Finally added a sideboard. Tossed in two copies of Increasing Savagery for games that tend to drag on, and two more Sever the Bloodline'' to counter decks that don't have many cheap spells (thinking big control here). Against control, I'd probably SB in 2x Sever and 2x Savagery in place of 3x Abrupt Decay and 1x Rancor .
Desecration Demon was included for a few matchups. It's again ideal against control, and would replace the Primordial Hydra s there; I love the Hydra, but control can take care of the Hydra too easily. The Demon, meanwhile, has better odds of getting a big swing off or at least taking out a couple chumps for me. The Demon is particularly nasty against midrange decks (particularly jund, that wants to rely on Bonfire of the Damned , which would have a harder time putting away a 6-toughness creature).
Crushing Vines is included to counter decks with heavy focus on fliers (especially if they're using something like Rakdos), but also to nuke artifacts. The big concern here is Grafdigger's Cage , which can flub up this deck's plan pretty significantly. Abrupt Decay hits those decks pretty hard, but the Vines certainly help. I also put another copy of Abrupt Decay into the SB for this same reason. Against something like Delver or a really aggro deck featuring fliers (so, nine times out of ten, Delver), I'd side in three Crushing Vines in place of 1x Increasing Savagery and 2x Sever the Bloodline . If I thought I needed it, I'd also throw in the fourth Abrupt Decay in place of a Rancor.
Finally, Deathrite Shaman is good against a couple of matchups. It hurts anything heavy on Snapcaster mages, which means it also targets Delver, it does well in matchups against other decks using the grave, it provides extra damage and extra life, and it's just a generally amazing multitool. If I want a little more consistency against decks that can pump out damage pretty fast, I'll probably swap this guy in for the Gravecrawlers (they're great, but not being able to block sucks).
I was confused why you're running Corpsejack Menace
then I saw Primordial Hydra and the 8 scavenge creatures.
I commend you.
If this was'nt Standard, I would have suggested Doubling Season , but Standard it is. Really nice idea though, I think this will win you a lot of games!
If you wanted, you could check out my decks too? +1 from me though! :D
@Long_Con: I originally considered going with some undying creatures, like you did, but I found the synergy between Scavenge and Undying was undesirable (or, rather, the lack of synergy was). Champion of Lambholt was a strong contender, but it got edged out by the Hydra (which can in this deck be played as a 3-drop with few problems).
@SquidMonk3y: I'll try and take a look
Are you thinking of adding any proliferation in there? Just wondering
I have definitely been considering the Hydra since realizing the potential with the Menace!
Only playtesting will tell... I also have a couple of other Golgari builds, with a hint of blue in them. Lotleth Gravebeats and Ruinator-Troll. Both of them employ Lotleth Troll in ways that I found don't synergize with Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord .
SquidMonk3y: Proliferate is entirely rotating out, unfortunately! OR else I'd be building an card:Azor's Elocutors deck reeeeeeal fast!! (Still might!)
I'm not a fan of Golgari Charm... Maybe some Murders instead?
I like golgari charm for its versatility; it can save all my creatures, nuke delvers (considered Tragic Slip for the same reason but passed), and destroy some of the harsher graveyard hate they've put in RtR
I'm loving the deck. Put Rancor in here to make your weak creatures a huge threat!
Maybe some alternate use of corpsejack? Creature with Undying gain counters, as do creature with the new Unleash mechanic. card:Geralf's Messenger dying and coming back as a 5/4 is pretty boss
Gravecrawler -2, Dreg Mangler +2, possibly? I run a similar deck, called Counters gonna Count, and I used to have Gravecrawler s in it, but I took them out because they were underperforming. Dreg Mangler works way better. I also took out Lotleth Troll , but I think it works okay for this deck.
The only other thing I would reccomend is Increasing Savagery , it works awesome in my deck and has won me many games. Good luck, and good job!
