comments plz - Sublime Trample

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tmurdock Score: 5


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My standard GW deck that I've been playing and tweaking since AVR came out... focused on swords and double-strike.

Now I'm wanting to make use of Sublime Archangel + Rancor for P/T boosts plus a way of making sure to connect.

To avoid getting blown out in combat, I'm favouring hexproof creatures.

To get the most out of the archangel, I need things like Blade Splicer to pump out several bodies.

The problem is what to cut to make this the most synergistic.

tmurdock says... #1

My standard GW deck that I've been playing and tweaking since AVR came out... focused on swords and double-strike.

Now I'm wanting to make use of Sublime Archangel + Rancor for P/T boosts plus a way of making sure to connect.

To avoid getting blown out in combat, I'm favouring hexproof creatures.

To get the most out of the archangel, I need things like Blade Splicer to pump out several bodies.

The problem is what to cut to make this the most synergistic.

July 30, 2012 2:44 p.m.

senhor114 says... #2

I think that you are trying to do too much and need to narrow down your creature base. You dont need Borderland Ranger or card:Green Sun's Zenith since you have 4 sets of creatures are white. Thrun, the Last Troll is a sideboard card along with Acidic Slime and Wolfir Silverheart . Viridian Emissary isn't needed as well. Check out my similar deck, [gw-sublime-beatdown-comments-please]] and leave your thoughts.

July 30, 2012 4:38 p.m.

ajs72691 says... #3

For an aggro deck, your mana curve frightens me, and it also hurts that you're at 64 cards in your mainboard.

You don't have enough ramp to utilize GSZ enough, so either pick up more (and better) ramp or drop it. You don't have enough creatures of any given type for Cavern to really be worth it, either. I agree with the above poster than Thrun, Acidic, and Wolfir are sideboard (and Wolfir is iffy even there).

I'd cut Borderland Ranger, too. He's just..bad ramp. I see what you're going for with Restoration Angel, but that's not cutting it. I'd up Strangleroot Geist to 4, he's just too good not to, and I'd venture to even toss in 4 Young Wolf, since the Angel can blink -1/-1 counters off of them and the Wolf is a good one drop. I'd sideboard the Thragtusk and give yourself another Sublime Archangel, and drop Sigarda entirely. She's nice, but...you're aggro. I'd like to see 4cc be the top of your curve. Increase your Silverblade Paladin count, too, and I'd look for slots to fill Lambholt Elder with, since she's a house too. The O-Rings don't belong too well here, since this is aggro after all. If you want cheap removal, look at Prey Upon in the sideboard?

I think you could have more Viridian Emissary's, since you could get a -lot- of value out of them with the various soul bond's running around and they ramp for you.

July 30, 2012 5:12 p.m.

tmurdock says... #4

I've had very good results with Thrun, the Last Troll main board and I think he is more important than ever with Rancor and with the exalted. Similar logic for Sigarda, Host of Herons .

I haven't run more than a single Borderland Ranger previously but I'm worried about all the 4-drops now with the Sublime Archangel .

I used to run 4xStrangleroot Geist to be more aggro and they are awesome but this is still 4 slots too many and I think with Sublime Archangel the idea is to be a little more mid-range assemble the voltron a little than it is to go aggro.

Maybe I'm thinking about it wrong and should go back to being a little more aggro/beatdown and just think of the angel as an alternate win condition.

July 30, 2012 6:27 p.m.

Long_Con says... #5

I thought that the 'Blade' in deck titles usually referred to a powerful piece of equipment like Sword of Feast and Famine .

July 31, 2012 7:35 a.m.

tmurdock says... #6

Indeed, this is a modification to a deck that WAS running 3x Sword of War and Peace and 2x Sword of Feast and Famine but trying to make room for the Sublime Archangel made me want Rancor more so I'm thinking the swords are now in the sideboard and only brought in if the protection colours are relevant?

I'm also down to 4 mana dorks from 6-8 and the swords are so much better when cast on turn 2.

July 31, 2012 12:19 p.m.

MonkeyMind says... #7

I know that Rancor is awesome with exalted, so maybe just splash green for that one card (Evolving Wilds , Woodland Cemetery , Sunpetal Grove )?

The only exalted part in this deck...is actually the Sublime Archangel :p...Why not make it a black and white deck (the only two colours with exalted in this set)?

Angelic Benediction

Aven Squire

Cathedral of War

Duty-Bound Dead

Guardians of Akrasa

Knight of Glory

Knight of Infamy

Nefarox, Overlord of Grixis

Servant of Nefarox

Sublime Archangel

If this is the way you want to go, include Tormented Soul ...

you can also think about either black or white (probably white), together with blue (mainly because of Invisible Stalker and Latch Seeker ...but blue has other ways to make stuff unblockable)

August 1, 2012 12:01 p.m.

MonkeyMind says... #8

Yes...I made up my mind ;p...you'll have to run white and black, no green (not even splash it for Rancor ), but go for unblockable+exalted instead of trample+exalted...you'll have to run 4x Tormented Soul and 4x Spirit Mantle to make this work...Go for it ;p

August 1, 2012 12:29 p.m.

tmurdock says... #9

naw, I don't want to go so all in on exalted... this is a mid-range / aggro deck that has the Sublime Archangel as a win-condition by virtue of it buffing something with a Rancor on it... it's almost like a combo win-con in a fairly beatdown shell

the full fledged exalted deck is something that I wouldn't really want to do outside of draft or sealed (where I love it)

August 1, 2012 12:31 p.m.

