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first of all ide like to thank anyone who checks this deck out...ide like to explain MB and SB as here in this deck its super important!
MB Bloodgift Demon and Black Sun's Zenith , they are there for more controll matchups which is a popular thing in our meta..this makes the deck more black oriented..it also has le Wurmcoil Engine for the lifegain i <3
when versing more aggro decks what happens is
take out Bloodgift Demon and Black Sun's Zenith and put in Day of Judgment Angelic Overseer also take out Mausoleum Guard for Hero of Bladehold ..then SB corrct hate..planeswalkers=o-ring hexyproof=triute etc etc. f o-rings go in Reaper from the Abyss can go out for Sun Titan and more stuff..the extra Plains is for the swamp you wont need when you lean the deck to white (just remember to take out reaper...
trying BW for a change morbid with Skirsdag High Priest and some mordbid controll with Reaper from the Abyss . want white for self replacing things like Doomed Traveler . ide apreciate help with almost anything (and i cant afford Liliana of the Veil and another Elspeth Tirel and i do what this as BW. +1's greatly apreciated and if ya have time check out my other experimental deck BG Zombie swarm (help meh..I<3MYRS) and or MillBlade and my latest new in progress deck BU InfectBlade
some example results:
2-0 against BG Zombie swarm (help meh..I<3MYRS)
2-1 against MillBlade
1-2 against Fireball Steelby clooney woods
2-0 against BU InfectBlade
2-0 against wolf-run-ramp-100 by sondag
2-1 against Solar Flare2 by THIAGOLUCENAF
2-0 against Jace Sorin Love Affair
2-0 against many-faces-of-the-distress
2-1 against Melira's Empire
0-2 against a MBI (lashy too fast)
2-1 against another MBI (used trigon)
2-0 against an RDW (idk but yeah)
1-2 against a different RDW ( 4 koths X_X)
2-1-1 against Olivia Control by patrick chapin
and 2-0-1 against tezzeret-control-deck
these were intial tests..now i tend to win fnms with this but i do use other decks sometimes to not get bored...mostly bw ;)
other peoples BW decks:
dont 4get le +1 for cookies also leave a link for ur deck so i can help ya out maybe haha thx!
Ok, here is my thought process. I understand it is a morbid deck, but here is a few ideas to throw out there.x3 Go for the Throat , x3 Doom Blade , x3 card:Altar's Reap, x3 Dismember and x2 Victim of Night . That can cover your destroy spells, I personally rarely play 4 of any destroy spell. Get rid of card:Black Sun's Zenith and add in your x2 Day of Judgment . Also as far as the creatures go, try Champion of the Parish over Village Bell-Ringer ? These are just constructive ideas, if you like a suggestion, try it out and see.
i like card:Black Sun's Zenith over doj in mainboard because of the fact that i mostly need board sweep to get rid of X/1's or X/2's doing that either my high priest or abby demons survive and get to use morbid.. the Village Bell-Ringer i put in because when i all out attack and opponent reclessly attacks i can flash it out, block, kill, morbid and its pretty nice in the deck... ill try finding a spot for Champion of the Parish otherways... Victim of Night ...honestly i dont like, so much it cant kill.. but i will adjust my kill spells a bit as you sugest though =P oh and Sheoldred, Whispering One yeah ill find a spot for 1 or 2 eventually =) its so sxc
Haha, yeah Sheoldred is a beast, no one like playing against that card what so ever, so if you have her you better watch out for counters or destroy spells. People will honestly DOJ just to kill her, she is really good. The reason I say VoN is because people play black variation decks. The only thing it can't kill in a black deck more or less are Zombies. So, you can sideboard it in case. I'm fixing to update my deck on here, made a few changes to my morbid deck if you want to check it out?
I used to play a deck like this a couple of weeks ago. Its not competitive. While I love priest, the fact is that morbid doesn't really have many cards to work with and that its a better idea just to go play tokens.
One card you are missing though is Mortarpod , its amazing in this deck. I used to use mortarpod + rats to kill there creatures, used to use it to activate my Priest. All kinds of things. Its great.
Personally I'd run the Disciples, the turn four destroy something then morbid with the priest is amazing, and even when it doesn't happen turn four, late game your still gaining 5 a turn. Of course mine was more for abusing rage thrower than anything.
May want to consider some sacrificial spells such as card:Geth's Verdict or Tribute to Hunger . When you're lookin at a Mirran Crusader or anything equipped with a Sword of Feast and Famine , your current set of spells isn't gonna help much. I would run 1xDismember , 3xGo for the Throat , 3xDoom Blade , and 3xcard:Geth's Verdict if it were me. Dismember isn't as crucial, as you can probably kill off whatever you'd be hitting just as easily with a cheaper spell.