Necropolis Regent is pushing it for a two-colour deck, with that triple-black mana cost. He has more green mana producers than black, and no mana fixing at all, so the chance of NecRegent being a dead card in hand are too high.
Necropolis Regent is also way above this deck's curve, and as Long_Con pointed out, too black-intensive. It's actually meant to be played as a pretty fast aggro; what attracted me to the design is that Scavenge and Primordial Hydra give it legs for the long game that most aggro decks don't have access to.
Lotleth Troll is key in the deck. It has amazing synergy with Slitherhead, Grave Crawler, and (obviously, given the deck's theme) Corpsejack Menace.
I decided not to go with Undying creatures because of the anti-synergy with Scavenge and Lotleth Troll. Young Wolf was in an early version of the deck, but I find Gravecrawler outperforms it by far.
I am thinking of going 3-2 on Abrupt Decay/Sever the Bloodline. Bloodline, actually, is turning out to be a real trump card in playtesting. I considered Murder but the flashback on sever and the ability to nuke tokens is winning me over.
I'm a fan of any deck that can use Primordial Hydra effectively. +1
Problem with Veilborn Ghoul is that it kinda sucks without the Troll; I don't want to rely too much on drawing any one card in the deck.
You definitely want Desecration Demon. Nice removal on a 6/6 flyer for 4. Also, he'll get twice the counters.
If so (which I doubt but I'm not sure), then this deck is beyond scary.
It would. Entering the battlefield "with" the counters counts as "placing" counters on it.
A fun turn 5 after casting Corpsejack is Casting the Hydra for 3GG and getting a 6/6 creature out of the bargain.
Really awesome way of using B/G. Hunger of the Howlpack seems like it would be extremely powerful in this deck. Champion of Lambholt or Wild Beastmaster are options, but your line-up seems pretty solid as it is now.
If you want to abuse Corpsejack, why not Predator Ooze ? The interaction with the Tracker is amazing.
Another one could be the miracle, Blessings of Nature .
Predator Ooze is good, but the 3G mana-cost is rough in a deck that's so evenly split in color
I considered Blessings of Nature, but ultimately decided that I needed it less than Increasing Savagery ; when I want to put more counters on my creatures, scavenge works fantastically, as well (which is why there's only the one Savagery in the basic deck set-up).
Hunger of the Howlpack was nice but I couldn't justify dropping anything for it; I find Rancor , in general, is much more reliable and gets the damage out sooner (yes, Hunger has great synergy with Corpsejack, but I don't want the deck to be good half the time and only great when Corpsejack shows up).
Champion of Lambholt was actually another really strong contender, and in the end it was a competition between it and Dreg Mangler . The Mangler won out for its haste and its long-term viability with scavenge.
As far as Champion of Lambholt goes, I'd say it is way better than Dreg Mangler... in the end, you have a 3/3 with haste, or you just swing in and win with the champion.
@dorksied: Don't forget that the Mangler has Scavenge, which is huge. Think of each Mangler as having a mini-Increasing Savagery stapled to them. The Champion feels like it's slower than this deck wants.
@MattGgator: The rings are cool, but unless I'm vastly underestimating them they're probably too slow for standard.
Love the deck, +1
Just curious, what is your record with the deck so far, or how have you done in actual games?
I don't yet own a physical copy of the deck. I'm saving up to purchase the components and then I'll try it out at the local card shop. Testing it online against other decks on tappedout, it performs very well.
Blessings of nature would be cool here and Cryptborn Horror synergy witg corpsejack is ridiculous your opponent will take damage and lose life here also Jarad, Gilgari lich could be a game ender.
+1 from me.
I think Necropolis Regent gives you a better late game than the Desecration Demon you have. :)
In this deck Necropolis Regent would, I fear, only be win-more. The deck has enough win-cons as-is.
after reading this, I am going to order me some Primordial Hydras and Increasing Savagery for my own Corpsejack deck. :)
Also Rancor is one of my faves as well. Boy my card order is gonna ramp up $$$ fast.
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