BW morbid experiment

Modern* Aggro Combo Control Spirits Tokens W/B (Orzhov)

Vman Score: 164



NEW BY DECK IS OUT! BW heartless Curse (check it out)

DONT BE AFRAID TO SUGGEST SUMTIN NOT KNOWING IF ITS ALREADY BEEN SUGGESTED (yes alot of comments just sugest away, i prefer it )

also give alink of ur deck you would like help with, i enjoy giving feedback myself =)

first of all ide like to thank anyone who checks this deck out...ide like to explain MB and SB as here in this deck its super important!

MB Bloodgift Demon and Black Sun's Zenith, they are there for more controll matchups which is a popular thing in our meta..this makes the deck more black also has le Wurmcoil Engine for the lifegain i <3

when versing more aggro decks what happens is

take out Bloodgift Demon and Black Sun's Zenith and put in Day of Judgment Angelic Overseer also take out Mausoleum Guard for Hero of Bladehold..then SB corrct hate..planeswalkers=o-ring hexyproof=triute etc etc. f o-rings go in Reaper from the Abyss can go out for Sun Titan and more stuff..the extra plain is for the swamp you wont need when you lean the deck to white (just remember to take out reaper]]...

this deck is very controll oriented, trying to keep field full and cleaning opponent field..Angelic Destiny is to make some tokens scarier or other creats damn scary....oh and my maybeboard is so rape

trying BW for a change morbid with Skirsdag High Priest and some mordbid controll with Reaper from the Abyss. want white for self replacing things like Doomed Traveler. ide apreciate help with almost anything (and i cant afford Liliana of the Veil and another Elspeth Tirel and i do what this as BW. +1's greatly apreciated and if ya have time check out my other experimental deck BG Zombie swarm (help meh..I<3MYRS) and or MillBlade and my latest new in progress deck BU InfectBlade

some example results:

2-0 against BG Zombie swarm (help meh..I<3MYRS)

2-1 against MillBlade

1-2 against Fireball Steelby clooney woods

2-0 against BU InfectBlade

2-0 against wolf-run-ramp-100 by sondag

2-1 against Solar Flare2 by THIAGOLUCENAF

2-0 against Jace Sorin Love Affair

2-0 against many-faces-of-the-distress

2-1 against Melira's Empire

0-2 against a MBI (lashy too fast)

2-1 against another MBI (used trigon)

2-0 against an RDW (idk but yeah)

1-2 against a different RDW ( 4 koths X_X)

2-1-1 against Olivia Control by patrick chapin

and 2-0-1 against tezzeret-control-deck

these were intial i tend to win fnms with this but i do use other decks sometimes to not get bored...mostly bw ;)

other peoples BW decks:

Tenacious E - Tribute by Emrakool and it has a nice lil story with it! (check it out)

BW Recursion by Nomad0404 Black/White Tokens designed to generate Golems and Demons.

Morbidly Obese (BW Morbid Aggro) by Strangelove

Blood for the Gods by jessetaverne

dont 4get le +1 for cookies also leave a link for ur deck so i can help ya out maybe haha thx!



Altayy says... #1

The deck looks nice. Maybe sideboard Day of Judgment just in case. Use it as a last resort, if possible. +1 to the deck.

November 6, 2011 4:21 a.m.

Vman says... #2

thx alot for the +1 and already sideboarded 2x Day of Judgment

November 6, 2011 4:24 a.m.

Vman says... #3

take a look at my maybeboard btw =P

November 6, 2011 4:49 a.m.

irishsk8er69 says... #4

Drop 2 Plains and tack in 2 swamps, that will help out your mana curve. Also with your CMC curve, you may want to get rid of a few 2 drops for 1 and 3 drops to help it out a little as well. +1 from me

November 6, 2011 5:07 a.m.

Vman says... #5

thx for that, really apreciated ill be searching for good 1 and 3 drops.

November 6, 2011 5:44 a.m.

irishsk8er69 says... #6

Hmm, actually why not play Sheoldred, Whispering One ?

November 6, 2011 6:13 a.m.

irishsk8er69 says... #7

Ok, here is my thought process. I understand it is a morbid deck, but here is a few ideas to throw out there.x3 Go for the Throat , x3 Doom Blade , x3 card:Altar's Reap, x3 Dismember and x2 Victim of Night . That can cover your destroy spells, I personally rarely play 4 of any destroy spell. Get rid of card:Black Sun's Zenith and add in your x2 Day of Judgment . Also as far as the creatures go, try Champion of the Parish over Village Bell-Ringer ? These are just constructive ideas, if you like a suggestion, try it out and see.

November 6, 2011 6:22 a.m.

Vman says... #8

i like card:Black Sun's Zenith over doj in mainboard because of the fact that i mostly need board sweep to get rid of X/1's or X/2's doing that either my high priest or abby demons survive and get to use morbid.. the Village Bell-Ringer i put in because when i all out attack and opponent reclessly attacks i can flash it out, block, kill, morbid and its pretty nice in the deck... ill try finding a spot for Champion of the Parish otherways... Victim of Night ...honestly i dont like, so much it cant kill.. but i will adjust my kill spells a bit as you sugest though =P oh and Sheoldred, Whispering One yeah ill find a spot for 1 or 2 eventually =) its so sxc

November 6, 2011 10:47 p.m.

irishsk8er69 says... #9

Haha, yeah Sheoldred is a beast, no one like playing against that card what so ever, so if you have her you better watch out for counters or destroy spells. People will honestly DOJ just to kill her, she is really good. The reason I say VoN is because people play black variation decks. The only thing it can't kill in a black deck more or less are Zombies. So, you can sideboard it in case. I'm fixing to update my deck on here, made a few changes to my morbid deck if you want to check it out?

November 7, 2011 1:28 a.m.

Vman says... #10

sure ill check it out ill sideboard 2 VoN

November 7, 2011 5:54 a.m.

Vman says... #11

its so extremely tempting to find a spot for Army of the Damned coz its so much fun =))

November 7, 2011 8:01 p.m.

irishsk8er69 says... #12

I do like it a lot, but the cost is unreal though..

November 8, 2011 2:16 a.m.

Vman says... #13


November 8, 2011 2:19 a.m.

Vman says... #14

BTw i got Elspeth Tirel any 1 have any thoughts on that?

November 9, 2011 5:40 a.m.

Turtleman says... #15

I used to play a deck like this a couple of weeks ago. Its not competitive. While I love priest, the fact is that morbid doesn't really have many cards to work with and that its a better idea just to go play tokens.

One card you are missing though is Mortarpod , its amazing in this deck. I used to use mortarpod + rats to kill there creatures, used to use it to activate my Priest. All kinds of things. Its great.

November 9, 2011 6:11 a.m.

Vman says... #16

Mortarpod !!!!!!! how could i 4get th for that and +1 and ill let you know its pretty strong.controll+aggro works well trush meh ill find room for it rightsh now

November 9, 2011 6:14 a.m.

Vman says... #17

also 4got blade splicer...hmmmm ugh no time to fix things atm be back tommorow

November 9, 2011 7:54 a.m.

D34ths_kn1f3 says... #18

Personally I'd run the Disciples, the turn four destroy something then morbid with the priest is amazing, and even when it doesn't happen turn four, late game your still gaining 5 a turn. Of course mine was more for abusing rage thrower than anything.

November 11, 2011 7:47 a.m.

Vman says... #19

problem with Disciple of Griselbrand is that i already have an overpopulated amount of 2 to casts in the deck and cant do much on its own so im still trying to work things out with it.

November 11, 2011 8:06 a.m.

May want to consider some sacrificial spells such as card:Geth's Verdict or Tribute to Hunger . When you're lookin at a Mirran Crusader or anything equipped with a Sword of Feast and Famine , your current set of spells isn't gonna help much. I would run 1xDismember , 3xGo for the Throat , 3xDoom Blade , and 3xcard:Geth's Verdict if it were me. Dismember isn't as crucial, as you can probably kill off whatever you'd be hitting just as easily with a cheaper spell.

November 11, 2011 8:20 a.m.

Vman says... #21

).) Mirran Crusader how could i 4get? ide probably run Tribute to Hunger over card:Geth's Verdict because 2 black mana just isnt my friend even on t3 ill sideboard 3 of emsh and keep Dismember on mainboard since our meta doesnt have a shiz load of Sword of Feast and Famine and [mirran crusader]]

November 11, 2011 8:23 a.m.

Vman says... #22

btw i was wondering if Elspeth Tirel would be a good idea?

November 11, 2011 8:25 a.m.

Vman says... #23

be backy tommorow

November 11, 2011 9:32 a.m.

rckclimber777 says... #24

I'd go with Typhoid Rats . They're a one drop and they have deathtouch thus bringing your morbid mechanic into play again. It would be cool if you could splash green in this, because that would open up Ambush Viper , he's basically a green spell that can fight back if you really want. Of course the even better card would be Glissa, the Traitor you don't need to worry about her artifact ability but rather first strike deathtouch is amazing. It takes 4 3/3s to kill her by blocking or someone with first strike of course lol. Either way morbid will activate off of her.

November 11, 2011 9:35 a.m.

entropy101 says... #25

i like the idea but why Angelic Overseer theSunblast Angel , Hero of Bladehold and Sun Titan , Grave Titan and Sangromancer all seem stronger and if you want to keep the angel Hero of Bladehold is human

November 11, 2011 4:59 p.m.

Vman says... #26

thx for the Typhoid Rats idea atm its between them vs Fume Spitter for another 1 drop. i chose Angelic Overseer because i almost always have humans out and it lives to most wrath/removal unlike sunblast angel.. i do really like Sangromancer .. i will playtest first but i. dont think i have enough aggro for Hero of Bladehold because im mostly controll.. Sun Titan /Grave Titan are nice but i already have 2x angel and 3x reaper.. but i do want a Sun Titan maybe

whats with the hate? no +1's? lol no cookies for u sir.

November 11, 2011 9:46 p.m.

blockk89 says... #27

+1 man i would say drop the angel for some titans but i see ur a bit partial to em lol...just my opinion though

November 11, 2011 10:26 p.m.

Vman says... #28


November 11, 2011 11:08 p.m.

entropy101 says... #29

well i had a look at your sideboard and want to give some advise i was given a while back, when making a deck with a sideboard consider it to be a 75 card deck of witch you will play the strongest 60 against opponents

considering you all ready have 10 kill spells id drop Deathmark its slower and more restricted than what ever leaves and either drop the Dismember or swap it with a Go for the Throat , when will you want more than 10 kill spells? tribute to hunger is a bit diffrent as it answers issues with hexproof. Divine Offering is solid artefact hate so at the moment might be worth a main deck slot for all thoes Wurmcoil Engine s, Birthing Pod and Sword of Feast and Famine ect but thats a meta type issue

it would free up 4 side board slots that would alow you to alter your creature base should you choose to.

the idea with the hero was that because your very control orientated a resolved hero will need killing before you have to many creatures on the board. its a nice concept for a deck but its not quite ready for a +1 sorry bro

November 12, 2011 7:38 a.m.

