- 1x Ancient Den
- 1x Ancient Tomb
- 1x Badlands
- 1x Battlefield Forge
- 1x Blood Crypt
- 1x Bloodstained Mire
- 1x Caves of Koilos
- 1x City of Brass
- 1x Fetid Heath
- 1x Flagstones of Trokair
- 1x Flooded Strand
- 1x Godless Shrine
- 1x Great Furnace
- 3x Mountain
- 3x Plains
- 1x Plateau
- 1x Polluted Delta
- 1x Sacred Foundry
- 1x Scrubland
- 1x Sulfurous Springs
- 2x Swamp
- 1x Vault of Whispers
- 1x Windswept Heath
- 1x Wooded Foothills
- 1x Animate Dead
- 1x Blind Obedience
- 1x Blood Moon
- 1x Contamination
- 1x Ghirapur AEther Grid
- 1x Goblin Bombardment
- 1x Leyline of the Void
- 1x Phyrexian Arena
- 1x Reconnaissance
- 1x Auriok Salvagers
- 1x Avalanche Riders
- 1x Aven Mindcensor
- 1x Eidolon of Rhetoric
- 1x Felidar Guardian
- 1x Fulminator Mage
- 1x Hope of Ghirapur
- 1x Karmic Guide
- 1x Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
- 1x Linvala, Keeper of Silence
- 1x Loyal Retainers
- 1x Magus of the Moon
- 1x Magus of the Tabernacle
- 1x Master of Cruelties
- 1x Recruiter of the Guard
- 1x Reveillark
- 1x Sanctum Prelate
- 1x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
- 1x Thalia, Heretic Cathar
- 1x Vryn Wingmare
- 1x Altar of Dementia
- 1x Boros Signet
- 1x Chalice of the Void
- 1x Helm of Obedience
- 1x Lion's Eye Diamond
- 1x Mana Crypt
- 1x Mox Diamond
- 1x Mox Opal
- 1x Orzhov Signet
- 1x Pyrite Spellbomb
- 1x Rakdos Signet
- 1x Sol Ring
- 1x Sphere of Resistance
- 1x Static Orb
- 1x Talisman of Indulgence
- 1x Tangle Wire
- 1x Thorn of Amethyst
- 1x Trinisphere
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Okay, let's do this! cracks knuckles I love the snarky tone of the description, btw :)
The stax elements of this deck seem strong, mostly. You're missing Winter Orb though. I would normally suggest Crackdown and Meekstone and Moat, but they interfere with Alesha :( Perhaps Smoke or Mudslide? I don't personally like Chalice of the Void in EDH, though, there's just too much variance in the mana cost of powerful cards. And since you're reanimating things anyway, might as well play Big Daddy Smokestack!
However, the land base seems...a little off. 29 mana-producing lands is REALLY really low, doubly so since you will have to pay some of your own "taxes". I know that the Karoo lands help a bit, but I still wouldn't trust this mana base without SIGNIFICANT testing. You might also find the Filterlands useful to mana fix (Rugged Prairie, Fetid Heath, Graven Cairns). I also never leave home without Reflecting Pool, City of Brass, Mana Confluence, etc. Basically, look at Lilbrudder's Leovold mana base and color-shift it XD
I'm actually not really a fan of Nahiri, the Harbinger in EDH. Is she just there for utility, or are you planning to use her ult? If the former is true, there are better ways to get card filtering. If the latter is true, what's your finisher?
That being said, planeswalkers can generally be really good in stax decks. You might get away with including some other walkers that play more into your gameplan, possibly Sorin Markov to reset lifetotals? :)
No Necropotence? :( I guess maybe the card is too much color commitment in tri-color.
If you're going to run Mox Opal with only 18 artifacts, I'd try and include the three on-color artifact lands as well.
False Prophet seems odd here, since you have the ability to reanimate creatures with relative ease.
Yes or no on Mox Diamond? Your land count is already low, but it's so good...
I hope that helps a bit! :) I'll leave more comments if I think of them, and happy deckbuilding!
March 15, 2017 7:37 p.m.
Thank you so much for the advice!
False prophet is definitely a weird choice haha I was going for the creatures that were Alesha targets as well and thought to run him.
Surprisingly 30 lands has not hurt me! I try these risk in some of the four colour decks as well.
I feel like I may just run Night's Whisper on top of the others, no? I like the ones that make me discard because it helps me put a creature I'd rather reanimate.I liked Merciless Eviction in there for Atraxa players in my meta haha.
And yeah I had rest in peace originally but it and necropotence hurt me more than it helps since I'm frequently discarding and also want to reanimate from my grave.