).) Mirran Crusader how could i 4get? ide probably run Tribute to Hunger over card:Geth's Verdict because 2 black mana just isnt my friend even on t3 ill sideboard 3 of emsh and keep Dismember on mainboard since our meta doesnt have a shiz load of Sword of Feast and Famine and [mirran crusader]]
I'd go with Typhoid Rats . They're a one drop and they have deathtouch thus bringing your morbid mechanic into play again. It would be cool if you could splash green in this, because that would open up Ambush Viper , he's basically a green spell that can fight back if you really want. Of course the even better card would be Glissa, the Traitor you don't need to worry about her artifact ability but rather first strike deathtouch is amazing. It takes 4 3/3s to kill her by blocking or someone with first strike of course lol. Either way morbid will activate off of her.
thx for the Typhoid Rats idea atm its between them vs Fume Spitter for another 1 drop. i chose Angelic Overseer because i almost always have humans out and it lives to most wrath/removal unlike sunblast angel.. i do really like Sangromancer .. i will playtest first but i. dont think i have enough aggro for Hero of Bladehold because im mostly controll.. Sun Titan /Grave Titan are nice but i already have 2x angel and 3x reaper.. but i do want a Sun Titan maybe
whats with the hate? no +1's? lol no cookies for u sir.
well i had a look at your sideboard and want to give some advise i was given a while back, when making a deck with a sideboard consider it to be a 75 card deck of witch you will play the strongest 60 against opponents
considering you all ready have 10 kill spells id drop Deathmark its slower and more restricted than what ever leaves and either drop the Dismember or swap it with a Go for the Throat , when will you want more than 10 kill spells? tribute to hunger is a bit diffrent as it answers issues with hexproof. Divine Offering is solid artefact hate so at the moment might be worth a main deck slot for all thoes Wurmcoil Engine s, Birthing Pod and Sword of Feast and Famine ect but thats a meta type issue
it would free up 4 side board slots that would alow you to alter your creature base should you choose to.
the idea with the hero was that because your very control orientated a resolved hero will need killing before you have to many creatures on the board. its a nice concept for a deck but its not quite ready for a +1 sorry bro
Looks nice but I'm not sure about Mausoleum Guard because it's CMC is quite high... imo it's a crap card ;-) In the other hand you are playing card:Altar's Reap so you can sacrifice token draw 2 cards... etc.
OK, deck looks nice and picture on Reaper from the Abyss is awesome!
I fully agre mate but Hero of Bladehold is also cast for 4 mana and he also can put 2 creatures on the battlefield. Solemn Simulacrum or Phyrexian Obliterator are also good in 4 mana slot. But I can understand why Mausoleum Guard is here.
Although I like in this deck card called card:Altar's Reap. In my opinion at the moment it's underestimated. This is very good draw.
thanks everybody and to padre i love abyss image sooooo much. the thing with Hero of Bladehold is that the tokens are attacking so they likely die since i dont usually attack t5 (again this deck is very controll) oblit ide love but impossible to get out t4 with my mana lol to entropy thx for the sideboard help ,i really needed that. but i will think about hero
No love? weres the +1's lol haha
Hahahaha, love is in the air!
Big black fatty +1 for playing Reaper from the Abyss mainboard ;-)
Surgical Extraction is a situational card and you got yo create deck over it. But it works great with discard or you can get rid of card:Chandra's Phoenix for good.
Try out also -3 Go for the Throat and +3Royal Assassin . When playing against red you will just move them to sideboard and play Phyrexian Crusader mainboard. Why? Assassin is a so he have synergy with Angelic Overseer . He is black so he is immune to Doom Blade and he will force opponent to use his removal speel or you will have killer on board. This is the main role for this guy - force enemy to use removal and then you can play your fatties to end the game.
I'm playing 3x mainboard and they work perfectly.
yes and no. Royal Assassin is supposed to force opponent to use removal... and when he do it you say ok, no problem, and play card:Altar's Reap in answer because its instant :) If not - you got killer on the field that will kill every creature who 'TAP' to attack.
It really works!
And when opponent used his removal you can play your fatties with lower chance of loosing them.
yes and no mate.
Royal Assassin is supposed to force opponent to use removal... and when he do it you say ok, no problem, and play card:Altar's Reap in answer because its instant - you sacrifice creature (already dead creature) and draw 2 cards. If he won't use removal - you got killer on the field that will kill every creature who 'TAP' to attack.
It really works!
And when opponent used his removal you can play your fatties with lower chance of loosing them.
no one attacks in to a Royal Assassin unless they have a plan and there are enough cards like Fume Spitter Virulent Wound even a good old Shock or even Disperse that deal with him just fine, he is quite slow as far as removal goes
sure its good for stalling but not really killing, its fine in this deck
Elspeth Tirel is good she has utility, either gaining you lots of life as you both have a big board of creatures, then as you ahve token's you effectivly one side wrath and win with that or she churns out a board of tokens for you to overwhelm your opponent, works well with cards like Overrun and Wurmcoil Engine
if you have Angelic Destiny on the table remember to put them all on the stack in the right order as if you put that enchantment on first you can get it back to your hand as long as its not on a token :) then re-cast and swing
personally i think card:Black Sun's Zenith is out of place in this deck day of judgement dose the same to you as your opponents where as the zenith wont kill all the bombs, like the titans ect,
I'd sideboard Timely Reinforcements for Midnight Haunting or just about anything else. It has WAY too much potential to be a dead draw but is still work the sideboard slot for how much is just ruins RDW/Goblin's day.