PadrePadre says... #30

Looks nice but I'm not sure about Mausoleum Guard because it's CMC is quite high... imo it's a crap card ;-) In the other hand you are playing card:Altar's Reap so you can sacrifice token draw 2 cards... etc.

OK, deck looks nice and picture on Reaper from the Abyss is awesome!

November 12, 2011 12:19 p.m.

entropy101 says... #31

while the cost is high you are getting 4 power for 4 mana so its not so bad

November 12, 2011 2:08 p.m.

PadrePadre says... #32

I fully agre mate but Hero of Bladehold is also cast for 4 mana and he also can put 2 creatures on the battlefield. Solemn Simulacrum or Phyrexian Obliterator are also good in 4 mana slot. But I can understand why Mausoleum Guard is here.

Although I like in this deck card called card:Altar's Reap. In my opinion at the moment it's underestimated. This is very good draw.


November 12, 2011 6:28 p.m.

Vman says... #33

thanks everybody and to padre i love abyss image sooooo much. the thing with Hero of Bladehold is that the tokens are attacking so they likely die since i dont usually attack t5 (again this deck is very controll) oblit ide love but impossible to get out t4 with my mana lol to entropy thx for the sideboard help ,i really needed that. but i will think about hero

No love? weres the +1's lol haha

November 12, 2011 9:58 p.m.

Vman says... #34

btw if any1 wondered, Mortarpod isnt here coz of the confilct with all my other 2 to casts.. was a nice try though

November 12, 2011 10:04 p.m.

Vman says... #35

ok so any thoughts on Surgical Extraction and Elspeth Tirel ?

November 13, 2011 1:52 a.m.

PadrePadre says... #36

Hahahaha, love is in the air!

Big black fatty +1 for playing Reaper from the Abyss mainboard ;-)

Surgical Extraction is a situational card and you got yo create deck over it. But it works great with discard or you can get rid of card:Chandra's Phoenix for good.

Try out also -3 Go for the Throat and +3Royal Assassin . When playing against red you will just move them to sideboard and play Phyrexian Crusader mainboard. Why? Assassin is a so he have synergy with Angelic Overseer . He is black so he is immune to Doom Blade and he will force opponent to use his removal speel or you will have killer on board. This is the main role for this guy - force enemy to use removal and then you can play your fatties to end the game.

I'm playing 3x mainboard and they work perfectly.

November 13, 2011 11:40 a.m.

Vman says... #37

thx foer the +1 ill check out the Royal Assassin

November 13, 2011 11:09 p.m.

Vman says... #38

thx foer the +1 ill check out the Royal Assassin

November 13, 2011 11:09 p.m.

entropy101 says... #39

Royal Assassin could be very usefull, although i think iv only ever managed to kill with it when using Frost Titan . but if you want to slow the game down it works a treat!

November 14, 2011 5:16 a.m.

Vman says... #40

yeah im playesting and it seems ok but i need creats to sac and i feel sad when i sac the Royal Assassin

November 14, 2011 5:36 a.m.

Vman says... #41

yeah im playesting and it seems ok but i need creats to sac and i feel sad when i sac the Royal Assassin

November 14, 2011 5:36 a.m.

PadrePadre says... #42

yes and no. Royal Assassin is supposed to force opponent to use removal... and when he do it you say ok, no problem, and play card:Altar's Reap in answer because its instant :) If not - you got killer on the field that will kill every creature who 'TAP' to attack.

It really works!

And when opponent used his removal you can play your fatties with lower chance of loosing them.

November 14, 2011 6:09 a.m.

PadrePadre says... #43

yes and no mate.

Royal Assassin is supposed to force opponent to use removal... and when he do it you say ok, no problem, and play card:Altar's Reap in answer because its instant - you sacrifice creature (already dead creature) and draw 2 cards. If he won't use removal - you got killer on the field that will kill every creature who 'TAP' to attack.

And think about RED. Every burn spell that hits Assasin won't hit you. But against red Phyrexian Crusader is the card to be played so you just need to replace Royal Assassin with them.

It really works!

And when opponent used his removal you can play your fatties with lower chance of loosing them.

November 14, 2011 6:17 a.m.

Vman says... #44

haha thx ill find space for it tommorow when i get back, thx for help ppls =) keep it coming

November 14, 2011 6:20 a.m.

Vman says... #45

now ide actually appreciate sum help on Elspeth Tirel im pretty confused on this 1 =)

November 14, 2011 6:27 a.m.

entropy101 says... #46

no one attacks in to a Royal Assassin unless they have a plan and there are enough cards like Fume Spitter Virulent Wound even a good old Shock or even Disperse that deal with him just fine, he is quite slow as far as removal goes

sure its good for stalling but not really killing, its fine in this deck

November 14, 2011 6:32 a.m.

Vman says... #47

yeah...btw....only need a few more +1's to be on top decks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 fudge yeah..entropy, asny thought on Elspeth Tirel in this deck?

November 14, 2011 6:44 a.m.

entropy101 says... #48

Elspeth Tirel is good she has utility, either gaining you lots of life as you both have a big board of creatures, then as you ahve token's you effectivly one side wrath and win with that or she churns out a board of tokens for you to overwhelm your opponent, works well with cards like Overrun and Wurmcoil Engine

if you have Angelic Destiny on the table remember to put them all on the stack in the right order as if you put that enchantment on first you can get it back to your hand as long as its not on a token :) then re-cast and swing

personally i think card:Black Sun's Zenith is out of place in this deck day of judgement dose the same to you as your opponents where as the zenith wont kill all the bombs, like the titans ect,

November 14, 2011 6:54 a.m.

Vman says... #49

card:Black Sun's Zenith is on MY mainboard in our meta i mostly kill X/1's and X2's for other ppl DOJ would be main, on mine is SB.....still not sure about Elspeth Tirel but ill hope for da best and just not sell mine =)

November 14, 2011 7:02 a.m.

entropy101 says... #50

ok, still what about Marrow Shards for that?

if people are swinging with lots of x/1 creatures this seems to be the best response its one sided and you don't even need mana open

November 14, 2011 7:37 a.m.

Vman says... #51

i like to kill X/1's before they use card:Guardians' Pledge so yeah and black sun can kill my stuff for morbid everyonce in a while

November 14, 2011 11 p.m.

Vman says... #52

i like to kill X/1's before they use card:Guardians' Pledge so yeah and black sun can kill my stuff for morbid everyonce in a while

November 14, 2011 11 p.m.

Vman says... #53

no new comments for the night? =0

November 15, 2011 6:17 a.m.

OmegaSerris says... #54

I just can't seem to like Mausoleum Guard . I'd rather run Geist-Honored Monk , for one more mana, you get the token now and a minimum of a 3/3 Vigilant.

I'd sideboard Timely Reinforcements for Midnight Haunting or just about anything else. It has WAY too much potential to be a dead draw but is still work the sideboard slot for how much is just ruins RDW/Goblin's day.

Divine Reckoning might be better than Day of Judgment or card:Black Sun's Zenith for you, especially with the Reaper from the Abyss . You keep your Reaper, then Morbid triggers to kill their only choice. Or you keep your priest and then tap all those new spirits you just got from the Doomed Traveler s or a Midnight Haunting.

November 16, 2011 4:55 a.m.

Vman says... #55

the Mausoleum Guard works well because of survivability and i has no 4 drops the monk is great but when wrath hits (which is pretty common at our school) tokens die with and its 5 to cast which i dotn like too much....i like the Divine Reckoning idea alot though, after i gt home tommororw ill playtest that along with the Royal Assassin and see if they are any good =)

November 16, 2011 5:04 a.m.

Vman says... #56

also gonna try Army of the Damned and Elspeth Tirel ....

November 16, 2011 5:57 a.m.

looks good

November 16, 2011 7:16 a.m.

ZServ says... #58

I myself would go strict b/w humans. But, doing that ends up killing your morbid idea, but Village Cannibals may not be a bad card.

November 16, 2011 2:30 p.m.

sarpnasty says... #59

You might want to try and make room for Mimic Vat . You could vat in Doomed Traveler or Mausoleum Guard as a chump blocker, then get the tokens from it dying as well as activating the morbid. It would be great with the Mausoleum Guard because it would create the other two creatures that you need for Skirsdag High Priest 's dragon ability.

November 16, 2011 2:37 p.m.

sarpnasty says... #60

*demon ability

November 16, 2011 2:37 p.m.

Vman says... #61

=0 nice idea

November 16, 2011 9:08 p.m.

Archimedes313 says... #62

I like the deck! For the record, Elspeth Tirel is an excellent card, I am now running two of her in my deck. But I definitely agree on the inclusion of a Mimic Vat in exchange for one of your Go for the Throat s the ability to copy one of your opponents cards as well as your own is awesome +1

by the way you forgot to click my +1 ;P

November 16, 2011 9:52 p.m.

OmegaSerris says... #63

I agree with the Vat, just remember, you have to get them to KILL it or you don't get the tokens or the morbid trigger. The vat exiles the copy it makes, not sacrifice sadly. So don't count on using it for the trigger unless you know they are going to attack you.

I still like Midnight Haunting over Timely Reinforcements . Yeah, you might get lucky against an aggro deck and get the full effect turn 3 but it just screams sidedeck to me.

November 17, 2011 1:01 a.m.

Vman says... #64

so heres how its been going Royal Assassin was honestly a great card, served great controll and was nice and scary. but probs i couldnt really take enough advantage of it with my deck, so so sry my dear good friend. Typhoid Rats vs Fume Spitter it went to Typhoid Rats as they scare ppl so much but now in in Typhoid Rats vs Doomed Traveler for that 1 drop spot..Mimic Vat im only sideboarding its sometimes not worth it in MD in my opinion....Timely Reinforcements vs Midnight Haunting im debating on alot lol its pretty situational but ill think about them more.. also i added +1Elspeth Tirel and -1Skirsdag High Priest because 3 was just too Archimedes313 i jus gave u ur +1 which u deserved very much =P thx ppl and keep the +1's and suggestions coming.. deeply appreciated

November 17, 2011 5:36 a.m.

Tensshu says... #65

I do not know if someone has said this one already but I would recommend adding Reassembling Skeleton because it provides a creature that can easily be sacked and brought back, allowing morbid every turn.

November 17, 2011 5:37 a.m.

Vman says... #66

Tensshu, Reassembling Skeleton great card, even on my maybeboard but i have so many 2 to casts and it doesnt really change board state although its a gopod card.....trying to slip in more into finding good 1-3-4 drops atm...especially 3 drops...and trying to find space in main/sideboard thx for reminding me to look at it though =)

November 17, 2011 5:42 a.m.

Vman says... #67

also added 2x Mimic Vat to SB

November 17, 2011 7:33 a.m.

Vman says... #68

people have been suggesting swords elsewhere but only 1's i can afford lately are Sword of Body and Mind so i dont think thats such a good idea....jus sayin

November 18, 2011 6:08 a.m.

HanKYu says... #69

this deck is so sexy. +1000000000 lol jk. only +1 xD

November 18, 2011 8:06 a.m.