MonkeyMind says... #10

I don't know tmurdock...this deck I just threw together looks pretty sexy to me ;p deck:exalted-deck-01-08-12-1

August 1, 2012 1:01 p.m.

deedeedee401 says... #11

you should add in flicker as a mechanic in order to gen creatures quickly and abuse both Thragtusk and Blade Splicer . streamline the deck some more by adding in more copies of Thragtusk or Wolfir Silverheart

August 1, 2012 2:58 p.m.

senhor114 says... #12

Looking similar to mine Mr. lol I like

August 1, 2012 3:39 p.m.

tmurdock says... #13

Just laid it out in real life and that made me want Wolfir Avenger to make the curve really aggressive pre-sideboard. Too out the gsz toolkit and moved that to the SB

August 1, 2012 4:40 p.m.

tcruz66 says... #14

I like your spin on the green white aggro. IMO, you're relying too much on your swords to keep you afloat long enough to see your side establish a dominant position. I have a similar concept if you want to check it out. deck:white-green-mid-flicker. +1 from me.

August 1, 2012 6:47 p.m.

tcruz66 says... #15

IDK if you're aware, but you have 61 cards in your setup.

August 1, 2012 6:47 p.m.

tmurdock says... #16

Thanks tcruz, I had decided to ditch the card:Green Sun's Zenith toolkit for all the great 5-drops that go with Restoration Angel and keep that in the sideboard instead but one of the GSZ stuck around for some reason. It's back to 60.

August 1, 2012 7:06 p.m.

deedeedee401 says... #17

you should trade in wolfir for thragtusk, that card plays pretty damn well

August 1, 2012 7:33 p.m.

tmurdock says... #18

deedee it's in the sideboard

August 1, 2012 8:21 p.m.

deedeedee401 says... #19

sideboards are fifteen cards, you gotta cut some off and streamline it some :p

less one offs, more multiples

August 1, 2012 9:14 p.m.

charsula says... #20

Why not run Wandering Wolf or Howlgeist for the unblockable and not worry about rancor?

August 2, 2012 11:10 a.m.

tmurdock says... #21

Because this is standard, not draft. Wolf is too fragile and geist is too expensive and still rather fragile. Tempting actually, but no.

August 2, 2012 2:30 p.m.

tmurdock says... #22

Because this is standard, not draft. Wolf is too fragile and geist is too expensive and still rather fragile. Tempting actually, but no.

August 2, 2012 2:30 p.m.

Inces_Velus says... #23

Ever thought of the use of Gather the Townsfolk as it is a 2 drop 2 body card and if u hit the fateful hour....2 drop 5 bodies is INCREDIBLE

Also, try the use of card:Captain's Call is nice for a turn 4 or 4 drop card...3 bodies is again nothing to sneeze at...and if you want, Midnight Haunting can be used...as an instant to pump out tokens RIGHT before you deal damage but AFTER your opponent declares no blockers...

August 2, 2012 7:49 p.m.
August 2, 2012 10:23 p.m.

Thragtusk with Restoration Angel has been so much fun in my GW aggro I have been playtesting. Bounce him out and back in, and you gain a 3/3 beast and 5 life. Just so darn good!! I don't run Sigarda or the Sublime Archangel s, but run 4 Strangleroot Geist s and 2 Thragtusks instead of 1. Pretty much the same creature base beyond that. I should put the list up on here, it wins me quite a few games actually. I may be running it at my FNM soon.

August 3, 2012 11:16 a.m.

Inces_Velus says... #26

How about keep teh green and run Champion of Lambholt in this deck...then focus on white token giving and just swing unblockable green?

August 3, 2012 11:55 a.m.

tcruz66 says... #27

Have you tried Bellowing Tanglewurm ? Unblockable creatures, but sideboard against any green creature deck.

August 3, 2012 2:13 p.m.

tcruz66 says... #28

Then again, you're running mostly white creatures now...

August 3, 2012 2:16 p.m.

tmurdock says... #29

Hmmm I like Champion of Lambholt but I dropped down to just one card:Green Sun's Zenith s so the singleton doesn't work any more.

I could actually run three champions instead of the three Silverblade Paladin . That might actually be a better combo with Sublime Archangel in a way. Hmm.

August 3, 2012 2:34 p.m.

funkjunky says... #30

Through a bunch of playtesting I realized you shouldn't read too much into Sublime's ability. With simply 3-4 creatures you're already going to have enough power to overwhelm your opponent, so you don't need a large number of creatures to use Sublime.

What you appear to be doing is a winmore strategy. Your deck is weak in the early game and a little weak in the late game, but you are overly powerful in the midgame; the being overpowered is unnecessary when you could make yourself strong in the early or late game.

August 3, 2012 2:34 p.m.

tmurdock says... #31

Actually, what you describe is exactly what my deck needs. Except it's not win-more, it's win-before-opponent-stabilizes.

The early game is strong (often turn 2 sword of war and peace for example). But a few board wipers set me back to the point where my mid-range deck has a hard time against anyone with a stronger late game.

I used to run Hero of Bladehold to finish games, but the fact that I don't need to untap with Sublime Archangel is so much stronger. If I have one creature with double-strike and trample, then sticking an angel could end the game when the opponent was planning to just wrath the next turn.

I do really like what you are saying about not needing a ton of creatures to use sublime - I think that was my issue earlier, I was trying to up the # of creatures on the field so much that I was blinded by the fact that she only needs a few to be that game-ending finisher I need so it's better to stick with my shell of Mortarpod and Garruk Relentless  Flip , etc. for my removal + control elements, etc.

August 3, 2012 5:09 p.m.

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