Divine Reckoning might be better than Day of Judgment or card:Black Sun's Zenith for you, especially with the Reaper from the Abyss . You keep your Reaper, then Morbid triggers to kill their only choice. Or you keep your priest and then tap all those new spirits you just got from the Doomed Traveler s or a Midnight Haunting.
the Mausoleum Guard works well because of survivability and i has no 4 drops the monk is great but when wrath hits (which is pretty common at our school) tokens die with and its 5 to cast which i dotn like too much....i like the Divine Reckoning idea alot though, after i gt home tommororw ill playtest that along with the Royal Assassin and see if they are any good =)
You might want to try and make room for Mimic Vat . You could vat in Doomed Traveler or Mausoleum Guard as a chump blocker, then get the tokens from it dying as well as activating the morbid. It would be great with the Mausoleum Guard because it would create the other two creatures that you need for Skirsdag High Priest 's dragon ability.
I like the deck! For the record, Elspeth Tirel is an excellent card, I am now running two of her in my deck. But I definitely agree on the inclusion of a Mimic Vat in exchange for one of your Go for the Throat s the ability to copy one of your opponents cards as well as your own is awesome +1
by the way you forgot to click my +1 ;P
I agree with the Vat, just remember, you have to get them to KILL it or you don't get the tokens or the morbid trigger. The vat exiles the copy it makes, not sacrifice sadly. So don't count on using it for the trigger unless you know they are going to attack you.
so heres how its been going Royal Assassin was honestly a great card, served great controll and was nice and scary. but probs i couldnt really take enough advantage of it with my deck, so so sry my dear good friend. Typhoid Rats vs Fume Spitter it went to Typhoid Rats as they scare ppl so much but now in in Typhoid Rats vs Doomed Traveler for that 1 drop spot..Mimic Vat im only sideboarding its sometimes not worth it in MD in my opinion....Timely Reinforcements vs Midnight Haunting im debating on alot lol its pretty situational but ill think about them more.. also i added +1Elspeth Tirel and -1Skirsdag High Priest because 3 was just too much...to Archimedes313 i jus gave u ur +1 which u deserved very much =P thx ppl and keep the +1's and suggestions coming.. deeply appreciated
Tensshu, Reassembling Skeleton great card, even on my maybeboard but i have so many 2 to casts and it doesnt really change board state although its a gopod card.....trying to slip in 2...im more into finding good 1-3-4 drops atm...especially 3 drops...and trying to find space in main/sideboard thx for reminding me to look at it though =)
this deck seems very nice, it does kill wolf run but that deck isnt really around anymore (who owulda guessed? every1 said its new valakut) oh well.... ide probs suggest updating your maybeboard as you porb know answers to some already..idk what else lol.. +1 from me!
Ok man, so what i'd do to this deck is ad the two Elspeth Tirel . Ad three if you can to make a total of 4, every competitive deck needs a lot of planeswalkers. Next, in my opinion, you have WAY to much removal for mainboard. -4 Go for the Throat , and +1 Doom Blade . -2 Dismember . So pretty much just use 4 Doom Blade s, and 1 Dismember . Day of Judgment is SO much better than card:Black Sun's Zenith, so -2 card:Black Sun's Zenith and +2 Day of Judgment . I like your idea for card:Altar's Reap for this deck, you're definitely going to have a lot more targets to sac with more Elspeth Tirel 's in your deck, so +3 card:Altar's Reap is a healthy number i'd leave alone. I know where you were going with the idea using +3 Reaper from the Abyss 's and a lot of removal for him, but honestly it's one of those idea's that sounds good on paper, but just doesn't work well. You wanna be finishing off your opponent by the time you even get to that point. So with that, i'd -1 or even -2 Reaper from the Abyss . I think you already know my love for Grave Titan haha. The dude creates an army! He's more mana efficient too. I just think there is better finishers than Reaper from the Abyss . I'd ad +1 Skirsdag High Priest also. If you liked any of my ideas, you should have more spots open. Phyrexian Rebirth is definitely a card worth looking into for this deck also.
well i would add in more Surgical Extraction in MB....this deck also used to have 4x Skirsdag High Priest but i cut them to 3...but even that seemed too much i ended up having to reap them alot...i also prefer Reaper from the Abyss over grave titan because 1.it flies 2. its so sxc 3. its sumtin different. and 4. i get morbid every turn so i can clean board nicely with him out. and so much token hate around here too. but out of that list i do like Phyrexian Rebirth alllllloooot and card:Life's Finale also comes in mind so those will deffinately get playtesting
There is an insane level of feedback for this deck. That's excellent. I really like it. On one playtest I kept a hand of doomed traveler, dismember and five lands, and I ended up topdecking a win con. That's a testament to the effectiveness of the deck. So, first and foremost, I'd say this experiment is a success.
I really, really, really want to see more Skirsdag High Priest. The priest is unreal. If you can find room for 1 more priest and 1 more overseer, I think this will be perfect. I think you could take out a Reaper, a Timely Reinforcements, some lands, or an Overseer to make room for those two spells.
For your sideboard, I'd suggest Despise , Distress , Demystify , Divine Offering (Basically spells that start with D,) and Surgical Extraction (except that one :P.) Or, something reminiscent of these ideas. The core of your deck is really solid at this point, so your sideboard should give you versatility. Better suggestions may exist, and I REALLY wish Duress was still in Standard. Hitting SE however, while not a knockout, can really cripple and slow a lot of decks.
You deserve all of the +1s you have. This is really good.
thanks so much for that, that really makes me feel good. ill slip in Surgical Extraction and Despise into SB. im just waiting for the cards i asked for to arrive before i bring this to a tourney/or get a friend to. so far playtesting vs many decks its done great. thx for the feedback, compliments and +1. greatly apreciated
This deck looks bomb dude! Really nice job and +1 for sure!