HanKYu says... #70

i has a plan. u get half the components and i get the other half and lets finish this deck :D i have 1 angelic destiny and..... thats about it :P

November 18, 2011 8:16 a.m.

Vman says... #71

Hankyu u still have it?

November 18, 2011 8:26 a.m.

Vman says... #72

+2 Ratchet Bomb on sideboard.....shouldnt have 4gotten that

November 18, 2011 8:31 a.m.

Vman says... #73

im thinking of probably removing Tribute to Hunger as Nevermore seems to bear the name Mirran Crusader /Sword of Feast and Famine alot anyway, thus giving me 3 free SB slots, any ideas any1?

November 18, 2011 11:39 p.m.

C4rnif3X says... #74

Hell yes man, thanks for the +1. I returned the favor.

I'm going to sleep here shortly, so i'll take a more thorough look at this deck tomorrow and leave some opinion's =)

November 19, 2011 12:25 a.m.

Vman says... #75

thx greatly apreciated

November 19, 2011 12:29 a.m.

QuentinD says... #76

This is a DAMN good deck. +1 and thanks again for all your help.

November 19, 2011 1:07 a.m.

Vman says... #77


November 19, 2011 1:10 a.m.

Vman says... #78

that makes me wanna cry =)

November 19, 2011 2:42 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #79

this deck seems very nice, it does kill wolf run but that deck isnt really around anymore (who owulda guessed? every1 said its new valakut) oh well.... ide probs suggest updating your maybeboard as you porb know answers to some already..idk what else lol.. +1 from me!

November 19, 2011 4:13 a.m.

Vman says... #80

thx for that +1 and sadly wolf run isnt around to feel the wrath of this deck lol =P

November 19, 2011 6:01 a.m.

C4rnif3X says... #81

Ok man, so what i'd do to this deck is ad the two Elspeth Tirel . Ad three if you can to make a total of 4, every competitive deck needs a lot of planeswalkers. Next, in my opinion, you have WAY to much removal for mainboard. -4 Go for the Throat , and +1 Doom Blade . -2 Dismember . So pretty much just use 4 Doom Blade s, and 1 Dismember . Day of Judgment is SO much better than card:Black Sun's Zenith, so -2 card:Black Sun's Zenith and +2 Day of Judgment . I like your idea for card:Altar's Reap for this deck, you're definitely going to have a lot more targets to sac with more Elspeth Tirel 's in your deck, so +3 card:Altar's Reap is a healthy number i'd leave alone. I know where you were going with the idea using +3 Reaper from the Abyss 's and a lot of removal for him, but honestly it's one of those idea's that sounds good on paper, but just doesn't work well. You wanna be finishing off your opponent by the time you even get to that point. So with that, i'd -1 or even -2 Reaper from the Abyss . I think you already know my love for Grave Titan haha. The dude creates an army! He's more mana efficient too. I just think there is better finishers than Reaper from the Abyss . I'd ad +1 Skirsdag High Priest also. If you liked any of my ideas, you should have more spots open. Phyrexian Rebirth is definitely a card worth looking into for this deck also.

November 19, 2011 10:13 p.m.

Vman says... #82

well i would add in more Surgical Extraction in MB....this deck also used to have 4x Skirsdag High Priest but i cut them to 3...but even that seemed too much i ended up having to reap them alot...i also prefer Reaper from the Abyss over grave titan because flies 2. its so sxc 3. its sumtin different. and 4. i get morbid every turn so i can clean board nicely with him out. and so much token hate around here too. but out of that list i do like Phyrexian Rebirth alllllloooot and card:Life's Finale also comes in mind so those will deffinately get playtesting

November 20, 2011 12:06 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #83

i think he already said why he keeps card:Black Sun's Zenith on mainboard over doj..its meta intensive =P

November 20, 2011 1 a.m.

Vman says... #84


November 20, 2011 1:54 a.m.

Vman says... #85

does any1 else think Nevermore is good enough against Mirran Crusader as Tribute to Hunger ?

November 20, 2011 2:37 a.m.

C4rnif3X says... #86

Ya but Grave Titan gives you more tokens for sac'ing and what not. Oh, well it's all up to you =)

November 20, 2011 3:32 a.m.

Vman says... #87

ill slip a titan in if aby does bad =P

November 20, 2011 3:58 a.m.

Vman says... #88

ok nvm the Nevermore idea coz its too slow vs dungrove and stuff....ill need to keep tribute i guess =(

November 20, 2011 4 a.m.

Vman says... #89

i actually though of SB o-rings but they still dont answer hexproof.....damn all u untouchables lol

November 20, 2011 4:15 a.m.

HanKYu says... #90

i has an idea.... i help u make this deck and u let me borrow it during FNMs cus u dnt play FNM anyway :|

November 20, 2011 5:22 a.m.

Vman says... #91

you can play fnm with my mono B till i finish this i guess

November 20, 2011 5:26 a.m.

Vman says... #92

gimme the destiny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

November 21, 2011 6:03 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #93

ide slpi some Surgical Extraction into sideboard for crusaders and stuff

November 21, 2011 8:30 a.m.

Syinide says... #94

Nice Looking deck. +1

November 21, 2011 1 p.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #95

no results for us on sheoldred?

November 22, 2011 6:07 a.m.

snorlaxx143 says... #96

Love the ideas and synergy. Dark ascension will have se good morbid cards too. +1

November 22, 2011 2:29 p.m.

Vman says... #97

hopefully there is. thx for the +1

November 23, 2011 1:05 a.m.

babyshack001 says... #98

With all these crazy ass tokens, you might want to consider Intangeable Virtue... Defnitely +1 from me

November 23, 2011 11:52 p.m.

Vman says... #99

..thx alllllooooot for the +1 and that idea. i do notice i have alot of tokens so ill playtest that and see how it goes...ill add it to maybeboard for now

November 24, 2011 6:29 a.m.

BigD says... #100

very nice le +1

November 24, 2011 6:42 a.m.

Vman says... #101

thx for le +1

November 24, 2011 6:50 a.m.

Vman says... #102

November 24, 2011 7:29 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #103

so sxc

November 25, 2011 5:12 a.m.

FoxKit says... #104

Wow, so many good comments already. Not much to say since I don't know much about Innistrad yet, but it looks pretty sweet. Thanks for stopping by and good luck! =D

November 25, 2011 8:35 a.m.


November 25, 2011 10:35 a.m.

Vman says... #106

thx for le +1.

November 25, 2011 8:10 p.m.

Vman says... #107

switched out Divine Offering for Revoke Existence , 4 life is nice but enchantments i dun like either

November 25, 2011 8:38 p.m.

JazzCrimes says... #108

There is an insane level of feedback for this deck. That's excellent. I really like it. On one playtest I kept a hand of doomed traveler, dismember and five lands, and I ended up topdecking a win con. That's a testament to the effectiveness of the deck. So, first and foremost, I'd say this experiment is a success.

I really, really, really want to see more Skirsdag High Priest. The priest is unreal. If you can find room for 1 more priest and 1 more overseer, I think this will be perfect. I think you could take out a Reaper, a Timely Reinforcements, some lands, or an Overseer to make room for those two spells.

For your sideboard, I'd suggest Despise , Distress , Demystify , Divine Offering (Basically spells that start with D,) and Surgical Extraction (except that one :P.) Or, something reminiscent of these ideas. The core of your deck is really solid at this point, so your sideboard should give you versatility. Better suggestions may exist, and I REALLY wish Duress was still in Standard. Hitting SE however, while not a knockout, can really cripple and slow a lot of decks.

You deserve all of the +1s you have. This is really good.

November 26, 2011 12:16 a.m.

Vman says... #109

thanks so much for that, that really makes me feel good. ill slip in Surgical Extraction and Despise into SB. im just waiting for the cards i asked for to arrive before i bring this to a tourney/or get a friend to. so far playtesting vs many decks its done great. thx for the feedback, compliments and +1. greatly apreciated

November 26, 2011 12:22 a.m.

Vman says... #110

decks lookin so sxc

November 26, 2011 2:32 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #111

i <3 how you updated on decks you playtested against =)

November 26, 2011 3:32 a.m.

Vman says... #112

lol thx

November 26, 2011 5:05 a.m.

Vman says... #113

update: virtues didnt really work well enough so im taking them outa maybe.. =(

November 26, 2011 6:14 a.m.

Vman says... #114

and niether did gut shots

November 26, 2011 8 a.m.

i would say Village Cannibals over guard but that's my opinion Sheoldred, Whispering One would be a good choice pumping off morbid is always good as is recursuion

November 26, 2011 10:19 a.m.

Go for the Throat is risky with all the tempered steel decks out there

November 26, 2011 10:20 a.m.

Vman says... #117

well the canibals r nice, but not really in this deck so much...i will take out some GftT and add in more Doom Blade as i really dun like le wurmcoils...sheoldred has already been suggested b4 but i can find space for sumtin so heavy ya know.

November 27, 2011 2:02 a.m.

Vman says... #118

damn, i wish ide get up to top decks already.. i mean this deck has 1.5k views and i think probs 100 comments 25 score...i mean cmon..

November 27, 2011 3:30 a.m.

Vman says... #119

damn, i wish ide get up to top decks already.. i mean this deck has 1.5k views and i think probs 100 comments 25 score...i mean cmon..

November 27, 2011 3:30 a.m.

Vman says... #120

make that 1.6k views

November 27, 2011 7:41 a.m.

Steimtime says... #121

This deck looks bomb dude! Really nice job and +1 for sure!

I would possibly swap a demon for a Sun Titan to let you bring back Splicers and Doomed Travelers.

Also, a Disentomb would do nicely in the SB (possibly in place of a TtH?) and maybe if you felt froggy run 1x Sheoldred, Whispering One she would do amazing in this deck.

November 27, 2011 9:03 p.m.

Vman says... #122

yeah i actually like Sun Titan idea..probs [puttin in 1. sheoldred..still no spacy =P

November 28, 2011 4:51 a.m.

Vman says... #123

damn sun titan working fine lol

November 28, 2011 6:49 a.m.

Dmci says... #124

I like it :) My only tweak would be Hero of Bladehold over Mausoleum Guard - it's a better card for the same CMC due to the token generation and buff provided!

Also, I'd be tempted were I playing this deck to splash blue (as in 4x Glacial Fortress ) for some Moorland Haunt s, just as they're so useful for you!

Good stuff :)

November 28, 2011 7:02 a.m.

Steimtime says... #125

Glad you like the Sun Titan idea! I esp. like the titan+splicer combo.

November 28, 2011 2:02 p.m.

Basuldur says... #126

I like it, I also have many of the cards for it so I might consider putting something like it together for fnm +1

November 28, 2011 3:29 p.m.

Vman says... #127

@Dmci i do like hero after playesting before, but it costs bazzilions here coz its hard gto get and mauso is great after a doj or black sun so morbid gets more usefull sumtimes.i dont reallt wanna splash blue for the haunts coz colorless mana really hurts me (thats why i kept inkmoth out)...@Steimtime yeah the titan as a 1 of is great. its doing well. ill definatlely keep 1. @Basuldur thx for the +1 and im happy youd like to put sumtin like it together for an fnm, its really good (ive tried)

November 29, 2011 6:03 a.m.

