17, 2017 4:25 p.m.

Torment of Scarabs is really good against control decks

September 17, 2017 5:08 p.m.

Yacube says... #23

Two suggestions. Drop the Duresss. You don't want a playset in the mainboard due to the creature heavy nature of your deck, meaning it's too high variance anyway. Also I'd replace Kambal with Vengeful Rebel. Works great with Angel of Condemnation and better with the tenor of your deck in general.

September 17, 2017 5:58 p.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #24

I'm going to have to disagree and here's why: Kinjalli's Sunwing, Rampaging Ferocidon, and Harsh Mentor do a pretty good job at slowing more creature-based builds, not to mention the removal my deck has.

However, against non-creature decks is where I need additional support and maindeck duress, Kitesail Freebooter and Kambal are great options in slowing those decks down.

Thank you for your suggestions though!

September 17, 2017 9 p.m.

D1beast says... #25

Maybe you could use a Thalia, Heretic Cathar for slowing dow opponents? She does the same as the sunwing, but the first strike can come in handy

September 18, 2017 7:26 a.m.

D1beast says... #26

Also, with the check lands reprinted, she can also slow them down!

September 18, 2017 7:27 a.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #27

Thalia, Heretic Cathar would 100% be in the deck but unfortunately she will no longer be in standard.

September 18, 2017 7:33 a.m.

Qolorful says... #28

Well she's a strictly better sunwing so of course she'd go in if she could

September 18, 2017 7:53 a.m.

Zienem says... #29

Tremblayk19 I like the idea of the deck, whoever mentioned Gideon of the Trials I think thats a great idea, I think its a great replacement for Rampaging Ferocidon. Mainly because I dont think lifegain is going to be a popular decktype meaning its more of a sideboard card. There is almost no decks that have lifegain and I dont think Vamps will be good enough to justify a mainboard of it. I think Gideon of the Trials is a much better 3 drop as he will shut down any creature they play and it puts early pressure on the field and since he only costs 3 even if you lose him its not a big deal. all in all +1!

September 18, 2017 7:56 a.m.

Qolorful says... #30

Vampires are definitely going to see some play, and at least at my meta Crested Sunmare is a thing. Besides, it's the second ability that really matters for ferocidon, as anyone playing creature heavy will suffer for it

September 18, 2017 8:03 a.m.

Zienem says... #31

Also instead of Vraska's Contempt I think Settle the Wreckage is a much better card, its mass exile and instant speed, the lands dont matter much if they swing out with everything, every turn (Ramunap Red) and you force them to top deck they arent going to get anything very powerful. To summarize:

Mainboard:

-2 Rampaging Ferocidon

+2 Gideon of the Trials

Sideboard:

-2 Vraska's Contempt

-1 Dusk

+3 Settle the Wreckage

-2 Sorcerous Spyglass

+2 Rampaging Ferocidon

Settle the Wreckage is to good not to use especially in a deck like this, I honestly think you should mainboard it the lands are not a big deal against any deck other than Dino's, but then you just keep Dusk to shut them down to. I would take out Vraska's Contempt because it may be target removal but there shouldnt be any thing you will need to use it against that your normal removal wont work. Other than the gods, but even then Wreckage will stop that as well.

Qolorful There just isn't enough support for Vamps right now, especially with Temur and Ramunap Red remaining on top, and of all the new tribes Dinos are the only ones that got enough support right now. I understand every local meta is different (mine is very tier one-ish) but for sure at the tier one level (as of XLN) Vamps and Merfolk will not see play. Maybe later they will get the cards they need but its not good right now. Also the second ability also affects you, this is a very creature heavy deck so you will also suffer from the card.

September 18, 2017 8:23 a.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #32

What I don't like about ferocidon is the symmetry. Because this deck is so creature heavy I will also take some damage from ferocidon and having Angel of Condemnation and Rampaging Ferocidon is kind of a nonbo. I also do agree that life gain/vampires will be fringe playable at best. Perhaps it deserves a sideboard slot, I don't know.

As for Gideon of the Trials, I just wish it was better haha. I guess stopping a single creature from dealing damage for a turn is okay.

September 18, 2017 8:30 a.m.

Qolorful says... #33

It's hard to say that before seeing them in play though. Re mtg community is historically bad at judging power levels of cards and strategies before they were played. For example, in emn people thought emrakul was underwhelming, and lili was trash. Both dominated the meta, and emrakul got banned eventually. All I'm saying is i think both of those tribes probably have more potential than people are giving them credit for. we will have to watch how it plays out

Also, if gishath ends up being a thing, Gideon will absolutely destroy him. As people will ramp up to him and you get Gideon out and they get no reward

September 18, 2017 8:31 a.m.

Zienem says... #34

Tremblayk19 Yeah I would agree Rampaging Ferocidon is not that great in this deck, and another interesting thing I saw was Angel of Condemnation can bounce Gideon back to 3 loyalty if you turn him into a creature-attack-then bounce to restore to full loyalty. Just something neat plus Gideon puts on alot of pressure once you stabilize the board and dont forget you can have more than one out after XLN hits!