I would possibly swap a demon for a Sun Titan to let you bring back Splicers and Doomed Travelers.
Also, a Disentomb would do nicely in the SB (possibly in place of a TtH?) and maybe if you felt froggy run 1x Sheoldred, Whispering One she would do amazing in this deck.
Good stuff :)
@Dmci i do like hero after playesting before, but it costs bazzilions here coz its hard gto get and mauso is great after a doj or black sun so morbid gets more usefull sumtimes.i dont reallt wanna splash blue for the haunts coz colorless mana really hurts me (thats why i kept inkmoth out)...@Steimtime yeah the titan as a 1 of is great. its doing well. ill definatlely keep 1. @Basuldur thx for the +1 and im happy youd like to put sumtin like it together for an fnm, its really good (ive tried)
Wouldn't hurt to drop a Tribute to Hunger from your SB man. Since you already run 10 kill spells in the MB, That's probably the card you will SB in the least. And if you get caught playing a mono-black deck or mono-artifact (not likely) you'll still have two TtH to swap out for your Doom Blade s or Go for the Throat s.
i don't know if anyone mentioned it already, but you can go a tad of the solar flare route with Liliana of the Veil and Unburial Rites liliana will definatly help with the morbility triggers and board control. that's all of the advice i can think of for now, +1 from me to you
well you certainly do have more money than me :D
it looks like for the most part you can deal with creatures easily, probably too easily.
consider dropping some kill spells, maybe only play 6 or 7 "destroy target creature" spells (i.e. Doom Blade and Go for the Throat ). and sliding in a few Oblivion Ring s or something similar. if you do decide to keep a shit ton of kill spells, maybe add more Skirsdag High Priest to fully utilize killing their creatures... during their end step.
I think i just have a soft spot for Roc Egg , no one seems to like it very much for some reason -_-
Deck looks pretty solid. I would go -1 Mausoleum Guard and +1 Blade Splicer , -1 Doom Blade -1 Go for the Throat and +2 Oblivion Ring . I would also try and fit another card:Altar's Reap in there. Maybe drop a land for it, 24 seems a bit high and the altars reap will help you get more land anyways.
thx guys, added in Massacre Wurm to sb for now...i personally like 10 kill spels lol im gonna try to gte my handfs on sum o-ring (there hard to get on with all this white around) and playtes roc egg vs guard..keep it comin yoz....and....FNM IN BOUT 2 hrs!!!!
you have too many comments for me to look through and see if this was suggested, but Falkenrath Noble could be fun. sac a Doomed Traveler by using card:Altar's Reap deal a damage, gain a life, make a token, draw two cards, make a demon token, and kill a non-demon creature.
Very nice deck. The only card that doesn't really seem to work in it is the Reaper from the Abyss. Yes, his ability is nice, but 3 black mana is very difficult to guarantee.
All in all, I'd replace him and 2 of the anti-creature cards (perhaps sideboarding the black sun's zeniths) with 2 more land, another Elspeth, and another Sun Titan.
Otherwise, a very nice deck! +1
Since this is b/w deck, maybe add Heartless Summoning which let's you auto kill some of your own creatures and helps the mana costs of Reaper from the Abyss and Sun Titan and Mausoleum Guard . Or perhaps Unburial Rites to bring back everyone who dies to either their removal/counters or to bring back your fodder (which seems more of waste). I think it'd be most effective to have both in and to do so by dropping Mausoleum Guard and one each of Doom Blade and Go for the Throat . Then you five open to mix and tweek. I just dislike how it messes with your mana curve :/ +1 anyways lol.
I really like the CA you have going with Blade Splicer & Doomed Traveler in a Morbid deck. Nice idea!
Your results speak for themselves but the moment I saw the list speed came to mind: Heartless Summoning, Solemn Simulacrum, & Sphere of the Suns all seem like they grant a little speed to getting to those big baddies.
@ zebraface as hard as it might be 3 black mana 6 drops are relatively easyk to get out here..the card:Altar's Reap seems to provide me the extra cards to choose from...not ever seeming to have a problem , iadded in Massacre Wurm to SB without hesitation.i wish i could afford another Elspeth Tirel i just got a lucky 1 from booster lol. @Riku580 and @ikaruskid thx for the sugestion, that makes me have an idea for my sideboard but ill have to test it out, although i dont really want o go to the haertless route, as 1 itl kill my tokens so ide have to change this deck almost by 70% which i dun wanna do..but that does give me a SB idea so thx bros. thx for everything bros!
Holy mother of Hell! Thats a loooot of comments!!! I do like this deck build +1 from me for the comment number and the general cool build. Might I suggest a second Sun Titan for returning more, or perhaps a Bloodgift Demon for card draw support? A Heartless Summoning could be useful as well I think
DukeNicky ....Bloodgift Demon ..for the love of god. ive been sugesting him in numerous decks over the weeks..hes my fav. inn black card after Army of the Damned ...why the hell didnt i find him a spot here? guess i just 4got lol................loooooooooooooooooooooooool..................thx sooooo much lol...cant believ i 4got my fav draw power lol..ill fin dspace for him when i get home
This looks like overkill, in a good way! I guess the only thing I could suggest would be, first, asking you how helpful Timely Reinforcements is with a deck like this because of how much removal you have. I understand you are heavy on the creature hate for morbid, but youre lacking some permanent removal. Oblivion Ring would be a fine replacement I think, you can still answer the threat thats hitting you or you can throw in on a planeswalker/something annoying you. Other than that, nice job! +1
hmm @montazum10 i see ur point at timely....i never thought of it like that.. i usually dont really draw it much and when i do im unlucky with kill spells...lol guess its just my luck. but luck doesnt last forever so im porbs gonna change it to haunting or o-ring....thx bro
A lot of decks enjoy playing 2 wurmcoil engine, he's just such a huge threat, red deck hates him and so do most creatures on the ground.