Vman says... #128

thx ppl keep it coming =)

November 29, 2011 7:35 a.m.

godly111 says... #129

I really like the idea of putting Typhoid Rats and Mortarpod s in it, maybe another couple of other deathtouch critters like Onyx Mage . Other than that, pretty solid.

November 29, 2011 8:27 a.m.

Vman says... #130

thx =) im actually gonna put in Typhoid Rats only like 1-2 though

November 29, 2011 8:29 a.m.

Vman says... #131

ill update tommorow im extremely sleepy now..cyoz

November 29, 2011 8:30 a.m.

i do see intagible virtue helping out +1

November 29, 2011 10:25 a.m.

Vman says... #133

virtue wasin the decks maybeboard a lil while. but it was a dead card like 1/3 the time and i dun like dead cards =P

November 29, 2011 8:54 p.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #134

this deck should be on top decks already..ill ask why it isnt in forums

November 30, 2011 12:12 a.m.

Nivrix says... #135

I really like this deck... very nice! +1 from me

November 30, 2011 12:14 a.m.

Vman says... #136

thx =)

November 30, 2011 12:16 a.m.

Plummyr says... #137

I like how you've got white in this, in goes together very well, especially the Sun Titan , I hadn't thought about that. +1 from me.

November 30, 2011 12:23 a.m.

Vman says... #138

yeah the titan didnt hit me right away..i guess with all ppl here playing grave and primeval it just never hit me till sum1 suggested it

November 30, 2011 12:35 a.m.

Plummyr says... #139

Especially with the Doomed Traveler lol, that's almost comical how many times you could bring him back :D

November 30, 2011 12:38 a.m.

Vman says... #140

lol..i <3 traveler since spoiler =P

November 30, 2011 12:38 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #141

who doesnt

November 30, 2011 1:18 a.m.

damalcanator says... #142

I can't give you any advice on this, it's just a solid deck. Maybe Massacre Wurm but I'm sure you entertained that idea already.

November 30, 2011 1:23 a.m.

Vman says... #143

actually, thats the first. i like the idea, i dont ever really have 3 black mana probs on t6 s i already fixed my mana for the reaper, so ill deffinately add it to my SB thx! andsh dont 4get to le+1 for the cookies

November 30, 2011 1:26 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #144

Massacre Wurm says "hey wazzup" to weenies

November 30, 2011 2:20 a.m.

Vman says... #145

great way to trigger morbid, and to kill, now what to tAKE OUT of SB hmmm.

November 30, 2011 3:01 a.m.

scholar says... #146

I like this deck, it's unique. +1

November 30, 2011 4:40 a.m.

Vman says... #147

well im off for the night..ide apreciate sum help on SB and a spot for Massacre Wurm in it... cyoz all next time

November 30, 2011 5:14 a.m.

Steimtime says... #148

Wouldn't hurt to drop a Tribute to Hunger from your SB man. Since you already run 10 kill spells in the MB, That's probably the card you will SB in the least. And if you get caught playing a mono-black deck or mono-artifact (not likely) you'll still have two TtH to swap out for your Doom Blade s or Go for the Throat s.

November 30, 2011 4:13 p.m.

Steimtime says... #149

I mean't drop TtH for the Massacre Wurm


November 30, 2011 4:14 p.m.

Vman says... #150

yeah seems legit idea but then ide not have annyyything at all Vs. crusader/hexproof though

December 1, 2011 5:12 a.m.

IAmKingTony says... #151

Cool deck fella, I thought about a B/W humans deck myself but I wasn't really sure what to put in. I went with red/white instead. What do you think of my deck? I need some opinions :)


btw, +1!

December 1, 2011 5:29 a.m.

Vman says... #152

hx and im gonna check it out now =)

December 1, 2011 5:30 a.m.

Syinide says... #153

With a lot of the popular decks out running around, I'd drop 2 dismember and put in 2 o rings. More versatility.

December 1, 2011 5:45 a.m.

Vman says... #154

Syinide no +1? wheres the love =0 no cookies for you sir!..jus kiddin, well i kept o ring out for morbid idea originally but i see your point..after playtesting it showed i could really use it, so ill make room for it when i get home (cant edit on Ipod)

December 1, 2011 5:49 a.m.

Vman says... #155

oops alreaqdy gave mt the +1 looool thx for checking it out again haha

December 1, 2011 5:56 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #156


December 1, 2011 6:49 a.m.

Vman says... #157

be backy tommorow to update the SB stuff posted here keep it comin guys

December 1, 2011 7:58 a.m.

DjinnOfWinds says... #158

i don't know if anyone mentioned it already, but you can go a tad of the solar flare route with Liliana of the Veil and Unburial Rites liliana will definatly help with the morbility triggers and board control. that's all of the advice i can think of for now, +1 from me to you

December 1, 2011 7:59 a.m.

Vman says... #159

i wish i could afford lily.....or another elspeth in that manner =P

December 1, 2011 7:59 a.m.

DjinnOfWinds says... #160

i know =( bitches always hurt your wallet.....even in card form

December 1, 2011 8:02 a.m.

entropy101 says... #161

lol what dose that make Jace, the Mind Sculptor the best planes walker we will EVER see printed

December 1, 2011 8:37 a.m.

Phobophile says... #162

well you certainly do have more money than me :D

it looks like for the most part you can deal with creatures easily, probably too easily.

consider dropping some kill spells, maybe only play 6 or 7 "destroy target creature" spells (i.e. Doom Blade and Go for the Throat ). and sliding in a few Oblivion Ring s or something similar. if you do decide to keep a shit ton of kill spells, maybe add more Skirsdag High Priest to fully utilize killing their creatures... during their end step.

also, and this is just my personal preference, i still think Roc Egg is a cheaper and stronger Mausoleum Guard AND you can bring it back with your Sun Titan .

I think i just have a soft spot for Roc Egg , no one seems to like it very much for some reason -_-

+1 to return the favor for you helping out with my deck:racial-integration.

December 1, 2011 9:03 a.m.

Steimtime says... #163

Roc Egg rocs! Thats actually a good idea to work synergy with Sun Titan .

December 1, 2011 10:44 a.m.

+1 this deck looks really good

December 1, 2011 4:35 p.m.

NiceGuyEddy says... #165

Deck looks pretty solid. I would go -1 Mausoleum Guard and +1 Blade Splicer , -1 Doom Blade -1 Go for the Throat and +2 Oblivion Ring . I would also try and fit another card:Altar's Reap in there. Maybe drop a land for it, 24 seems a bit high and the altars reap will help you get more land anyways.

December 1, 2011 4:58 p.m.

Vman says... #166

thx guys, added in Massacre Wurm to sb for now...i personally like 10 kill spels lol im gonna try to gte my handfs on sum o-ring (there hard to get on with all this white around) and playtes roc egg vs guard..keep it comin yoz....and....FNM IN BOUT 2 hrs!!!!

December 2, 2011 5:39 a.m.

Charlied1337 says... #167

timely reinforcements is an awesome card but with a deck built on tokens it might be hard to use it to its full effect maybe swap it out for some buffs for your tokens

December 2, 2011 5:44 a.m.

Vman says... #168

Charlied1337...first of all i like ur username =)..secondly i tried virtue like 2x.. it was dead draw over half the time..although it was good when i had shizload ended up being more of a "win more" card ya see...

December 2, 2011 5:47 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #169

46 ups, damn bro

December 2, 2011 6:17 a.m.

Vman says... #170


December 2, 2011 7:29 a.m.

you have too many comments for me to look through and see if this was suggested, but Falkenrath Noble could be fun. sac a Doomed Traveler by using card:Altar's Reap deal a damage, gain a life, make a token, draw two cards, make a demon token, and kill a non-demon creature.

December 2, 2011 9:08 a.m.

Vman says... #172

TheBearShaker lol not no1's sugested it b4..ill put it inder playtesting with Roc Egg tommorow =)....

dont 4get to le+1!! lol jks

December 2, 2011 9:10 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #173

i personally dun likethe roc egg here co it 3 to cast....thats good with titan..but that leaves ur 4 drop empty..and ur 3 drop flooded like ur 2 drop zone

December 2, 2011 9:24 a.m.

zebraface says... #174

Very nice deck. The only card that doesn't really seem to work in it is the Reaper from the Abyss. Yes, his ability is nice, but 3 black mana is very difficult to guarantee.

All in all, I'd replace him and 2 of the anti-creature cards (perhaps sideboarding the black sun's zeniths) with 2 more land, another Elspeth, and another Sun Titan.

Otherwise, a very nice deck! +1

December 2, 2011 9:57 a.m.

Riku580 says... #175

Since this is b/w deck, maybe add Heartless Summoning which let's you auto kill some of your own creatures and helps the mana costs of Reaper from the Abyss and Sun Titan and Mausoleum Guard . Or perhaps Unburial Rites to bring back everyone who dies to either their removal/counters or to bring back your fodder (which seems more of waste). I think it'd be most effective to have both in and to do so by dropping Mausoleum Guard and one each of Doom Blade and Go for the Throat . Then you five open to mix and tweek. I just dislike how it messes with your mana curve :/ +1 anyways lol.

December 2, 2011 5:17 p.m.

ikaruskid says... #176

I really like the CA you have going with Blade Splicer & Doomed Traveler in a Morbid deck. Nice idea!

Your results speak for themselves but the moment I saw the list speed came to mind: Heartless Summoning, Solemn Simulacrum, & Sphere of the Suns all seem like they grant a little speed to getting to those big baddies.

December 2, 2011 6:10 p.m.

Vman says... #177

@ zebraface as hard as it might be 3 black mana 6 drops are relatively easyk to get out here..the card:Altar's Reap seems to provide me the extra cards to choose from...not ever seeming to have a problem , iadded in Massacre Wurm to SB without hesitation.i wish i could afford another Elspeth Tirel i just got a lucky 1 from booster lol. @Riku580 and @ikaruskid thx for the sugestion, that makes me have an idea for my sideboard but ill have to test it out, although i dont really want o go to the haertless route, as 1 itl kill my tokens so ide have to change this deck almost by 70% which i dun wanna do..but that does give me a SB idea so thx bros. thx for everything bros!

December 2, 2011 11:36 p.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #178

what if we split the cost for another elspeth

December 3, 2011 2:37 a.m.

Vman says... #179

by spliting you mean hell noooo

December 3, 2011 3:36 a.m.

DukeNicky says... #180

Holy mother of Hell! Thats a loooot of comments!!! I do like this deck build +1 from me for the comment number and the general cool build. Might I suggest a second Sun Titan for returning more, or perhaps a Bloodgift Demon for card draw support? A Heartless Summoning could be useful as well I think

December 3, 2011 4:02 a.m.

