- 3x Blood Crypt
- 4x Clifftop Retreat
- 3x Dragonskull Summit
- 4x Godless Shrine
- 4x Isolated Chapel
- 4x Sacred Foundry
- 1x Vault of the Archangel
- 4x Blood Artist
- 2x Cartel Aristocrat
- 4x Doomed Traveler
- 2x Olivia Voldaren
- 3x Skirsdag High Priest
- 2x Tajic, Blade of the Legion
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad try him, super good in this deck.
March 14, 2013 3:17 a.m.
I had him in the deck for a while. I removed him because I only played him for the token ability. I prefer the Assemble the Legion more because its consistent pressure with haste that is great with my sac engines plus it overwhelms control players. thanks for the suggestion but I've put him in and taken him out like 4 times! lol
March 14, 2013 3:47 a.m.
if your going control why not toss in Descent into Madness as long as you play it before Assemble the Legion you will still be gaining tokens. (assuming this is not an option you have thought about since you do have black)
March 14, 2013 10:13 p.m.
play decent after assemble* sorry about the double post i'm unsure how to edit my comment once posted :|
March 14, 2013 10:15 p.m.
Lol if they weren't both so high in cmc that would be so fun lol
March 15, 2013 2:39 a.m.
March 17, 2013 12:03 p.m.
for examples of it check deck: swing-at-the-stake-help-wanted
March 17, 2013 12:08 p.m.
I'm interested in the killing wave and burn at the stake. .. we'll see
March 17, 2013 12:09 p.m.
I would say take your land count up to 24-25 just because you HAVE to hit those land drops, as I'm sure you know, and I would drop Beckon Apparition, and that is just my personal opinion, because for some reason it just never really did it for me, I fell you would be better off doing something like -2 Beckon, -1 or 2 Chandra, strictly because I don't see her being incredibly game changing, I know you can double a spell, but if you need it that bad, there are better options, and her +(plus) ability is almost useless in standard what with all the Thraggy and Sphinx's Rev runnin around, -1 B-Act because it may actually end up HURTING you with how big Boros Reckoner is, it would become almost a dead draw because it may kill you, then I would get maybe a 1 of Mutilate to replace the board wipe = win factor for Blood Artist, then get more black sources, your mana is all fucked in my opinion, not nearly enough black sources, also try 2 of Obzedat because he is that good xD, then more things in the removal category, because you need to have that safety net of "oh shit I don't want to swing into that, BLAM headin to the graveyard bitch!" So yeah, that is my advice and I truly hope it helps!
March 18, 2013 8:20 a.m.
I'm on the fence about Beckon Apparition. I see the value of having flying tokens, but at the same time I'd rather have Cremate who turns itself into a card in hand. I used Vile Rebirth a little bit in the summer, and it did alright though. I even found myself flashing it back with Snapcaster Mage once or twice. So like I say, something to think about.
March 18, 2013 11:31 a.m.
I think beckon apparition is one of the most solid cards in the deck. Amazing against cards like deathrite shaman and snapcaster which both see fair play, and reanimator decks and flashback components suffer to the fact that i get to burn their graveyard target and get a dude for one mana that gets benefits from sorins token and intangible virtue
I really considered cremate but the hard fact is that my deck synergies revolve around token generation
March 18, 2013 11:38 a.m.
Yeah, this is why I'm on the fence. My only thought was draw a card or make a token, with the number of cards you have that make tokens it COULD be a similar effect, for more mana. If you're finding it works well than right on.
March 18, 2013 11:43 a.m.
Hmm I kind of want to do some testing with Aurelia, the Warleader
March 18, 2013 11:45 a.m.
Yea Bloodline also works well with Mentor of the Meek as does sorin
March 18, 2013 11:46 a.m.
Yea i had a big personal debate on that jminute, it really came down to most games i need more board presence instead of card advantage because of how aggressive the format is right now.
Drbannon yes i did and removed it, effective unit terribly slow
March 18, 2013 11:48 a.m.
Sign in blood gives card advantage and can kill my opponent especially with an extort trigger which one done with success, and I was referring to bloodline keeper being slow
March 18, 2013 11:57 a.m.
Sign in Blood is black card advantage at it's best. If you need to finish your opponent off with it you can. If you need two cards you can probably afford two life, since this is a control deck. Bloodline Keeper Flip is great, and he is running a few vampires to make it more viable, but probably the most expendable card to put in for it would be Chandra, the Firebrand since it sits on the same spot on the curve and has a similar impact if she's dropped turn four. But Chandra has more utility, whereas the Keeper is a token generator, and potential endgame. It just has to wait a turn to do anything that isn't attract removal.