Maybe unburial rites would be more helpful if you could dump creatures into the grave somehow I suppose... there's always Smallpox for that if you're feeling daring.
Looks like a lot of fun +1. I just wonder if Reaper from the Abyss is overkill, literally. With all the kill spells you run is there anything left for him when he comes out? And if your opponent doesn't have any creatures out don't you have to kill off your own guys with his ability? Might not actually be a problem I'm just throwin around ideas
This one looks solid, +1 from me.
I've read most of these comments and I tend to favor Mimic Vat and Mortarpod . I know that Mimic Vat works because I used it along with Birthing Pod and it can do wonders. Angelic Overseer looks out of place, only because of your selection for mass removal (aka card:Black Sun's Zenith). I understand that your main treats are x/1s and x/2s, but when the occasion arises, indestructibility will not save her. IMO, use either Grave Titan or Geist-Honored Monk (good token generators).
the only suggestion for your morbid theme is maybe trade out Day of Judgment for Divine Reckoning teamed with card:Geth's Verdict or Tribute to Hunger . i would also -1 Mausoleum Guard -2 Doomed Traveler for a few Unruly Mob . that way if you must board wipe, you get a big nasty. +1 on the build
Something that might be fun to try out would be True Conviction . Nobody is playing it, but it seems good in a token deck.
@_poke_me thx for going through the effort of going through the comments..i am trying out Mimic Vat atm...Mortarpod was in the deck at somepint but i took it out because it had a conflict with my other 2 drops..which ended up better tbh..thx for the BSZ/OVERSEER thing this leaDS ME TO doing this...moving Bloodgift Demon MB and overseer SB..when i SB in doj i move in overseer and take out BSZ and the demon...seems good to me =) @ jahosephat17 and jwel789 vitrue i had in once too but it was a dead card 1/3 the time...seemed more liek a win more card at times..and sumtimes a i lose card...@ crabopolis the reason why i have DOJ over reckining is that doj can be cast t4 knowing it kills everything if ide pair with sac, ill need atleast 6 mana out which isnt as awsome lol...Unruly Mob is sumtin no1 sugested yet so im gonna try that out and see how it works..@bmh1012 haha im actually trying to slip in le wurmcoil but space is always hard to find haha..@GunG12aVe yesh i hate oponent walkers/enchantments etc, so im taking out revoke and puttin that in..thx....@CAO yeah ikr 99 Alloy Myr would rape.@masterpeez im actually trying to get sum bladehold atm but theyr hard to get on.. the monk i have to get sum and try em out 1st ....as for splashing idk...i like BW
thx guys 79 ups!! omg lol thx every1 this deck has evolved alot over time and is waaaayyyyyyy better than it originally was..keep it comin guys =)
Firstly KUDOS for B/W :) When I saw just B/W it prompted me to really look at it because I've wanted to do just B/W for awhile!!
This looks like quite the powerhouse. I might put it together and do a little playing with it :) +1!
Also marking in my faves so I can mess with it. If I figure anything out I'll let ya know!
Thanks for sharing!
Okay, to be honest, haven't read all the comments, there's a lot. I don't know how updated the list I just saw is, but from what I saw, the deck seems good. I'm just not sure why Angelic Destiny is in the deck? I know it's a good card and when one of your dudes dies, you can pick it up and move it somewhere else, but it doesn't seem like angelic destiny is what you want to do. Also, you don't have any guaranteed way to stick it to a creature, so if they have instand speed removal, you can easily be 2 for 1'ed.
If the 4 Wurmcoil Engine in the maybeboard is a serious consideration, I'd strongly advise it. If it resolves, it just stabilises the board so well.
Finally, I like the Massacre Wurm for aggro (actually, seeing it in your deck makes me wonder if I want one in my side haha) but since you have access to white, have you considered Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite ?
Good Luck with the deck, +1 =)
ok got home...lol @Nomad0404 somelmn just didnt really get the cut as it didnt do me much when im losing lol but cant disagree that that combo is sum sweet draw...@fudgeninja Culling Dais is a great card but i tried it out before in the original version of my deck, and i learned that card:Altar's Reap ended just better @shawning thx bro! ill be making some updates on deck tommorow abt this time so come by to check it out (its a good 1) @skittles..first of all i <3 ur name..secondly, angelic destiny is here coz i almost never run outa critters..even after a doj or BSZ..but a 1/1 token doesnt seem so scary....but a 5/5 first strike angel token deffinately does! it keeps em scared..they waste removal on a damn token too haha. Wurmcoil Engine yes im putting him in mb or sb tommorow coz hes just too game changing...tooo epic...too sexy, so yeah...and for Massacre Wurm dun get me started..in my meta -2/-2 means kill board against half the decks around (also explains why BSZ is on MB) so that does huge damage annnnddd triggers morbid for demon/priest..elesh norn..."lady gaga" is great but the 7 mana i dun like...i never found space for sheoldred for that same puspose...t7 i tend to go destiny and keep removal or so...but ill keep it in mind and playtest @LeChaps haha thx for liking =)...thx for everything guys and im updating tommorow at this time...updating alotttt!!!!