Vman says... #181

DukeNicky ....Bloodgift Demon ..for the love of god. ive been sugesting him in numerous decks over the weeks..hes my fav. inn black card after Army of the Damned ...why the hell didnt i find him a spot here? guess i just 4got lol................loooooooooooooooooooooooool..................thx sooooo much lol...cant believ i 4got my fav draw power lol..ill fin dspace for him when i get home

December 3, 2011 4:04 a.m.

montazum10 says... #182

This looks like overkill, in a good way! I guess the only thing I could suggest would be, first, asking you how helpful Timely Reinforcements is with a deck like this because of how much removal you have. I understand you are heavy on the creature hate for morbid, but youre lacking some permanent removal. Oblivion Ring would be a fine replacement I think, you can still answer the threat thats hitting you or you can throw in on a planeswalker/something annoying you. Other than that, nice job! +1

December 3, 2011 4:53 a.m.

Vman says... #183

hmm @montazum10 i see ur point at timely....i never thought of it like that.. i usually dont really draw it much and when i do im unlucky with kill guess its just my luck. but luck doesnt last forever so im porbs gonna change it to haunting or o-ring....thx bro

December 3, 2011 4:56 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #184

i vote for haunting...o-ring breaks ur style =P

December 3, 2011 6:03 a.m.

SM1Elite says... #185

nice deck, +1

December 3, 2011 7:08 a.m.

MirranTitan says... #186

I plus 1'd for you. I feel like you could have Unburial Rites and possibly white praetor?

Morbid is a really cool mechanic. It feels really abusable, I like the deck a lot. Here's an artifact creature that poops out tokens when it dies Wurmcoil Engine and Myr Sire

December 3, 2011 7:39 a.m.

Vman says... #187

@ MirranTitan ah le wurmcoil..a good friend of mine.. ill consider him...Myr Sire is nice but my 2 drop zone is overpopulated already than u very much =P...Unburial Rites is sxc but ill check it...elesh norn A.K.A lady gaga i still have to playtest nd find sum of..thx bro

December 3, 2011 7:42 a.m.

MirranTitan says... #188

A lot of decks enjoy playing 2 wurmcoil engine, he's just such a huge threat, red deck hates him and so do most creatures on the ground.

Maybe unburial rites would be more helpful if you could dump creatures into the grave somehow I suppose... there's always Smallpox for that if you're feeling daring.

December 3, 2011 7:47 a.m.

braccobaldi says... #189

I like it! +1

December 3, 2011 9:01 a.m.

joaosp says... #190

it playtests very nice.

good job =) +1

December 3, 2011 3:04 p.m.

mccracka says... #191

Looks like a lot of fun +1. I just wonder if Reaper from the Abyss is overkill, literally. With all the kill spells you run is there anything left for him when he comes out? And if your opponent doesn't have any creatures out don't you have to kill off your own guys with his ability? Might not actually be a problem I'm just throwin around ideas

December 3, 2011 3:38 p.m.

I like this, it's definitely slow to play but that's what the cheap removal is for right?

December 3, 2011 6:47 p.m.

Vman says... #193

@mccracka reaper doesnt really overkill much and i do tend to play smart rather thasn random killing so its good ther...@DragonslayerXYZ haha yeah cheap removal is my friend..thx guys =)

December 3, 2011 8:42 p.m.

Vman says... #194

gonna get meh sum bloodgifts =)

December 4, 2011 1:08 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #195

ill givesh u mine

December 4, 2011 2:48 a.m.

Vman says... #196

by give u mean for full price.....

December 4, 2011 3:05 a.m.

shmedlap says... #197

i would consider adding 2 liliana of the veil to this. she loves activating morbid, and if she hits on turn 3, shes a real bitch for the rest of the game.

December 4, 2011 4:38 a.m.

Vman says... #198

@shmedlap yeah im trying my best to get sum of her..but shes not cheap ...not even close lol....but im trying so yeah

dun 4get to +1 if ya think the deck is sxc =)

December 4, 2011 4:40 a.m.

Vman says... #199

oh out for the night

December 4, 2011 5:10 a.m.

_poke_me says... #200

This one looks solid, +1 from me.

I've read most of these comments and I tend to favor Mimic Vat and Mortarpod . I know that Mimic Vat works because I used it along with Birthing Pod and it can do wonders. Angelic Overseer looks out of place, only because of your selection for mass removal (aka card:Black Sun's Zenith). I understand that your main treats are x/1s and x/2s, but when the occasion arises, indestructibility will not save her. IMO, use either Grave Titan or Geist-Honored Monk (good token generators).

December 4, 2011 7:37 a.m.

Rambon says... #201

Killer and devasting it seems. The priest with timely is so powerful, and hits so hard and early. Cool deck.


December 4, 2011 12:45 p.m.

jahosephat17 says... #202

super sweet deck. thanks for looking at mine! +1

if you want you could try one or two intangible virtue to boost your tokens. a 6/6 demon with flying and vigilance is pretty scary.

December 4, 2011 1:48 p.m.

bmh1012 says... #203

the only thing i can seei would personally do is swap the wurmcoil for the massacre wurms, but i can see why massacre is there! good deck +1 !

December 4, 2011 3:16 p.m.

crabopolis says... #204

the only suggestion for your morbid theme is maybe trade out Day of Judgment for Divine Reckoning teamed with card:Geth's Verdict or Tribute to Hunger . i would also -1 Mausoleum Guard -2 Doomed Traveler for a few Unruly Mob . that way if you must board wipe, you get a big nasty. +1 on the build

December 4, 2011 3:45 p.m.

GunG12aVe says... #205

looks nice! not a big fan of skirsdag, but it would work in this deck. Only suggestion from me would be to sideboard o-ring to get rid of pesky enchantments or artifacts. Otherwise looks great! +1

December 4, 2011 8:17 p.m.

CAO says... #206

lol. I surely think those 99 Alloy Myr would be a AWESOME addition to the deck!

+1. Very creative work here...

December 4, 2011 8:39 p.m.

masterpeez says... #207

I really like the idea of Geist-Honored Monk and Reassembling Skeleton . And if you can manage it, Hero of Bladehold would do quite nicely for a turn five win.

Something that might be fun to try out would be True Conviction . Nobody is playing it, but it seems good in a token deck.

Beyond that, the cards I'm thinking of require splashing other colors. One thought is Fresh Meat . Sac a bunch of tokens, get a bunch back. Another option is Moorland Haunt .

December 4, 2011 11:36 p.m.

jwel789 says... #208

Looks good, since you have so many token getting things you might want to add an Intangible Virtue in there somewhere.

December 5, 2011 12:13 a.m.

Vman says... #209

@_poke_me thx for going through the effort of going through the comments..i am trying out Mimic Vat atm...Mortarpod was in the deck at somepint but i took it out because it had a conflict with my other 2 drops..which ended up better tbh..thx for the BSZ/OVERSEER thing this leaDS ME TO doing this...moving Bloodgift Demon MB and overseer SB..when i SB in doj i move in overseer and take out BSZ and the demon...seems good to me =) @ jahosephat17 and jwel789 vitrue i had in once too but it was a dead card 1/3 the time...seemed more liek a win more card at times..and sumtimes a i lose card...@ crabopolis the reason why i have DOJ over reckining is that doj can be cast t4 knowing it kills everything if ide pair with sac, ill need atleast 6 mana out which isnt as awsome lol...Unruly Mob is sumtin no1 sugested yet so im gonna try that out and see how it works..@bmh1012 haha im actually trying to slip in le wurmcoil but space is always hard to find haha..@GunG12aVe yesh i hate oponent walkers/enchantments etc, so im taking out revoke and puttin that in..thx....@CAO yeah ikr 99 Alloy Myr would rape.@masterpeez im actually trying to get sum bladehold atm but theyr hard to get on.. the monk i have to get sum and try em out 1st for splashing idk...i like BW

thx guys 79 ups!! omg lol thx every1 this deck has evolved alot over time and is waaaayyyyyyy better than it originally was..keep it comin guys =)

December 5, 2011 4:53 a.m.

Vman says... #210

79 ups...beautiful =')

December 5, 2011 5:19 a.m.

Nomad0404 says... #211

You're up to 80 now :)

December 5, 2011 5:53 a.m.

Nomad0404 says... #212

One point when I play tested this is that I found Timely Reinforcements largely redundant because I always had more creatures. Suspect it's a sideboard card.

December 5, 2011 6:09 a.m.

Vman says... #213

@Nomad0404 haha thx for 80th up =))))))) i also noticed that timely gets used more for the lifegain lol...ill try to make SB space for it and put sumtin like Midnight Haunting in unless its a more aggro matchup ofc.

December 5, 2011 7:01 a.m.

Vman says... #214

ill be back tomorow to update on SB after askin for sum help on what to take out..

December 5, 2011 7:30 a.m.

Nomad0404 says... #215

Solemn Simulacrum + card:Altar's Reap I think would be a good combo for the deck. I know it's not a token generator but it does help with land and card draw.

December 5, 2011 8:34 a.m.

fudgeninja says... #216

ever thought about adding Culling Dais ? i gave it a couple run thrus with a deck of mine a while back and it comes in handy when your short of hand

December 5, 2011 1:07 p.m.

shawning says... #217

Firstly KUDOS for B/W :) When I saw just B/W it prompted me to really look at it because I've wanted to do just B/W for awhile!!

This looks like quite the powerhouse. I might put it together and do a little playing with it :) +1!

Also marking in my faves so I can mess with it. If I figure anything out I'll let ya know!

Thanks for sharing!

December 5, 2011 2:30 p.m.

Really like the deck. Not sure if there is much I would add herelooks solid. +1

December 5, 2011 2:54 p.m.

jkrink2003 says... #219

love the synergy in this deck +1 from me

December 6, 2011 2:12 a.m.

entropy101 says... #220

put the Oblivion Ring s in the main deckthey say non land removal there the best removal against most decks.

December 6, 2011 6:25 a.m.

Vman says... #221

ide update atm but im on ipod so its hard..i guess ill have toi do updating tommorow =)

December 6, 2011 6:48 a.m.

skittles says... #222

Okay, to be honest, haven't read all the comments, there's a lot. I don't know how updated the list I just saw is, but from what I saw, the deck seems good. I'm just not sure why Angelic Destiny is in the deck? I know it's a good card and when one of your dudes dies, you can pick it up and move it somewhere else, but it doesn't seem like angelic destiny is what you want to do. Also, you don't have any guaranteed way to stick it to a creature, so if they have instand speed removal, you can easily be 2 for 1'ed.

If the 4 Wurmcoil Engine in the maybeboard is a serious consideration, I'd strongly advise it. If it resolves, it just stabilises the board so well.

Finally, I like the Massacre Wurm for aggro (actually, seeing it in your deck makes me wonder if I want one in my side haha) but since you have access to white, have you considered Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite ?

Good Luck with the deck, +1 =)

December 6, 2011 6:59 a.m.

Black_Ice says... #223

Smart deck +1

December 6, 2011 7:38 a.m.

LeChaps says... #224

... Wow... +1 cuz it's super solid!

December 6, 2011 7:39 a.m.