March 18, 2013 11:57 a.m.
Well how bout some thoughts on my deck? Blood isn't always red
March 18, 2013 12:03 p.m.
That was my problem with her was waiting a turn to use it which is why i removed krenko and goblin token generation from my deck. 4 cost unit that is vanilla until next turn didn't impact the board state enough for me. At the 4 cost spot I prefer hellrider over all because it's beast with tokens but it suffers to board wipe and spot removal whereas chandra can recover me from a board wipe by making lingering or haunting pop me off 4 tokens
March 18, 2013 12:06 p.m.
This is rad. I'm running the same deck theme, but I've seen almost nobody else with it. We both independently came up with really similar numbers on a lot of cards, take a look: So I Heard You Like Tokens.
I've been running variants of the deck all year (I just added the green splash for thraggies, deathrite, ground seal, and collective blessing). If you're interested, here's some things I've noticed (I've tried pretty much every card in your deck in my deck at one point):
- Slaughter Games is way better in the sideboard than Nevermore. One of the primary uses for denying a card is denying Sphinx's Revelation. However, any deck running Sphinx's Revelation is also running Cyclonic Rift, which will make your Nevermore look awful dumb. Additionally, it doesn't shut down Angel of Glory's Rise combos as well, since they can still be Unburial Ritesed from the graveyard.
- Stab Wound is a little jank. With all of the bounce in the format, you run a huge risk of it falling off. Maybe Pacifism for a similar effect? I can't imagine that it stinks around long enough for the life loss to do you that much good. I might be wrong though.
- Chandra, the Firebrand does literally nothing. I thought she'd be good, but she was never what I wanted to play. Think about it. The best case scenario is that the next turn after you play her (since you probably tap out for her), you copy a token generator spell. That's a four mana, one card, and two turn investment. Why not just play another token generator that costs less than four mana?
- I found Vampire Nighthawk a little too slow. Also I found that since there are few kill spell targets in a token deck, Vampire Nighthawk dies pretty fast, being the sole value target. How has he been working out for you?
- Consider Faithless Looting over Sign in Blood. Sign only gets you one extra card (since you have to play Sign in Blood), and it costs 2 restrictive mana. Faithless Looting, however, filters very well, costs less, and can easily dump flashback cards into the yard. It also gives you a flashback for late game when you're drawing badly.
- Lastly, is Blind Obedience working for ya? My deck might be a little faster, but it always seemed too slow for me. My spirits never cared if their creatures were tapped or not since they have flying, and it just took up a turn where I could be playing Gather the Townsfolk.
Maybe some of that helps. Super curious what your take on it all is!
March 21, 2013 6:57 p.m.
Slaughter games was a great suggestion so I changed that immediately.
Stab wounds amazing and no one sees it coming, my deck is pretty grindy so it helps me kill my opponent when i can stab their reckoner or augur or centaur and i take less damage each turn, plus it forces the bounce out of their hand which I'm good with too.
Chandra was a test pilot, she crashed so hellrider back in. Crowd goes wild.
Nighthawk is amazing in here. Another flyer lifelink and 3 toughness shuts down agro. Bonus points for this unit because when i cast rally the peasants I gain more life. #winning
Faithless looting is awesome, my problem with that card is drawing into it when I'm topdecking nets me 0 cards. I actually cut sign in blood to try firemane avenger last night with great success.
2 things about blind obedience. 1 it's a grindy win condition in and of itself. 2, it slows agro down, and when I'm swinging in with fliers I no longer fear flash blocks like restoration angel. Blood artist works well here too. Cast lingering, extort, use tokens to chump block. Opponent loses 3 I gain 3 for 4 mana essentially.
Thanks for the dialogue and suggestions,!
March 22, 2013 11:42 a.m.
This deck blows me away at how fun it is to play, chopped 48 packs tonight at FNM with top 4 players the description is above on the match's, check it out!
MVP card: Rally the Peasants
March 23, 2013 6:53 a.m.
March 23, 2013 12:31 p.m.
Rally is super disgusting, and slaughter games does work, I concur.
March 24, 2013 5:10 a.m.
This just looks like it's so much fun to play. Awesome
March 24, 2013 3:03 p.m.
March 26, 2013 7:58 p.m.
I definitely see where you're coming from with Bonfire of the Damned and Stab Wound in the SB. However, I would strongly recommend adding Slaughter Games and either Rest in Peace or Grafdigger's Cage . Slaughter Games is just too good not to have if you have the colors for it and you need more general graveyard hate than just Beckon Apparition (though that's definitely a good card. Might also consider Pithing Needle for the SB. Take a look at my deck if you have a minute, colors are similar so you might be able to get some SB ideas from it: Extortionists with Sniper Rifles. +1
March 27, 2013 3:52 p.m.