Looks alright there.
These additions fit the theme very well, the solemns give you insane value when sacrificed and at the same time help you ramp up to your wurmcoils, all these cards work well together in your deck.
Also i really don't know why you would run card:Black Sun's Zenith over Day of Judgment ever, except for when you know you're facing Thrun, but that's not a legitimate reason to mainboard them, and even in the sideboard i'd prefer geth's verdict and such.
That said, Day of judgment is great in your mainboard or maybe you want to go with Divine Reckoning , it's great together with the skirsdag high priest and your travellers and mausoleum guards and wurmcoil.
Sun titan doesn't truly belong imo and i think you have too much spotremoval, all in all, i would reshape as such:
+1 oblivion ring (a catch all is important, always something to hope or when in dire situations ;))
+2 wurmcoil engine
+2 divine reckoning
+2 unburial rites
+3 solemn simulacrum
-1 sun titan
-1 mausoleum guard
-1 doomed traveller
-2 black sun's zenith
-2 angelic destiny (doesn't fit the deck IMO)
-2 go for the throat (not as good in the current format)
If you don't make this, i will :p
Also there's some synergy to be found between Divine Reckoning and Archon of Justice , because if you leave your best creature next to archon, you can then exile their chosen creature with the archon trigger, but i'm not sure it fits the deck/curve.
This all in thanks for your comments on my decks, hope it helps, i feel it should.
@jessetaverne haha yeah im updating the deck now and added le Wurmcoil Engine MB and Sun Titan goes sb for when o-rings go in...SB tech chenges the deck by allllot how it works is in description now..ive also already made this deck and won me an fnm and 2nd in the other...going again tommorow for standard. archon is a good card, but overseer does better for white 5 drop an d bloodgift seems better for black, as i already have shizzzzload of removal lol. i keep Angelic Destiny in because i generate alot of tokens,and opponents dont like wasting a Doom Blade on a 5/5 first strike TOKEN..lol. i am playing around with Unburial Rites btw.@Nomad0404 Mortarpod is genious but fights with my other 2 drops as ive tested it numerous times when people sugested it at different times...
really cool deck idea!!!
I don't know how I feel about Angelic Destiny but I mean at the same I understand why it's in the deck just because of how strong it is. I really like your use of Innistrad cards too and I'll definitely check back to see how the build progresses. +1
I like it so far. I'm a big fan of Dismember for its potency and flexible mana cost. Have you considered Heartless Summoning ? I know you're more focused on black control, but for a nasty army to hit the field you could combine it with a set of Blade Splicer and Skirsdag High Priest . Priest becomes 1 mana to cast and in the same turn you could drop a Splicer for 1 mana, it dies, you wind up with a 2/2 golem, but then Priest can tap that same turn for a 4/4 flying demon. 1 mana for 6 damage worth of creatures is pretty tempting in my opinion. Plus it'll lower the cost to drop and activate Demon of the Abyss and Bloodgift Demon as well! Lots of fun stuff possible here. What do you think?
@ morbira i <3 Dismember alot too. it wrecked the format before but for some reason people these days take it out of there board coz it cant kill titans....but yeah its great. if ide put heartless here ide have to change about 65% of the deck so i might just spend sum ti;me tonight making a heartless version of this deck....thx for dropin by yo =)
Doomed Traveller has to die, that is go to the graveyard from play.
The vat does, however, work very well with Blade Splicer .
I know it was mentioned way back at #57 but thought I would just point that out.
Idk if your deck can take anymore advice. It looks pretty sound and formidable to me. I may have already given it a +1 but if a haven't it deserves it. Nice deck. I'd a appreciate your comments on any of mine. They're Modern/legacy but I'm always looking for fresh ideas and combos.
Okay...lots to say here.
First off, it works. I'm shocked because I normally go for fewer types/mechanics/greater consistency, but this is just a downright fun deck to play.
Notes on playtesting:
This is a slooooow build. I'd be interested in your earliest turn for a win. As a result, I understand all the removal spells. It just gets kind of boring and hard to keep up if they're running tokens.
On the topic of removal, card:Black Sun's Zenith is BEAST and can end a game on it's own if your large flyer survives. The only consideration for this is that you need cheaper creatures or token generators to fill up after the wipe. Personally, I'd go for the cheaper creatures and keep my creature types to 1 or 2 to use something to pump them across the board.
While I like Wurmcoil Engine , it really doesn't fit the theme of your deck. Not to hate on it, while having Lifelink and Deathtouch is nice, it's really random here. I'd decide between that or Reaper from the Abyss and add in cards which support the card you keep. Also, there are far too many 2-drops.
Overall, +1. Lots of fun and can get pretty mean if you play it just right.
I think you should take a look at Intangible Virtue since you're pumping out so many tokens with Doomed Traveler , Blade Splicer , Skirsdag High Priest , etc. I'm also always loath to run a deck with white and not run any Oblivion Ring s mainboard. Though I understand that if you're really gunning for something heavy on the aggro.