Vman says... #225

ok got @Nomad0404 somelmn just didnt really get the cut as it didnt do me much when im losing lol but cant disagree that that combo is sum sweet draw...@fudgeninja Culling Dais is a great card but i tried it out before in the original version of my deck, and i learned that card:Altar's Reap ended just better @shawning thx bro! ill be making some updates on deck tommorow abt this time so come by to check it out (its a good 1) @skittles..first of all i <3 ur name..secondly, angelic destiny is here coz i almost never run outa critters..even after a doj or BSZ..but a 1/1 token doesnt seem so scary....but a 5/5 first strike angel token deffinately does! it keeps em scared..they waste removal on a damn token too haha. Wurmcoil Engine yes im putting him in mb or sb tommorow coz hes just too game changing...tooo epic...too sexy, so yeah...and for Massacre Wurm dun get me my meta -2/-2 means kill board against half the decks around (also explains why BSZ is on MB) so that does huge damage annnnddd triggers morbid for demon/priest..elesh norn..."lady gaga" is great but the 7 mana i dun like...i never found space for sheoldred for that same puspose...t7 i tend to go destiny and keep removal or so...but ill keep it in mind and playtest @LeChaps haha thx for liking =)...thx for everything guys and im updating tommorow at this time...updating alotttt!!!!

December 6, 2011 7:49 a.m.

jessetaverne says... #226

Looks alright there.

Some things i think would be appropiate are a Wurmcoil Engine or 2, Solemn Simulacrum s to get there(and fit your theme) and 1 or 2 Unburial Rites to keep them coming.

These additions fit the theme very well, the solemns give you insane value when sacrificed and at the same time help you ramp up to your wurmcoils, all these cards work well together in your deck.

Also i really don't know why you would run card:Black Sun's Zenith over Day of Judgment ever, except for when you know you're facing Thrun, but that's not a legitimate reason to mainboard them, and even in the sideboard i'd prefer geth's verdict and such.

That said, Day of judgment is great in your mainboard or maybe you want to go with Divine Reckoning , it's great together with the skirsdag high priest and your travellers and mausoleum guards and wurmcoil.

Sun titan doesn't truly belong imo and i think you have too much spotremoval, all in all, i would reshape as such:

+1 oblivion ring (a catch all is important, always something to hope or when in dire situations ;))

+2 wurmcoil engine

+2 divine reckoning

+2 unburial rites

+3 solemn simulacrum

-1 sun titan

-1 mausoleum guard

-1 doomed traveller

-1 dismember

-2 black sun's zenith

-2 angelic destiny (doesn't fit the deck IMO)

-2 go for the throat (not as good in the current format)

If you don't make this, i will :p

Also there's some synergy to be found between Divine Reckoning and Archon of Justice , because if you leave your best creature next to archon, you can then exile their chosen creature with the archon trigger, but i'm not sure it fits the deck/curve.

This all in thanks for your comments on my decks, hope it helps, i feel it should.


December 6, 2011 8:36 a.m.

jessetaverne says... #227

Also i found out i had already made something similar:

Blood for the Gods.

and i just went:

Turn 1 Doomed Traveller

Turn 2 Skirsdag High Priest

Turn 3 Altar's Reap -> Doomed Traveller -> 5/5 Flying demon.


December 6, 2011 9:40 a.m.

Nomad0404 says... #228

I also have a version of this deck I am hopefully going to test this weekend so it's based largely around cards I have access to.

I find that I also often go:

Turn 1 - Land

Turn 2 - Land -> Skirsdag High Priest

Turn 3 - Land -> Blade Splicer -> 3/3 Golem -> 5/5 Demon

December 6, 2011 10 a.m.

RiotMaker says... #229

Nomad0404, you realize a creature had to die for the demon to come out, right..?

December 6, 2011 10:04 a.m.

Nomad0404 says... #230

Read that wrong didn't I! LOL, so that's why I've got Mortarpod s in my deck as well..

December 6, 2011 10:20 a.m.

jessetaverne says... #231

Lol, nice one.

December 6, 2011 10:23 a.m.

Vman says... #232

@jessetaverne haha yeah im updating the deck now and added le Wurmcoil Engine MB and Sun Titan goes sb for when o-rings go in...SB tech chenges the deck by allllot how it works is in description now..ive also already made this deck and won me an fnm and 2nd in the other...going again tommorow for standard. archon is a good card, but overseer does better for white 5 drop an d bloodgift seems better for black, as i already have shizzzzload of removal lol. i keep Angelic Destiny in because i generate alot of tokens,and opponents dont like wasting a Doom Blade on a 5/5 first strike i am playing around with Unburial Rites btw.@Nomad0404 Mortarpod is genious but fights with my other 2 drops as ive tested it numerous times when people sugested it at different times...

December 7, 2011 6:03 a.m.

Ino says... #233

Looks Good. +1

December 7, 2011 6:34 a.m.

Vman says... #234

@Ino start making decks bro

December 7, 2011 7:58 a.m.

xXTDUBZXx says... #235

ya no this deck only has 4 cards with morbid lol. maybe you should call it w/b experement and some morbid too.

December 7, 2011 9:20 p.m.

Vman says... #236

@ xXTDUBZXx well this card used to have 4 high preists and 3 reapers...but the thing is morbid actually means yeah if ya look at my creat elim and stuff..still morbid enough =P

December 7, 2011 9:32 p.m.

xXTDUBZXx says... #237

ok ok i got you nice deck though +1 (as if it needed it lol)

December 7, 2011 9:34 p.m.

really cool deck idea!!!

I don't know how I feel about Angelic Destiny but I mean at the same I understand why it's in the deck just because of how strong it is. I really like your use of Innistrad cards too and I'll definitely check back to see how the build progresses. +1

December 7, 2011 10:28 p.m.

morbira says... #239

I like it so far. I'm a big fan of Dismember for its potency and flexible mana cost. Have you considered Heartless Summoning ? I know you're more focused on black control, but for a nasty army to hit the field you could combine it with a set of Blade Splicer and Skirsdag High Priest . Priest becomes 1 mana to cast and in the same turn you could drop a Splicer for 1 mana, it dies, you wind up with a 2/2 golem, but then Priest can tap that same turn for a 4/4 flying demon. 1 mana for 6 damage worth of creatures is pretty tempting in my opinion. Plus it'll lower the cost to drop and activate Demon of the Abyss and Bloodgift Demon as well! Lots of fun stuff possible here. What do you think?

December 8, 2011 12:22 a.m.

Vman says... #240

@ morbira i <3 Dismember alot too. it wrecked the format before but for some reason people these days take it out of there board coz it cant kill titans....but yeah its great. if ide put heartless here ide have to change about 65% of the deck so i might just spend sum ti;me tonight making a heartless version of this deck....thx for dropin by yo =)

December 8, 2011 12:26 a.m.

morbira says... #241

Anytime. Now that I've started thinking about the possibilities, I really want to make a mono black Heartless deck too. lol

December 8, 2011 12:27 a.m.

Vman says... #242

haha remember to post a link on my wall or here, ide love to check it out if ya do

December 8, 2011 12:31 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #243

ull be t 100 soon enough

December 8, 2011 1:08 a.m.

joshyd says... #244

perhaps some Intangible Virtue ? to make all those tokens scary?? +1!!

December 8, 2011 1:35 a.m.

Vman says... #245

virtue tends to be a dead card about 1/3 the time

December 8, 2011 4:08 a.m.

Nomad0404 says... #246

Can I just point out to anyone reading this that Mimic Vat doesn't work with Doomed Traveler The creature token generated by the vat get's exiled.

Doomed Traveller has to die, that is go to the graveyard from play.

The vat does, however, work very well with Blade Splicer .

I know it was mentioned way back at #57 but thought I would just point that out.

December 8, 2011 7:23 a.m.

Vman says... #247

lol yeah...vat was in here at some pint but yeah...not always the best thing...thx for pointing that out for ppl =P

December 8, 2011 7:44 a.m.

Aaronlul says... #248

+1.Nice deck Vman. Thanks for the help on mine.

December 8, 2011 8:08 a.m.

HanKYu says... #249

1 more to get 100!!! i already gave u a +1 so i cant help u there :P tomorrow we celebrate then after we beat jb in dota we celebrate again! NOW SHAKE, SHAKE, SHAKE THAT BOTTLE AND MAKE IT POP

December 8, 2011 8:47 a.m.

zebraface says... #250

I still say it needs one more land. I'd nix one or both reapers from the abyss, and possibly add another wurmcoil instead.

December 8, 2011 9:08 a.m.

Aaronlul says... #251

@Zebraface Why the extra land?

December 8, 2011 9:15 a.m.

Simonesan says... #252

love it +1

December 8, 2011 12:04 p.m.

caboose2900 says... #253

I really like this! +1. You should check out my morbid deck. deck:morbid-black-green

December 8, 2011 10:02 p.m.

Vman says... #254

@zebraface i have an extra Plains in SB for when i put in cards so no worrys bro. thx for +1's guys.....@caboose2900 thx and ill go check it out right now..

December 9, 2011 6:21 a.m.

Vman says... #255

of for the night...gonna link some BW decks in my description tommorow

December 9, 2011 9:26 a.m.

Vman says... #256

oh and thc for the 100+ ups ppl =)

December 9, 2011 9:57 a.m.

AlmightyDraw says... #257

I like black white decks I'm pretty sure dark ascension will give us good cards for that but meanwhile your deck is too mid range and has way too many spot removal. +1 go check my deck and +1 if you like ;) AlmightyDraw

December 9, 2011 10:20 a.m.

Possibly think about Reassembling Skeleton . Always nice to be able to keep bringing it back to chump block, sack, or repeatedly buff with Angelic Destiny . +1

December 9, 2011 1:40 p.m.

Vman says... #259

@BaseLineBanger last time i playtested skelly was when the deck was leaning on wrath..ill check it out again and see results...@AlmightyDraw the spot removal i need to stall long enough..this deck iasnt as fast as ya think really =P

December 10, 2011 12:58 a.m.

keshav says... #260

Nice deck, +1

December 10, 2011 4:05 a.m.

NiceGuyEddy says... #261

How can you play BW without Sun Titan , Unburial rights, and Liliana of the Veil ?

December 10, 2011 6:13 a.m.

Vman says... #262

@NiceGuyEddy Sun Titan is in SB for transformation mode (read description) because in vs controll mode it doesnt have much targets...lil isnt here coz i got no budget lol...for rights im playtesting but not done yet....

December 10, 2011 6:16 a.m.

Vman says... #263

lol just turned my hawkward private...sry bro but was just showing it to sum1 =P

December 10, 2011 6:17 a.m.

NiceGuyEddy says... #264

Was just trying to help! Sun Titan bringing Lil back is epic!

December 10, 2011 6:20 a.m.

Vman says... #265

yeah...hopefully i can get sum soon..thx dude..

December 10, 2011 6:27 a.m.

borosgruul2 says... #266

Batterskull would b awesome in ur deck. also, +1 man awesome if u can get that batterskull :p jkjk

December 10, 2011 1:08 p.m.

Vman says... #267

@borosgruul2...that is a very very very nice idea...ill get working on playtest right away...

December 10, 2011 9:47 p.m.