Nahiri is kind of a tester for me. I am using her mainly for her first two abilities. Discarding a creature for a card has helped a bit, or in case of a few voltron opponents I face, removing pesky enchantments or equipments came in handy.
March 16, 2017 8:01 a.m.
Reconnaissance may be worth pursuing?
Tabernacle actually shouldn't be in this deck I am only proxying it. So I may just adjust it to City of Brass, or Mana Confluence.
March 16, 2017 9:32 a.m.
Daedalus19876 updates to the list:
Reveillark *HOW did I not have this
Altar of Dementia - sac outlet for the RevKarm combo
Are all added.
March 16, 2017 10:09 a.m.
March 16, 2017 10:04 p.m.
March 16, 2017 10:16 p.m.
That's pretty great haha. I think its time to dust off my fairly casual Alesha deck (well as casual as I get...). You guys down for some EDH action on Cockatrice sometime?
March 16, 2017 10:54 p.m.
love the deck, but have you thought about a Clock of Omens, with the Static Orb and/or Winter Orb combo? the Clock of Omens untaps whatever you need whenever you need to and keeps the Static Orb from hurting you.
March 16, 2017 11:57 p.m.
Lilbrudder: I'd be down to play on Cockatrice sometime!
March 17, 2017 12:04 a.m.
This Hope shenanigans is way too good not to include.
ehohenthal Clock of Omens will definitely be considered now, thank you!
March 17, 2017 9:52 a.m.
Its super easy to set up and is free The UI takes a few games to figure out but we could walk you through it
March 17, 2017 10:11 a.m.
March 17, 2017 12:07 p.m.
Hmm yeah I suppose that would be a good way to get it tapped. Ping a player/planeswalker on someone's endstep then untap with all of our stuff.
March 17, 2017 1:49 p.m.
Curious about some of the cards you run and your thought process for them and if they work well.
Hope seemed like a decent card, but unless you got a way to possibly deal damage to multiple people, picking on one person seemed...rough. Spirit was a card I did consider. While we (Alesha players), cant recur it, having it tutorable is something nice. Have you ever run into issues where you yourself screw yourself over, unable to draw additional cards?
Pox seems like an interesting card. Sort of a board and hand 'reset', giving you a chance to discard cards, start picking people down to lower life totals ect. Another "doesn't it hurt you" effect is Blood Moon type effects. I considered them (ugh the expensiveness of them though -_-), but havent decided to pull the trigger.
As for upgrades, I personally like Rule of Law over Ethersworn Canonist. Reason being is because if you play against an artifact deck, it just REALLY sucks to have to try and deal with it while you personally cant do much. It also combos with Possibility Storm, another way to really screw with Blue players (trying to cast a counterspell and instead gets a Brainstorm or an inoperable High Tide when they dont want it) and as stated, with Rule of Law effects, players cant cast spells from their hands, meaning only graveyard recursion (like Alesha) or stuff being cast from the grave will work.
One thing I personally am having trouble with in my build is keeping cards in my hand. I usually end up not having cards and unable to really do much. My other issue was I was playing alot of cards that targeted me, like Hokori, Dust Drinker. Would love to get some additional input from another Alesha player. My build is based off of a Death and Taxes Primer so I'd like to get another set of eyes on it :3
March 19, 2017 11:13 a.m.
foxboy93 hey brotha thank you for the comment!
I'll try my best to explain some of the cards but you have helped me think twice about some!
Hope of Ghirapur was a new recommendation and one I'm currently testing. The premise is it's a recurring lockdown for non creature decks, which my meta has a few of. Having it tapped and attacking helps and in most cases they don't have blockers.
Pox is more personal flavour. But I can tell you the instances where I forced opponents into conceding. I had three lands, and about 4 mana rocks, Alesha and a creature vs 6 lands and 4 creatures. Does it hurt me? Sort of but this is one of my favourite high risk/reward cards because it really should tear down your opponent.
Blood Moon effects shouldn't hurt me if I've basic lands or mana rocks that make
Rule of Law I definitely want to try perhaps in place of Spirit of the Labyrinth? I've thought of other Alesha legal creatures as well. Gonti was surprisingly efficient, could be brought back for multiple ETB triggers, and play some spells outside of my colours. I Gonti'd a Lim Dul's Vault and was able to combo off with it by getting my combo pieces.
I will certainly take a look at your list!
One thing I love is the idea that your hands and GY are essentially one and the same with a reanimator deck! So with that mindset I would focus on cards that have us discard. Our biggest threat is obvious graveyard hate, but even then a Tormod's Crypt is vulnerable, and a Scavenging Ooze can be dealt with.
March 19, 2017 1:42 p.m.