@jbuck84 thx for that...well actually this deck is more midrange than slooooww...=P my early wins are t6-8 with mainboard and if i SB it can go much faster (heros)...Blade Splicer is in because its the best3 drop B/W creature i could find that helps this deck and i really needed a 3 drop...Wurmcoil Engine is here coz its just beast...if its removed i usually have an card:Altar's Reap in hand ..so i draw 2. get 2 tokens and opponent just wasted 1 removal spell...haha win./.........the 2 drop problem i know about...its really bad but theres not much i can do about it, but i do try to think about subs every now and then =P thx for comin by =)
@KrazyCaley oh my gawd thx for dropping by..i love ur articles bro =P.. i do have alot of tokens out for destiny every now and then but i see your point...im trying my best to clear some 2 drops so that skelly would have a chance..
@burnsbabe virtue ive tested before but seemed a dead card 1/3 the time..and it clogs my 2 drop zone even more =P..
o-rings are more of SB coz my meta is very aggro..not always do i have to deal with walkers so i tend to have cheaper INSTANT elim more..but ill consider moving atleast 2 MB
dun 4get to +1 if ya liek =)))
but......it doesnt really stop titans.......or birds.....or anyother mana dork...and they get to choose..so metalcraft kills 2 whcih is kidna much much better=P but then again we all have our opinions =P and it does get through hexproof...
BUT now that i think of it ...Tribute to Hunger ???? lol. i have 3 in SB so no probs i guess..
@jbuck84 You wouldn't be the first person to run a GW Token deck. You'll want Midnight Haunting , Parallel Lives , Mausoleum Guard , and Doomed Traveler for sure. There are other good options too like Blade Splicer and tons of support right now. Just ask [[Gavony Township. My main deck right now is GW Humans. Not exactly the same thing, but I'm familiar with the archetype.
I would honestly run more Elspeth Tirel s in the deck. You're so token heavy that she could wipe the board over and over and over, and win you the game. She just seems really important to the over-all theme of the deck. And fortunately, she dropped price for the almost 30$ she peaked at a few weeks ago, to right around 20$ now.
I just traded the rest of mine away because some of my friends are playing tokens, and I really don't.
I like the rest of the theme, and the cards in your deck. I just thinks a few more Elspeth Tirel s in the deck would make it even better.
I just play tested this and I say "heck man why do ya need comments?" its golden. You got your exits covered. Control decks can't counter all your awesomeness and Aggro stops dead. Burn... eh you will take a hit or two but nothing you can recover from. Nice balance of mana and cost. You also hold over Ramps. I'd hate playing against it.
@Jokernaught i like comments coz the deck changes....extremely slowy....but changes...i add in a new thing once or twice everyweek but thats how this deck became so good in the first place...its been dominating fnms (3 actually but dominating) and casual games are fun and awsome.. so thats why i try to keep comments coming (a guy sugested Batterskull today which im really considering, for example)
thx for playtesting =P its very sxc indeed
Well, I +1'd because I like the deck, and I'm not really sure what to say about it. I'll probably end up making this online soon and testing it out to see how it does. I'm always looking for new decks to play, so I should be able to give you some better feedback later on!
I like the idea of changing it up from black to white with sb. You said you like self replacing things so an idea might be Myr Sire . For some random tech Postmortem Lunge maybe after you Day of Judgment you can bring in a skirsdag from your grave and pop out a 5/5 demon flyer. Might not be that great, yet paying 2 mana and 2 life for a 5/5 flyer is not bad.
I could use some help with my deck deck:curse-craft it is a Red White metal-craft aggression with curse but could use some work. Anything helps. Nice build and explanation +1.
thx guys..@indianking_3 even with the xtra plains and minus swamp card:White Sun's Zenith is just hard to use well...by t6 i CAN get 3x plains and 3x swampy but thats alot to ask for consistently...and 3 cat tokens..w/o flying..or any evasion at all isnt my fav thing...@goldenrooster ..Myr Sire was in the original deck but i just noticed hoiw Doomed Traveler is like 1000000x better =P..Postmortem Lunge seems good though so itl be under my consideration
I have playtested the shit out of this deck with a few of my own, most notably my standard one which you commented on a while ago, deck:puresteel-paladins-entourage. I love this deck, it has a really strong tempo. But here is what I think will make it even better (and feel free to disagree, im not arguing against 123+ votes of approval! lol):
Take out both Timely Reinforcements and put them on the sideboard. You already have alot of creature removal, which will help the staying power of your current creatures. The Timely Reinforcements tend not to be so timely, and get drawn when you least need them. By the time it comes to play them, you will have played other more important cards first, your land count will be higher, and you should be playing something more signficant. Side them against an aggro deck that wont let up and that you need to stall.
Maybe switch them for Day of Judgment on the sideboard, and then completely take out card:Black Sun's Zenith. Your creatures aren't common enough in the high toughness range to really benefit from it, so you might as well wipe everything then lay in after.
Also, please take out a land. You have wayyyy to much for your curve. 23 would be just fine, 22 is probably even better. But that's up to you.