Jokernaught says... #268

Idk if your deck can take anymore advice. It looks pretty sound and formidable to me. I may have already given it a +1 but if a haven't it deserves it. Nice deck. I'd a appreciate your comments on any of mine. They're Modern/legacy but I'm always looking for fresh ideas and combos.

December 10, 2011 11:05 p.m.

Vman says... #269

@Jokernaught i just got a Batterskull comment b4 u and thats really getting me in playtest mode, im sure im missing alot of things here =P ill go check ur decks out but im really only gonna be able toi sugest zendikar up cards+a handfull of old ones....

December 10, 2011 11:07 p.m.

HydroFalcon says... #270

looks pretty solid to me. +1

December 10, 2011 11:39 p.m.

notinuse says... #271

Okay...lots to say here.

First off, it works. I'm shocked because I normally go for fewer types/mechanics/greater consistency, but this is just a downright fun deck to play.

Notes on playtesting:

This is a slooooow build. I'd be interested in your earliest turn for a win. As a result, I understand all the removal spells. It just gets kind of boring and hard to keep up if they're running tokens.

On the topic of removal, card:Black Sun's Zenith is BEAST and can end a game on it's own if your large flyer survives. The only consideration for this is that you need cheaper creatures or token generators to fill up after the wipe. Personally, I'd go for the cheaper creatures and keep my creature types to 1 or 2 to use something to pump them across the board.

Running Blade Splicer or anything that creates a token without a green side and Parallel Lives makes me sad.

While I like Wurmcoil Engine , it really doesn't fit the theme of your deck. Not to hate on it, while having Lifelink and Deathtouch is nice, it's really random here. I'd decide between that or Reaper from the Abyss and add in cards which support the card you keep. Also, there are far too many 2-drops.

Overall, +1. Lots of fun and can get pretty mean if you play it just right.

December 11, 2011 1:36 a.m.

KrazyCaley says... #272

I would imagine that Angelic Destiny probably actually gets hooked on to a creature much less often than you'd like. I'd suggest Reassembling Skeleton if for no other reason than to have a nice card:Altar's Reap target.

December 11, 2011 1:39 a.m.

burnsbabe says... #273

I think you should take a look at Intangible Virtue since you're pumping out so many tokens with Doomed Traveler , Blade Splicer , Skirsdag High Priest , etc. I'm also always loath to run a deck with white and not run any Oblivion Ring s mainboard. Though I understand that if you're really gunning for something heavy on the aggro.

December 11, 2011 1:39 a.m.

KrazyCaley says... #274

I don't think there's ANY deck that doesn't hate to see O-Rings. I would agree that they should be mainboarded.

December 11, 2011 1:46 a.m.

Jokernaught says... #275

Toss in a Dispense Justice or two. They always look sexy in a B/W

December 11, 2011 1:47 a.m.

Vman says... #276

@jbuck84 thx for that...well actually this deck is more midrange than slooooww...=P my early wins are t6-8 with mainboard and if i SB it can go much faster (heros)...Blade Splicer is in because its the best3 drop B/W creature i could find that helps this deck and i really needed a 3 drop...Wurmcoil Engine is here coz its just beast...if its removed i usually have an card:Altar's Reap in hand i draw 2. get 2 tokens and opponent just wasted 1 removal spell...haha win./.........the 2 drop problem i know about...its really bad but theres not much i can do about it, but i do try to think about subs every now and then =P thx for comin by =)

@KrazyCaley oh my gawd thx for dropping by..i love ur articles bro =P.. i do have alot of tokens out for destiny every now and then but i see your trying my best to clear some 2 drops so that skelly would have a chance..

@burnsbabe virtue ive tested before but seemed a dead card 1/3 the time..and it clogs my 2 drop zone even more =P..

o-rings are more of SB coz my meta is very aggro..not always do i have to deal with walkers so i tend to have cheaper INSTANT elim more..but ill consider moving atleast 2 MB

dun 4get to +1 if ya liek =)))

December 11, 2011 1:47 a.m.

notinuse says... #277

Nice, burnsbabe. Still getting used to Innistrad and I don't run white...ever. That card kind of makes me want to build a GW Token Deck.

December 11, 2011 1:47 a.m.

Vman says... #278

lol Jokernaught it does seem extremely SXC but i pretty much dun ever have metalcraft..well i do like 1 in 15 lol....

December 11, 2011 1:50 a.m.

Jokernaught says... #279

Its a good card even with out the metalcraft. Think about it. I didn't think it was all that reliable until after I used it in several close calls.

December 11, 2011 1:53 a.m.

Vman says... #280 doesnt really stop titans.......or birds.....or anyother mana dork...and they get to metalcraft kills 2 whcih is kidna much much better=P but then again we all have our opinions =P and it does get through hexproof...

BUT now that i think of it ...Tribute to Hunger ???? lol. i have 3 in SB so no probs i guess..

December 11, 2011 1:55 a.m.

Jokernaught says... #281

Tribute is nice. And I guess it is preferences.

December 11, 2011 2:01 a.m.

burnsbabe says... #282

@jbuck84 You wouldn't be the first person to run a GW Token deck. You'll want Midnight Haunting , Parallel Lives , Mausoleum Guard , and Doomed Traveler for sure. There are other good options too like Blade Splicer and tons of support right now. Just ask [[Gavony Township. My main deck right now is GW Humans. Not exactly the same thing, but I'm familiar with the archetype.

December 11, 2011 2:06 a.m.

djgunn says... #283

I would honestly run more Elspeth Tirel s in the deck. You're so token heavy that she could wipe the board over and over and over, and win you the game. She just seems really important to the over-all theme of the deck. And fortunately, she dropped price for the almost 30$ she peaked at a few weeks ago, to right around 20$ now.

I just traded the rest of mine away because some of my friends are playing tokens, and I really don't.

I like the rest of the theme, and the cards in your deck. I just thinks a few more Elspeth Tirel s in the deck would make it even better.


December 11, 2011 2:30 a.m.

Vman says... #284

@djgunn thank god shes going i can actually afford her...picking another 1 up probably on wednesday thx for dropping by and le+1

December 11, 2011 2:32 a.m.

djgunn says... #285

Oh, almost forgot -- I hate double posting :(

Check out all of my decks if you get a chance, but specifically these: Kali Ma, Gruesome Frog and Rotting Control if you get a chance.

December 11, 2011 2:32 a.m.

Vman says... #286

@djgunn dw about double posts on my deck..already has 286 comments so why bother =P haha..sure im checking them out right now

December 11, 2011 2:36 a.m.

Jokernaught says... #287

I just play tested this and I say "heck man why do ya need comments?" its golden. You got your exits covered. Control decks can't counter all your awesomeness and Aggro stops dead. Burn... eh you will take a hit or two but nothing you can recover from. Nice balance of mana and cost. You also hold over Ramps. I'd hate playing against it.

December 11, 2011 3:04 a.m.

Vman says... #288

@Jokernaught i like comments coz the deck changes....extremely slowy....but changes...i add in a new thing once or twice everyweek but thats how this deck became so good in the first place...its been dominating fnms (3 actually but dominating) and casual games are fun and awsome.. so thats why i try to keep comments coming (a guy sugested Batterskull today which im really considering, for example)

thx for playtesting =P its very sxc indeed

December 11, 2011 3:08 a.m.

metalmagic says... #289

Well, I +1'd because I like the deck, and I'm not really sure what to say about it. I'll probably end up making this online soon and testing it out to see how it does. I'm always looking for new decks to play, so I should be able to give you some better feedback later on!

December 11, 2011 4:11 a.m.

Vman says... #290

@metalmagic thx ill be aw8ting sum results =)

December 11, 2011 4:13 a.m.

escantia says... #291

Nice, looks like this deck would actually excel against the decks with the big bombs more than RDW and White weany decks. Lots of Removal. But for the few creatures you have it looks like it works. +1

December 11, 2011 6:29 a.m.

Vman says... #292

@escantia thats really what this deck does...thx =)

December 11, 2011 8:06 a.m.

sqrg says... #293

Sneakysick, i like it!

December 11, 2011 9:20 a.m.

Not even sure I have a suggestion. It looks solid! Thanks for looking and commenting on deck:tempo-20, +1 from me.

December 11, 2011 1:35 p.m.

Vman says... #295

thx guys...results on Batterskull arent clear yet btw so ill be playtesting in school tommorow and see how it goes =P

December 12, 2011 5:11 a.m.

Vman says... #296

Batterskull is showing favorable results tbh...might even be better than le Wurmcoil Engine buuuutt wurmcoil just says no to death

December 12, 2011 6:55 a.m.

Simonesan says... #297

your deck is awesome.Please comment my b/w, i started anew playing magic after 10 years! Any suggestion is welcome!

December 12, 2011 10:13 a.m.

_Spurr says... #298

I always feel that B/W decks are underplayed, because I like the combo a lot (coming from a guy who really likes R/U :P). Way to go!

December 13, 2011 6:58 p.m.

GunG12aVe says... #299

so... why do you have a plains in your sideboard? might be somewhere in the mass of comments, but still +1. oh yes, check out my B/G deck, hope to get some feedback on how to mod it. (

December 13, 2011 9:38 p.m.

Vman says... #300

@GunG12aVe theres a Plains in SB for when u move all those white cards in it to MB..itl fix the man problems ill have usually =P

December 14, 2011 5:18 a.m.

timeishell says... #301

Like the deck a lot man good balance of control and creatures. check out my Fungal Rampage +1

December 14, 2011 8:34 a.m.

indianking_3 says... #302

I like this idea! +1 from me. Just wondering if card:White Sun's Zenith might work in this deck since some of your cards tend to generate a lot of tokens.

December 15, 2011 2:14 a.m.

I like the idea of changing it up from black to white with sb. You said you like self replacing things so an idea might be Myr Sire . For some random tech Postmortem Lunge maybe after you Day of Judgment you can bring in a skirsdag from your grave and pop out a 5/5 demon flyer. Might not be that great, yet paying 2 mana and 2 life for a 5/5 flyer is not bad.

I could use some help with my deck deck:curse-craft it is a Red White metal-craft aggression with curse but could use some work. Anything helps. Nice build and explanation +1.

December 15, 2011 7:23 a.m.

Vman says... #304

thx guys..@indianking_3 even with the xtra plains and minus swamp card:White Sun's Zenith is just hard to use t6 i CAN get 3x plains and 3x swampy but thats alot to ask for consistently...and 3 cat tokens..w/o flying..or any evasion at all isnt my fav thing...@goldenrooster ..Myr Sire was in the original deck but i just noticed hoiw Doomed Traveler is like 1000000x better =P..Postmortem Lunge seems good though so itl be under my consideration

December 15, 2011 7:37 a.m.

ice_man says... #305

i love it! i wouldnt know what to suggest.. +1!check out my nacht der untoten i'd really like some feedback on it thx in advance

December 15, 2011 4:53 p.m.