My only think with Hope is that it does have to connect. If you are up against a Talrand, Sky Summoner deck, then good luck getting in. It is also able to be blown up by something saced to a Goblin Bombardment or even a Staff of Nin.
In my own deck, I don't run nearly as many mana rocks. I could probably start cutting lands, since I usually hit alot during game play, it can get rough once in a while.
With cards like Blood Moon or Winter Orb effects, people here tend to kill you first. I also run very little land hate, in the form of Avalanche Riders. Primarily, I'll use it to get rid of lands that tap for two or stuff like a Gaea's cradle or Nyxthos to stop the massive mana ramp.
As mentioned, Rule I personally like more so than Canonist, but that is just meta based. I personally removed Gonti from my list. It was fine, but then you end up targeting one or two people and it gets harder when you purposely piss someone off.
Alesha is certainly a versatile commander. Not alot of people see a D&T build with her so it makes for fun games. My main issue is when I'm ready to try and close out a game, I likely HAVE to combo to do it, which can be a problem if you use Buried Alive to throw something like Guide and Ark in to win.
March 19, 2017 2:45 p.m.
True, Talrand or ping cards will disrupt Hope, but I guess it really is just how you observe the board state, no? If there are a bunch of Fliers I wouldn't pick a weaker flier it would probably be something like Magus of the Tabernacle and force them to either sac or tap out to keep them all.
Restoration Specialist is another neat utility creature to return an artifact or enchantment.
Loyal Retainers may be something to consider as well
March 19, 2017 4:41 p.m.
True. Specialist was something I considered running. I just gotta figure out how I'm wanting to tune the deck further is all. Mostly I run out of gas quickly and can't typically end the game fast enough. I added in token generation, but its a matter of "What type of token generations do I want"
March 19, 2017 4:46 p.m.
March 19, 2017 5:20 p.m.
Retainers I'd personally avoid. At its best, it gets you Kiki-Jiki to combo off, or maybe a Thalia for not needing to reanimate, but you only have 5 legendaries total. Your call but I'd say no IMO
I'd stay away from the angel, but if you want a "skip combat" effect, Stonehorn Dignitary is better IMO. Reason being is because its 1 mana cheaper to cast, is an ETB instead of "deals damage" effect. The catch 22 is that he's not as 'powerful' (as in literal 'power', only having 1 vs 2) with no flying effect.
March 19, 2017 5:29 p.m.
Hm fair point; an ETB with the same effect is definitely more appealing.
CMC doesn't mean as much since I'd be playing either from the GY.
Retainers to me seems like a sweet reanimate for Alesha if I send her to the grave.
March 19, 2017 5:40 p.m.
I mean you could also effectively use Feldon of the Third Path to reanimate her, give her haste and then swing in. You can also do this at instant speed with something else in the graveyard you need, like Karmic Guide, bringing back Reveillark or bringing back another card you need. And Feldon does it for ANY creature in your grave, not just legends.
Using Diabolic Servitude can also save you one cast for her. The way people have told me is you let your commander go to the graveyard, then when they die again, exile it, and then exile to the command zone and Diabolic returns to hand.
March 19, 2017 5:46 p.m.
I'm surprised you run Altar of Dementia as a combo piece. I had to pull mine out, because my opponents would always have either; Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Kozilek, Butcher of Truth, or Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre in their decks making them impossible to be milled since the titans would just reshuffle their graveyards back into their decks.
I would advise running Goblin Bombardment since it will do infinite damage guaranteeing you a win. If the red mana is too harsh for a deck that runs Contamination then I'd suggest using Blasting Station which works just as well. Nice work on the Alesha deck by the way.
March 19, 2017 6:48 p.m.
StopShot thankfully Emmy is banned outside of Duel Commander :P but that is a valid point regarding the Eldrazi Shuffle. I may utilize goblin bombardment.
March 19, 2017 7:18 p.m.
I personally use both. And I mean if its casual, you can say: "I do this until your titan is the card you don't mill". Some people might just accept it, some might say you gotta play it out. Talk to your play group
March 19, 2017 7:56 p.m.
@foxboy93, I'm aware of this, but in tournaments the judges will ask you to play it out always, and the odds of such an event occurring from a 100-card deck is very slim that you won't see it played as the win-con. Yes, I know play groups are different then tournaments, but a lot of play groups will ask you to play it out like a judge would especially if they put the eldrazi titan in their deck specifically for that purpose of defeating mill, which most people I've met will say that's the reason why when its a clunky 10 or 11cmc spell that has zero-interactions with their own deck
In defense of Altar of Dementia it's great to use its mill-effect on yourself if you desperately need a combo-piece in your graveyard, but I don't see any other great uses. You could try to line it up with graveyard-hate, but that adds another piece to the combo and most graveyard-hate will ruin most sac-loops you'd create with your Altar of Dementia, but that's just my opinion on the matter.