Qolorful you are absolutely right, we don't know for certain I am DEFINITELY not a pro but I think I can say that of the tribes WOTC gave all the love to Pirates and Dinos, Vamps and Merfolk didn't get as much love. I could see some vamps being in other decks but a Vampire life-gain tribal just doesn't seem likely.

September 18, 2017 8:44 a.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #35

I can bounce Gideon with Angel, but I cannot have more than one in play unless I play Gideon, Martial Paragon also, which won't be happening.

September 18, 2017 8:53 a.m.

Zienem says... #36

Tremblayk19 True true but 2 is a good number I think.

September 18, 2017 9:08 a.m.

Kizmetto says... #37

Whoa, i didn't think i'd see D+T in standard again but im very happy to see it! What do you think are your best match ups and worst match ups currently?

September 18, 2017 9:30 a.m.

wolfpants says... #38

if you use Settle the Wreckage you might consider Aven Mindcensor so you could mitigate the downside of it. while also having another evasive threat. just a thought

September 18, 2017 10:08 a.m.

Kizmetto says... #39

I did a test and heres my write up

Your deck VS nayasaurusrex

Game 1 and 2. Show

I tried my best but maybe you can give it a shot with you piloting your deck, i think i made some misplays but i tried my best to be unbiased and fair and knowledge etc. Hope you enjoy reading and maybe can learn from it somehow? I think you need to move the Duress to Sideboard, or swap it for Harsh Scrutiny in the sideboard somewhere.

September 18, 2017 10:47 a.m.

Qolorful says... #40

Harsh Scrutiny is probably going to be better against all the tribal that will happen now that I think about it. I also think the previously mention aether born would really help with removal

September 18, 2017 11 a.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #41

Thank you for taking the time to write that in depth play test. Dino's were a deck I figured it would struggle with and it was there reason for the Vraska's Contempt in the sideboard earlier.

I don't think I'm ready to get rid of Duress. Dino's is a matchup in which I know I will be boarding it out though and so it shouldn't be judged by this match.

September 18, 2017 11:11 a.m.

Eggsofwrath says... #42

a single Bishop of Rebirth in the sideboard might be worthwhile for removal heavy matchups, if only to get back your bears faster then they can kill them

September 18, 2017 11:43 a.m.

Ramtin says... #43

hey, love your deck, but i'm bit afraid, cause u don't have any draw ... put at least some cycle lands.Again, love ur deck <3

September 18, 2017 11:44 a.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #44

I have tentatively added 2x Canyon Slough, I also have Deadeye Tracker's explore and Cast Out's cycle for further card draw.

Eggsofwrath I think the copies of Dusk / Dawn will be enough for some recursion. I don't think I want to muddle the creature base any more than it already is.

Appreciate the suggestions!!

September 18, 2017 11:54 a.m.

Variux says... #45

Gideon has the ability to pull you out of a bad situation. He's a free 4/4 blocker every turn, or he fogs your opponent's strongest creature. Not to mention if you're ever in a bind, you literally cannot lose the game until he's gone. This is where you can clear the board with Settle the Wreckage, keep attacking with your creatures, and get rid of Gideon yourself.

September 18, 2017 8:23 p.m.

Qolorful says... #46

For draw power you can use the new legendary black enchantment. Something bloodfast. It's just a really strong Greed

September 18, 2017 9:08 p.m.

Tremblayk19 says... #47

Gideon of the Trials can't block unless you are referring to the fact that the opponent will often attack him rather than us.

And Qolorful, I'm not too worried about adding card draw, but Arguel's Blood Fast is a neat card that could be included if you wanted it.

September 18, 2017 10:02 p.m.

pickelchu says... #48

Gotta have that Aven Mindcensor + Field of Ruin + Ramunap Excavator combo, and mana fixing doesn't matter cause field of ruin does that

September 19, 2017 10:51 a.m.

Qolorful says... #49

Lol quite a lot of effort for land killer combo

Edit, quite brutal though

September 19, 2017 11:44 a.m.

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This deck is not Standard legal.

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Illegal cards Deadeye Tracker, Duress, Field of Ruin, Kinjalli's Sunwing, Kitesail Freebooter, Ashes of the Abhorrent, Rampaging Ferocidon, Settle the Wreckage, Tocatli Honor Guard
Cards 60
Avg. CMC 2.56
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Revision 5 (4 weeks ago)

-1 Plains main
-1 Swamp main
+2 Canyon Slough main
-2 Rampaging Ferocidon main
+2 Gideon of the Trials main
+2 Settle the Wreckage side
-1 Dusk side
-2 Sorcerous Spyglass side
-2 Vraska's Contempt side
+1 Lost Legacy side
+2 Rampaging Ferocidon side

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