With those 3 - 4 spots, juice up your supply of either Blade Splicer s and/or Bloodgift Demon s. You need more fighting power to lay in the damage as you remove your opponent's creatures. Too often you only have 1 or 2 powerful creatures out, and they can too easily be removed by Dispatch /Oblivion Ring /Go for the Throat /Unsummon /Galvanic Blast , etc. Either beef up your creatures, or add Stave Off /card:Apostle's Blessing. You need to maintain your creature power presence instead of just having tokens floating around for chump/card draw/utility.
Otherwise, an excellent deck, well made B/W. Would +1 again if I could! (Also, if you get the chance, check out my main deck I use, deck:the-western-way-of-war-legacy-of-knights. It's legacy but always needs intuitive input!)
Hey, I've commented on this deck before, and it has only gotten better since. I was wondering if you could help me with a deck of mine. I was trying to make a similar UBW version, but it didn't work out so I made it UB Demon. Could you look and give me some help?
Vman, the top 8 here works in mysterious ways. You have a couple of days from when you create a deck to get enough votes for the top 8, and if it leaves the top 8 after that it doesb't come back anymore. At least that's been my experience the last uear. So if I'm correct, there's no chance of your deck returning there. Also i don't beleeve your deck got 40+ votes in 2-3 days, i checked your deck at december 6th and it was already at 100+ votes unless my memory serves me very very wrong.
firstly its not been in top decks yet, which confuses me..it got 40 votes in 2-3 days like a couple of weeks? back that happened when i was told that top decks update by most votes in 2 weeks...well thats what ive been told..but yeah...its time to make a new deck and give it a try..people have been boarding against my deck in fnms lately
Its a nice card on its own and I played it without metalcraft and nobody expected it. It's one of those cards people forget about and then rediscover in legacy or modern. But then again each Meta is different. And maybe something strange will happen. Slicer and a Wurmcoil.
Niblis of the Urn is kinda fun but not morbid.
Sorin, Lord of Innistrad plays well with Elspeth Tirel, and has the colors, but i don't like having more than 2x planeswalkers in a deck as a personal thing. But that's just me. I dunno man, it's pretty solid as is and I didn't see many things that stood out in DKA that would help too much.
Hey man, this deck is looking awesome as always. Already commented on it before. I do have a suggestion though.. What about replacing your Black Sun's Zenith with Day of Judgment? With some playtests of this deck, as well as lots of previous experience with it (at least in my meta), it can be hard to have the necessary mana to effectively cast it. A DoJ allows you to effectively wipe the board (which is what you were already trying to do, right?) without a headache.
Also, -2 Doom Blade for all those black creatures (especially in standard) that it will be useless against, and +2 Oblivion Ring, which is infinitely better in versatility. I wont try to sell you on what the o-ring has the power to shut down because im sure you already know that its everything short of a land :P
I playtested this deck against my post-extended modern deck The Western Way of War, and with these changes you would have won.
Finally, since you are indeed a B/W expert, you should take a look at my own B/W deck that i'm using in standard, deck:the-broken-battalion. It's part heavy hitter, part token emphasis. It could use your advice.
ok well i didnt get tto update deck last time coza blackout and forgetting alot...lol but now im gonna updatethe deck and add in dka cards...from sugestions im gonnatake out guards and put in souls..-2 DB -1 dismember -2 gftt +4 Tragic Slip -1 plains and swamp for 2x vault
MB BSZ over DOJ is meta call..and my meta wants bsz...jus sayin
thx for input..playtesting sorin,urn thing..batterskul was great but theres alot of artihate where i am.also testing gideon atm...thx for input guys and ill check linked decks right now (after updating)
well sure, ya see i could go with 4 GftT but if I play against a deck with a shizload of artifact creatures i will have a huge problem...if i play with a set of doom blade, i will have the same problem...thats why i learned to split my elim, be ready against almost any deck in game 1... hop that helped clear things out
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Wow extremely solid deck! Orzhov colors are my favorite ;) +1 !
My only suggestion would be to throw in one or two more Bombs like Wurmcoil Engine or a Titan. Plus, both Orzhov Titans and the Wurmcoil help putting more creatures on the field to sac them and keep morbid going. But anyway, it seems perfect this way. I'm gonna play it as a character in QUEST MAGIC if you don't mind! :))
If someone's interested with playing the Mtg RPG, here's the link:
This deck is gonna rock through the game, can't wait to try it! :))
Hi! I was looking over your deck and love it. Very solid and powerful. I would like to build it but a lot of the cards are cycling out in a little bit. However I was inspired to build a black white that didn't have a basis around the exalted mechanic. and I came up with sorin in the sky I would appreciate if you could provide me with some feedback.
If not then, thanks for your time and +1 for a good deck.
at Pan163 im sorry but im not "vman(uinsert numbers)" i have been unactive duting ur rant so yeah.. im a loyal member of this site and at most only get into arguements with flamy players..but noth rough... sorry for the uber late reply..
thanks for all the +'s guys ill be updating the deck after return to rav is fully spoiled to prepare my fave deck for rotation... and ...AM BACK BABY!
oh and eventhough its late ill check out decks posted....
|Date added||2 years|
|Last updated||1 year|
|Legal formats||Extended, Legacy, Vintage, Commander / EDH, Modern|
|Illegal cards||Black Sun's Zenith , Go for the Throat , Angelic Destiny , Wurmcoil Engine , Doom Blade , Elspeth Tirel , Blade Splicer , Dismember|
|Top rank||#1 on 2012-09-03|