March 19, 2017 8:08 p.m.
You are right, but nine times out of ten, you mill someone and they got nothing (at least here thats the case). Besides, as soon as you demonstrate the loop, usually no one can stop you IE, you do the combo in response for example.
As well, if you DO hit a titan, now you know you need to win with Bombardment, or an effect like Blood Artist, which is another way. The real issue is if the player has hexproof and you cant target them for example.
As an aside, I am trying to look for a combo that doesn't use the graveyard, mostly looking at Kiki and Felidar Guardian. Since I have Cathars' Crusade, I can swamp out my Anafenza to now just use Cathar in its place, freeing up a spot. Even just adding Kiki would possibly be a godsend
March 19, 2017 8:29 p.m.
With that in mind I may actually incorporate the wretch.
As for the Altar, milling is just a combo. Certainly, bombarding would be another outlet, but the deck also runs some other combos that wipe the board.
So far the wins this deck generally gains are from concedes because of the hateful prison Alesha establishes.
March 19, 2017 8:40 p.m.
@foxboy93, for Hexproof I'd recommend pairing with Impact Tremors or Zulaport Cutthroat. That aside I feel even if you're to go for the kill with a sac engine you should be running Goblin Bombardment and give a moderate consideration to Blasting Station since its still better to win ten times out of ten than nine times out of ten, but I'm incredibly picky so its just my perspective on the matter. I just don't like small loop-holes that ruin the combo you assembled.
I feel like a non-graveyard based combo is a really big question to answer. If your deck generates mana like no ones business I'd recommend Mana Echoes + Myr Matrix for the slow terrifying kill your opponents can't stop. Another cute one is Sword of Feast and Famine + Aggravated Assault and if you're really banking to have every hit connect I'd suggest putting in Key to the City, Darkest Hour, Break Through the Line, Nether Traitor, and Mogis's Marauder. If you want a combo that involves putting in even smaller spells you could try risking it to build Isochron Scepter + Final Fortune + Sundial of the Infinite in which Shred Memory would be a good friend of yours which tutors any of the pieces of this infinite turn combo. My personalized non-graveyard combo is Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Thornbite Staff and then take any creature and a Goblin Bombardment to sac the token copies infinitely.
March 19, 2017 8:52 p.m.
Honestly if I were going non GY, Kiki + Felidar Guardian would be my way to go.
March 19, 2017 10:19 p.m.
March 19, 2017 10:23 p.m.
Yeah Bell Ringer was originally in but ultimately taken out. Since I was never fully relying on the combo I didn't want to spend slots for its consistency. The deck itself has outperformed expectations in my meta.
March 19, 2017 10:31 p.m.
@StopShot: I mean if you know someone has hexproof things, you likely target them first if you have targeted removal. I play alot of artifact and enchantment removal, so I have no issues with that. My meta, not enough people run titans, cause it take up a spot in their deck. Besides, most of the more 'mill' combos are infinite mana and a Stroke of Genius, which means you are dying either way unless you can't draw more than one card (Spirit of the Labyrinth)
The reason I personally don't enjoy Basting Station is cause its a one time use. In my deck (linked above somewhere), I run Yahenni, Undying Partisan. It is a creature that can become indestructible if a board wipe happens. Things you can use more than once a turn is more valuable IMO. Even if you only use Altar on yourself, it means you are able to fuel yourself.
Agreed, Kiki and Felidar work good with ETB effects, even if you don't have the combo, its just a strong card in general, and both are able to be recurred with Alesha :)
March 19, 2017 10:33 p.m.
Hypnotic Specter is also in the running for an Alesha target. But I'm a softy for it as a card.
March 20, 2017 9:25 a.m.
Rotting Rats I think would be better. Again, the ETB thing is nice and Unearth gives you another way to get them in. Stronghold Rats is another card, since it will be guaranteed to hit. Sure its not "at random", but it also fuels yourself. I really like Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip. One really fun thing I did was sac Viscera Seer to itself, flip Lilly, then used her -X to return Seer. Or I mean you can do stuff like this at EOT, flip her and then hopefully use the +2 rather than the minus.
March 20, 2017 10:53 a.m.
Why discard one card at a time when you can make them discard three with Dauthi Mindripper?
March 20, 2017 2:12 p.m.
I can appreciate the idea of discarding more! And because it has shadow you're about as guaranteed to hit as if you had Horsemanship.