Why not Burn at the Stake its another Win condition and worlds better for you than Assemble the legion. You set this up like you arent after a quick win.
March 29, 2013 2:32 a.m.
I'm not after a quick win, and with as much mill and control as there is in this format, Assemble the Legion
has won me a ton of games. Burn at the Stake
is alright, but its sorcery speed, if I don't have Intangible Virtue
out then its just an okay card because I can't attack then cast it, and with as much board wipe as there is my aim is to not flood the board, but to grind away at a solid pace. I have tested the deck with Burn at the Stake
and its too situational, also 3 red is a brutal casting cost if I don't hit the right mana.
I also look at this, let's say I have 3 spirits on the board, all vanilla 1/1's (can't rely on hitting Intangible Virtue
every game). I cast Burn at the Stake
opponent takes 9. Or my personal favorite win condition, the same 3 tokens, declare attacks overhead for 3, after blocks are declared which most don't have any to declare, I cast Rally the Peasants
and flash it back at instant speed. 15damage vs 9 for almost the same casting cost, and not nearly as dependant on hitting 3 red sources of mana.
March 29, 2013 2:44 a.m.
March 30, 2013 8:50 a.m.
April 2, 2013 8:36 p.m.
I love both of them just not in this deck. Both require work to benefit from intangible virtue and they're slow. Skirsdag was in and out a few times just too slow and requires hope that my creatures don't get killed first
April 3, 2013 6:42 a.m.
4x Intangible Virtue is too many. It doesn't combo with your 12 creatures, and getting more than one has diminishing value. I'd consider cutting one or two and thinking about what else you could put in that slot.
Maybe some instant-speed creature removal?
April 4, 2013 5:27 p.m.
I have a concern about keeping pace with aggro, specifically like Naya Human Blitz decks that can throw out 10+ damage turn 3 if they combo right, and turn 3 if you have the draw your field is empty besides maybe a Blood Artist. I do see that Blind Obedience helps with that, but as a 2 of its not going to come up every match. I was just wondering how well the deck holds up to aggro decks like that.
April 4, 2013 6:11 p.m.
4x intangible virtue is something i absolutely won't change. It is so vital to the deck it's not even funny. I don't care if my other creatures don't benefit from it because the lifegain on sorins tokens and vigilance flyers are boss.
I have to play against a lot of aggro at my local shop and I've only lost to it once. Don't get me wrong it's tough but the 3/3 creatures shuts down aggro, the lifegain is relevant and I usually stabilize with blood artist / blasphemous act combos. In the top 8 run down up top my match 2 was against a good naya blitz player, he had me to 3 life on turn 4 so yea it's rough but i manage
April 4, 2013 7:46 p.m.
April 6, 2013 4:09 p.m.
Played it at tonight's FNM. Did really well but ran into some problems against a new deck I wasn't expecting to play against which had some really big hitters and combo's. Blasphemous Act / Boros Reckoner / Falkenrath Aristocrat / Cartel Aristocrat / Skirsdag High Priest / Lingering Souls / Doomed Traveler / Blood Artist / Olivia Voldaren
Quite a few of the things I run in my deck are similar so it was directly countering me, but at the same time I wasn't drawing into the removal I needed to get rid of the high-priests and couldn't stop the slew of 5/5 demon's coming into play from his sac engines. Both games were up hill battles for me and I need to figure out something to combat this deck, considering I seen 3 other people playing it tonight so it seems like its gaining popularity.
April 20, 2013 6:14 a.m.
I went up against this deck last week and won, I made a list similar to yours too with some minor changes. I run 2 Angel of Serenity and Oblivion Ring s 1 main and 1 side and they helped out a ton, especially the angels. Also rakdos return hits that deck pretty hard too. I actually went 4-1-0 with the deck last night, the draw was intentional to split 1st and 2nd prizes.
April 20, 2013 10:54 a.m.
The 2 Angel of Serenity s are in the sideboard too, i forgot to put that
April 20, 2013 11:02 a.m.
hmm, interesting thought. I may sideboard up some of these and take out some of my elements against control decks considering I don't have a hard time playing against control..
I added 2 Olivia Voldaren after tonights tournament, because the Hellrider was a card I found myself sideboarding out a lot because it's very aggressive and doesn't play 100% well into my deck, I am thinking that the ping ability of olivia will not only allow me to rid myself of pesky things like Blood Artist / Skirsdag High Priest etc, but it will also allow me to steal things if I'm playing against reanimator decks or if the game goes too long.
