Well, I like the deck, although if you are running rakdos there is no reason to not have Unlicensed Disintegration , Magma Spray , or others plus maybe a skysovreign if you are looking to really utilize that second ability on disintegration. I also see that you split the lands when you do not need to, looks like 5 mountains and 11 swamps would be a good include. I like the deck do not get me wrong, but I also think it could use more.
May 5, 2017 6:38 p.m.
So Mindwrack Demon doesn't really make sense in a deck list that has no means of easily activating Delirium. You don't run Evolving Wilds, Lili's are the only ways to really get stuff in your graveyard and only the bigger lili wants to actually do that. Smaller lili will be busy killing creatures or going up to emblem. Killing yourself with 4 damage per upkeep doesn't sound like a good plan. How do you plan on getting your gearhulks into the graveyard? You have no discard effects. You're depending on the -2 of the small lili mill yourself?
If you want a discard outlet / card draw, so you can more easily set up delirium, use something like Tormenting Voice. At least that way that useless 6 drop gearhulk in your hand can be put into the graveyard while you gain cards you can use.
I'm also not sure how effective having 4x gearhulk is. It doesn't have flash like the blue one. Meaning you have to cast it on your own turn to kill a single creature. Not great and not the kind of card I want to have a high chance to draw when my deck is already full of removal for creatures. If you're running the black gearhulk just as a means to activate delirium for the Demon, I would argue that's a lousy choice.
Your mana base is also wrong. See what thegaming posted above.
May 8, 2017 10:15 a.m.
Noctem while I appreciate your criticism, it's not very constructive lol... Your arguments are either entirely absent, or completely wrong. Mindwrack Demon mills 4 on entry, setting up delerium himself. Supported by Liliana, the Last Hope, who IS used for more than just "killing creatures and going up to emblem." So Noxious Gearhulk gets put into the graveyard by Mindwrack or Lily's.
I don't run Evolving Wilds because it slows down the manabase for no reason in a 2C deck. Tormenting Voice was considered, but it is a -1. It doesn't draw you any card advantage and why in the hell would I ever want to cast that garbage on my turn? Succumb to Temptation is important because it draws you a card at instant speed. They end the turn and you have 1 card in hand? You cast it and go into your next turn with 3. We're focusing on controlling the game and therefore card advantage is very important.
Noxious Gearhulk is very castable at 6 mana... Keep in mind the board is getting cleared up all game with your removal. Should you be able to pull him out of the graveyard later on with Lily... all the better. But ultimately Mindwrack Demon is the focus because he does break the current meta. Noxious Gearhulk also does a lot more than act as an artifact creature for Mindwrack Demon... He's a removal spell that gains you life, allowing you to stabilize. If he sticks, he's a 5 power body with evasion.
You would give up instant speed on Succumb to Temptation because Live Fast is "easier to cast?" In a 2 color deck... the dominant color being black? lol... Right then and there I realized you probably have limited experience playing competitive magic.
I am also very glad you brought up thegaming, as your only constructive suggestion/argument that made sense was actually from him. "Your mana base is also wrong." Oh you mean the ONLY thing I asked for help with? Lmao.
Kudos sir, on contributing absolutely nothing.
May 8, 2017 1:45 p.m.
thegaming thank you very much for your suggestions. I honestly totally forgot about Unlicensed Disintegration and Noxious Gearhulk being an artifact. Magma Spray is in the deck and more copies might be found in the SB as I flesh it out. Skysovereign, Consul Flagship is something I would have never considered. It's now defintiely on my mind -- especially if I go with Unlicensed Disintegration.
The manabase suggestion is great. I am going to move to that way right away.
May 8, 2017 1:51 p.m.
Well hopefully you fix your mana base and eventually realize that running a bad gearhulk just to enable delirium for a creature that will kill you otherwise is not a good design plan. Gl hf.
May 8, 2017 2:41 p.m.
Yeah man, its not a bad deck at all. Personally, I think any control deck not running blue is bad... thats just me people have proven me wrong in the past for sure. Keeping it R/B is good though, because of the removal. I don't think you need skysovreign to be honest, and the gearhulk isnt bad. But mindwrack demon is... I know its possible to play it and not lose life, but if you are playing mindrack you definitely want to be able to cast it consistently turn 4 and not kill yourself. So, imo, maybe add green and make it a more Delerium shell.
May 8, 2017 7:26 p.m.
I like the idea you have with this deck. Personally, if I am running control, I try to have 26 - 27 lands to help me make sure I am making my land drops every turn. maybe cut one or both To the Slaughter for 2 more lands ( It would be fine in the sideboard. I would also consider taking out the Sweltering Sands in favor of Never / Return. Sweltering Sands is probably better out of the sideboard unless you expect to face a good bit of aggro.
May 10, 2017 7 p.m.
Sweet deck, I have been running a similar list with more discard and more of a reanimation theme. I really like your removal sweet though. I think the sac choices (To the Slaughter, and Oath of Liliana) are so important to fight an Aetherworks Marveled Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger or gods running around. Your deck looks slightly weak to control in Game 1, maybe some hand disruption could help that matchup. I main deck Collective Brutality to get its versatile abilities, and boost graveyard synergies.
May 15, 2017 1:46 p.m.
ok, so the deck is really cool, I've been trying similar decks, I only really have a few gripes with this list.. For one, six copies of Liliana Planeswalkers might be a bit too heavy since they could potentially just sit dead in your hand, maybe add some of the Ob Nixilis Reignited into the mainboard in place of some of those.. also, I think that the Mindwrack Demon may be unneccesary, you could just run a few more targets for Goblin Dark Dwellers and also, Yahenni's Expertise is a card that I've been looking at recently for the Zombies matchup, maybe have some of those in your list, they could also help you cast some cards for free that you can later recur with your Dwellers. Overall a really interesting list, looks like a lot of fun to me!
May 18, 2017 4:39 p.m.
if you're trying to make it GP competitive, consider "killing your darlings" and taking out Demon. It doesn't break the meta just because it blocks HoK, and it is certainly at odds with what your deck is trying to do minus some very minor recursion synergies. Glorybringer is a better Gideon killer, and more planeswalkers are likely key for a midrange/"controlly" deck to close out a game.
Similarly, running 6x of a legendary permanent seems like asking for dead draws. I'd swap some Lilianas--one small one large, or both large--for Nahiri, the Harbinger or Chandra, Torch of Defiance, and an Ob Nixilis Reignited or Sorin, Grim Nemesis is a good place to start for card advantage.
Feel free to ask me to expound upon any suggestion, but /don't/ tell me I clearly don't play competitive magic pls and ty. 9_9
June 4, 2017 12:03 a.m.
I know it isn't that great because it cost so much, but have you considered Void Winnower at all? If it sticks you straight-up win the marvel matchup.
June 4, 2017 12:28 a.m.
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|Date added||6 months|
|Last updated||5 months|
This deck is Standard legal.
|Tokens||Liliana, 2/2 Zombie, 1/1 Human Cleric|
|Folders||standard ideas, Other Decks I've Seen, Cool Decks|
|Top rank||#53 on 2017-05-12|