Ultimately, I went with Loyal Retainers for a couple of reasons. Being a legal target was a big factor, but the fact that it gives me another option to recur Alesha is huge. It saves me every time should someone destroy the general, assuming I can pull it off.
March 20, 2017 2:22 p.m.
I was thinking - this deck might have fun with Attrition. With a continuous stream of potential sacrifices, it can easily overpower any non-black player. I run it in virtually every one of my black decks.
March 20, 2017 2:28 p.m.
Daedalus19876 I love it! It's biggest hindrance in my meta is that half the table now runs Atraxa and Prossh, but it's definitely useful for the Numot and Daretti I'm up against!
March 20, 2017 2:31 p.m.
March 21, 2017 6:42 p.m.
Jahaha yeah and I'll typically tutor for those. It's why I run Leyline of the Void over Rest in Peace and actively avoid Necropotence. Powerful cards but they kill this deck's strategy.
I do want to go deep into card history and find any powerful or useful creature with power 2 or less that I'm not thinking of. Daedalus19876 you were on the right track with Attrition I am definitely going to test it.
So far the recent wins have shown me I can drop a basic and add another utility card. People get antsy when they see only 29 lands but I've had many instances of being flooded.
March 22, 2017 9:27 a.m.
Why Wooded Foothills, wouldnt it be more beneficial just to have another Mountain?
March 22, 2017 10:32 a.m.
March 22, 2017 10:42 a.m.
March 22, 2017 11:02 a.m.
I've never seen a deck whose color piechart lines up so perfectly...
wipes away tear
March 22, 2017 11:41 a.m.
A janky possibility I thought of was Deepcavern Imp for a discard effect on my upkeep, pitching a creature I could reanimate later? It's a free card, so I mean it can't hurt my wallet to test. But I've noticed there being some plays where I don't have as many reanimate targets, which is still fine since I can control the board until I do. Putrid Imp is also a possibility.
March 22, 2017 11:53 a.m.
Daedalus19876 Hahahaa I know right!? It made me so proud.
March 22, 2017 11:56 a.m.
I feel Putrid Imp would be better, cause it is an instant speed discard. Have you played around with Thought Gorger before? I personally considered him, but with my deck more "taxing" than reanimating, it might be bad. The catch 22 is if you need to "wheel" yourself, you certainly can do it when you got a sac outlet going on. if not then it can really hamper yourself though.
March 22, 2017 10:19 p.m.
Thought Gorger eh? This is the first I've seen of it but it looks great! Thanks for the recommendation!
March 23, 2017 8:53 a.m.
Playing this in my local meta has been a blast. So far it's been a world of problems for
March 24, 2017 9:25 a.m.
Daedalus19876 wasn't really trying to make this walker heavy, but what do you think of either Ajani Vengeant for the pseudo-Boros wrath I have going on, or Daretti, Scrap Savant for the draw/discard? Sorin, Grim Nemesis was another thought, for the weird reverse Bob effect.
Also, Nahiri has been great for this! I never ultimate so there's no specific wincon that way, but her Plus and Minus abilities are so useful in this deck and the latter especially for my meta.
March 24, 2017 11:01 a.m.
Ajani I have considered running. Reason being is cause at its worst, you keep a land tapped down. At its best, you keep the biggest thing or something with a strong tap ability (Ever do this on a Wellwisher? Feels good.). Issue I found is you likely won't use the minus, and the ult will really only deal with one person. Daretti I found to be last luster. Reason being, and this is just personal opinion, yes you will use him likely just for the first ability, but you don't have alot of synergy with any of the other cards. For my deck, I don't run alot of artifacts, so the likelihood of being able to Trash for Treasure something is slim to none, and slim is dead XD
Personally I plan to try and use Kaya, Ghost Assassin. She is currently in the mail to me, but I think she is pretty good :3
March 24, 2017 3:24 p.m.
Hahahaa fair points all around! Ajani was definitely higher on my list than Daretti, who I prefer in my Breya build. But really his draw/discard is really the only point I'd run him. Nahiri is definitely more useful in removal though.
Kaya eh? Very interesting choice. Resetting for only two life seems fair.
March 24, 2017 3:41 p.m.
March 24, 2017 5:26 p.m.
I'm in love with the fact that you actually have the Bomberman combo <3
March 25, 2017 12:30 a.m.
Deck is pretty far off from what my deck is so I don't have too much to offer since our goals are different. Best I have for you is to offer Alesha more protection so you can reanimate more, so Darksteel Plate/Whispersilk Cloak and the like.
You are running more sorceries than I am so Anarchist?
Just throwing stuff out there, good luck!
March 25, 2017 2:40 p.m.
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