Angel of Serenity is a good suggestion, I wonder what else would be good. I don't really want to run oblivion rings but I may end up having to put them back into my board.
April 20, 2013 4:13 p.m.
Olivia Voldaren isnt a bad choice either, ya I have been taking out Hellrider alot too but mostly for slowing down the deck for when its not the smartest idea to throw tokens around all willy nilly. The only reason I ended up putting Oblivion Ring in was to deal with enchantments, like Sphere of Safety and opposing Assemble the Legion s which is never fun to race against. But, I really dig your line of thought with the Olivia's she is pretty tough to bring down once she has some counters and you can take a Falkenrath Aristocrat the turn after you play Olivia haha.
April 20, 2013 5:20 p.m.
Damn, I just thought of some next level shit lol.
Turn 2 Nearheath Pilgrim
Turn 4 Olivia Voldaren
Turn 5 declare attack step, 4-5 mana depending if you hit the 5th or not you can activate first strike if you have to so reckoner doesn't die, and he will gain you 3 life, before damage resolves you can ping the reckoner 1-2 times with olivia to grow her and redirect the damage from the reckoner to opponent creatures and/or the player for more lifegain. Beast. Mode.
Olivia's ability states that it only targets other creatures, and it seems pretty badass to be able to hit the opponent with that damage and with potential lifelink. Reckoner states that "whenever damage is done to Boros Reckoner ~IT~ deals that much damage to target creature or player.
April 21, 2013 1:57 a.m.
Hey, first of all, I think this is a great deck! and +1! So i decided to play it on MTGO, but I have been doing horribly. ANy tips? Am I playing the deck wrong? Why is such a strong looking deck, frankly, well, sucking?
April 21, 2013 1:03 p.m.
What are you playing against and this deck requires a good amount of decision making against the colors your opponent is playing. This last fnm was the first in 5 tournaments i didn't top 8 with it and still came very close
April 21, 2013 2:14 p.m.
I played a restoration angel/thragtusk combo, a black/red/green deck that ran the guy that flips (blanking out on his name, he is like a werewolf or something), and I played a copy of this deck except without the token aspect, so vampires and such. What am I doing wrong because I am trying to make smart decisions in game?
April 21, 2013 4:39 p.m.
I finally got a win playing against mono green transformers.
April 21, 2013 6:35 p.m.
Lol thanks, I love this deck so much I'm foiling it out
April 23, 2013 6:46 p.m.
Made a very similar deck just last week (Lingering Nightmare), then I stumbled across your build. +1 for sure -will be following your updates to help improve my list.
Any play tips would be much appreciated!
April 29, 2013 4:13 p.m.
Thanks Taytora, it's definitely fun to play. I've been working and improving this one for a month now.
The biggest suggestions i would have for you is don't over extend because it's very easy to do that here with tokens.
The other thing directly for your deck is to get rid of boros charm and replace it with blood artist. Indestructible with the charm is cool but the blood artist will punish board wipe like nothing else and when you're playing aggro you can chump and double block with your tokens until you stabilize and they run out of steam. I have won games against aggro simply because of 15+ blood artist triggers.
second thing is, reevaluate if hellrider works for you. I used to run it and loved it until i find myself boarding it out every match. It encouraged me to over extend and was too aggressive. I found olivia to be a more stable 4 drop because she has evasion, removal, control and ultimately must be dealt with. I am also considering tajic because he is difficult to remove as well.
April 30, 2013 12:43 p.m.
That makes sense. I know it's situational, but how many tokens do you roughly aim to have on the field at 1 time?
Yes, the Blood Artist
is in deck, just hadn't updated it to reflect that yet. Thanks
I'm sure I may end up in the same boat as you, but I'm going to start with Hellrider
to see how he works, mainly because I already own him and have no Olivia Voldaren
. thoughts on Falkenrath Aristocrat
? I do have a few of her.
April 30, 2013 3:20 p.m.
Tragic slip requires an activation which is why i sideboard it, dreadbore is much more reliable so no i never main boarded it.
Aristocrat is great but i didn't want to use it because olivia offers way more utility.
I usually aim to have 2-4 tokens on the field at once
April 30, 2013 4:30 p.m.
Have you considered Frontline Medic ? I hear Indestructible Tokens win games! Also I would drop a copy of Altar's Reap for another Rally the Peasants and I would drop Searing Spear for Boros Charm . I hear Boros Reckoner is also good.
May 11, 2013 5:22 p.m.
Just removed 4 reckoners, didn't like it in the deck.
Boros Charm doesn't activate morbid.
Appreciate the suggestions though!
May 11, 2013 6:40 p.m.
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