Vman says... #306

thx for le +1 i checked ur deck out

December 16, 2011 5:49 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #307

120+ ups. no hope for top decks...yeaGO! no love for BW? lol jus kiddin =P

December 16, 2011 7:54 a.m.

awesome, i love this idea thanks for showing me. +1 and check out my other deck maelstrom cascation

December 17, 2011 11:23 a.m.

Hey man,

I have playtested the shit out of this deck with a few of my own, most notably my standard one which you commented on a while ago, deck:puresteel-paladins-entourage. I love this deck, it has a really strong tempo. But here is what I think will make it even better (and feel free to disagree, im not arguing against 123+ votes of approval! lol):

Take out both Timely Reinforcements and put them on the sideboard. You already have alot of creature removal, which will help the staying power of your current creatures. The Timely Reinforcements tend not to be so timely, and get drawn when you least need them. By the time it comes to play them, you will have played other more important cards first, your land count will be higher, and you should be playing something more signficant. Side them against an aggro deck that wont let up and that you need to stall.

Maybe switch them for Day of Judgment on the sideboard, and then completely take out card:Black Sun's Zenith. Your creatures aren't common enough in the high toughness range to really benefit from it, so you might as well wipe everything then lay in after.

Also, please take out a land. You have wayyyy to much for your curve. 23 would be just fine, 22 is probably even better. But that's up to you.

With those 3 - 4 spots, juice up your supply of either Blade Splicer s and/or Bloodgift Demon s. You need more fighting power to lay in the damage as you remove your opponent's creatures. Too often you only have 1 or 2 powerful creatures out, and they can too easily be removed by Dispatch /Oblivion Ring /Go for the Throat /Unsummon /Galvanic Blast , etc. Either beef up your creatures, or add Stave Off /card:Apostle's Blessing. You need to maintain your creature power presence instead of just having tokens floating around for chump/card draw/utility.

Otherwise, an excellent deck, well made B/W. Would +1 again if I could! (Also, if you get the chance, check out my main deck I use, deck:the-western-way-of-war-legacy-of-knights. It's legacy but always needs intuitive input!)

December 17, 2011 10:20 p.m.

rjg110 says... #310

You Need More Hand Control Add Some Mind Rot

Check Out My Deck: deck:a-true-vampire-deck-w-sheoldred

December 18, 2011 8:36 a.m.

damalcanator says... #311

Hey, I've commented on this deck before, and it has only gotten better since. I was wondering if you could help me with a deck of mine. I was trying to make a similar UBW version, but it didn't work out so I made it UB Demon. Could you look and give me some help?

December 18, 2011 11:16 a.m.

Vman says... #312

cant go on atm since on phone..ill check out every1s decks this week when i have time thoiugh..thx for comin by atm

December 18, 2011 4:57 p.m.

Vman says... #313

ill be home by thurs so hold on to yo decks till then =)) sry for delays, vacation =)

December 19, 2011 6:17 a.m.

Vman says... #314

ok nvm above comment im checking them ALL out now...ill be making modifications to ur comments on deck either tommorow or onm thursday..thx every1 and pls keep it coming...this deck is amazing and its really STILL getting better.

December 19, 2011 6:31 a.m.

rjg110 says... #315

Why Is This Not In The Top Deck It Should Be.

December 20, 2011 8:20 a.m.

rjg110 says... #316

BTW +1

December 20, 2011 8:20 a.m.

Vman says... #317

it should have been back at 30 ups tbh...but ive lost hope in that so w/e lol thx for le +1 ill look at every1s decks again tommorow or the day after when i get home =)

December 20, 2011 10:47 a.m.

Vman says... #318

finding subs for timely...any ideas any1?

December 21, 2011 7:49 a.m.

glg3nstlftw says... #319

more creature eilim!!!!!!!!!!1

December 21, 2011 10:29 a.m.

yeaGO says... #320


December 22, 2011 10:38 a.m.

Vman says... #321

thank god i can comment again.......decided to put 2x 0-ring in mb instead of timely

December 22, 2011 10:54 p.m.

montazum10 says... #322

Yes! I made a difference!

December 22, 2011 10:57 p.m.

Vman says... #323

haha lol

December 22, 2011 11:44 p.m.

TheLouie57 says... #324

I strictly suggest 2 more Dismember in place of doom blade. best kill spell in standard.

December 23, 2011 12:14 a.m.

Vman says... #325

its awsome but my meta has quite a number of titans, which Dismember cant kill...

December 23, 2011 12:58 a.m.

jessetaverne says... #326

Vman, the top 8 here works in mysterious ways. You have a couple of days from when you create a deck to get enough votes for the top 8, and if it leaves the top 8 after that it doesb't come back anymore. At least that's been my experience the last uear. So if I'm correct, there's no chance of your deck returning there. Also i don't beleeve your deck got 40+ votes in 2-3 days, i checked your deck at december 6th and it was already at 100+ votes unless my memory serves me very very wrong.

No offense

December 23, 2011 2:35 a.m.

Vman says... #327

firstly its not been in top decks yet, which confuses got 40 votes in 2-3 days like a couple of weeks? back that happened when i was told that top decks update by most votes in 2 weeks...well thats what ive been told..but yeah...its time to make a new deck and give it a try..people have been boarding against my deck in fnms lately

December 23, 2011 2:41 a.m.

Jokernaught says... #328

I think its a good build and that's the problem with FMN sometimes. Once you find a something that works well and can dominate, people start building against it.

December 23, 2011 2:58 a.m.

Vman says... #329

yeah.. i won 3 fnms and got 2nd in extended now ev ery1 packs hate against it i nspecific...ill post my new bw deck soon

December 23, 2011 3:11 a.m.

Jokernaught says... #330

Still going to roll with BW?

December 23, 2011 3:13 a.m.

Vman says... #331

yes..but a different route ill have it out in 30 mins or so..

December 23, 2011 3:15 a.m.

TheLouie57 says... #332

dismember still makes it a weenie... x.x but hey if you can't handle a 1/1 titan with that build i guess it can make some sense.

December 23, 2011 3:26 a.m.

TheLouie57 says... #333

that was a joke by the way.. you can chump a token for a titan and LAUGH HYSTERICALLY!!!

December 23, 2011 3:27 a.m.

Vman says... #334

its the effect...when it triggers it makes me cry...sun titan image or inferno hurts bad... and btw new deck is out!!!


December 23, 2011 3:29 a.m.

Jokernaught says... #335

no one even gripes about Primeval Titan . He is mana ramp at it's purest.

December 23, 2011 12:01 p.m.

Strangelove says... #336

I am amazed at how well you have trolled this deck by linking it in every single deck discussion

December 23, 2011 5:31 p.m.

Tian says... #337

I ing know right. It's annoying as . And now it's the featured deck...

December 23, 2011 8:37 p.m.

Kerz says... #338

Black and White is supreme.

December 23, 2011 9:10 p.m.

Vman says... #339

thx guys and i was suprised as hell on how it became that makes me smile =) im keeping this deck and gonna use it after porbably skipping 2 fnm's to lower attraction

December 24, 2011 12:57 a.m.

Vman says... #340

hmm any1 have ideas on Midnight Haunting over o-ring in MB?

December 24, 2011 1:08 a.m.

Jokernaught says... #341

I like Dispense Justice With your deck, it could be an elegant surprise as you wipe the smug grin of their face as someone solos you with a titan or a blightsteel and you lay that precious beauty on the table.

December 24, 2011 2:20 a.m.

Vman says... #342

its a bueautiful card but only have 1x wurmcoil for le metalcraft...which means no metalcraft unless sumtin really strange happens lol....but ill try it w/0 metalcraft vs my spot removal though

December 24, 2011 2:22 a.m.

Jokernaught says... #343

Its a nice card on its own and I played it without metalcraft and nobody expected it. It's one of those cards people forget about and then rediscover in legacy or modern. But then again each Meta is different. And maybe something strange will happen. Slicer and a Wurmcoil.

December 24, 2011 2:29 a.m.

Vman says... #344

oh yeah....thx for reminding....ill definately try it vs tribute to kill hexyproof/indi promises though =P

December 24, 2011 2:31 a.m.

Jokernaught says... #345

Just A suggestion. Sacrifice and B/W is like Peanut Butter and Jelly.

December 24, 2011 2:34 a.m.

TheLouie57 says... #346

As a newb to the site, out of respect for the supremacy of BW, I need help with my own build. Interracial Homebrew I've been working on it for awhile but never really had any outside opinions. Help?

December 24, 2011 3:30 a.m.

Vman says... #347


December 24, 2011 5:37 a.m.

Vman says... #348

not so sure about o-ring mb still....idk why though

December 24, 2011 7:06 a.m.

buffalo says... #349

i'd put in at least 1x Elspeth Tirel for the tokens and life bonus!

look into my deck:tokens-on-the-loose

looking sweet though! +1

December 24, 2011 10:40 a.m.

Vman says... #350

@buffalo im trying to get another elspeth(since price went down) but its vacation so yeah =P and i beleive u 4got to +1

December 25, 2011 2:52 a.m.

buffalo says... #351

I believe i do, so i did. ;) thx for the comment!

December 25, 2011 5:23 p.m.

Vman says... #352

<.< ok thx =) and ur welcome

December 26, 2011 1:03 a.m.

Vman says... #353

+1 Elspeth Tirel -1 GftT


December 26, 2011 11:47 p.m.

Strangelove says... #354

Fuck off. Don't post this deck on everyone else's deck link without even providing helpful commentary. You're a greedy asshole.

January 1, 2012 11:28 p.m.

ice_man says... #355

i love this deck. keep up the good work! hey vman do you mind checking out myraging extraction

January 1, 2012 11:53 p.m.

olowleye says... #356

well done'..i enjoy this deck quite well' in real life +1

January 16, 2012 8:17 p.m.

Vman says... #357

this was pre dka if u havnt noticed so making bw was extremely it seems much easier lol....either tokens,controll planeswalker deck etc...but when dka getys fully spoiled ill make additions to this deck sticking to its theme. thx for le +1

January 16, 2012 8:19 p.m.

Vman says... #358

any1 knoe if DKA brought anything new?

February 17, 2012 7:33 p.m.

Jokernaught says... #359

is a nice card for BW.

February 18, 2012 5:07 p.m.

Plummyr says... #360

Evolving WildsMTG Card: Evolving Wilds is back also for the mana if it's ever an issue. Vault of the ArchangelMTG Card: Vault of the Archangel plays off the colors.

Niblis of the UrnMTG Card: Niblis of the Urn is kinda fun but not morbid.

Sorin, Lord of InnistradMTG Card: Sorin, Lord of Innistrad plays well with Elspeth TirelMTG Card: Elspeth Tirel, and has the colors, but i don't like having more than 2x planeswalkers in a deck as a personal thing. But that's just me. I dunno man, it's pretty solid as is and I didn't see many things that stood out in DKA that would help too much.

February 18, 2012 5:42 p.m.

IAmKingTony says... #361

You'll want to run both but I dunno.

February 18, 2012 5:49 p.m.

IAmKingTony says... #362

Also could you check out my B/W deck? It's a Heartless Summoning based deck deck:shades-of-grey-3

February 18, 2012 5:54 p.m.

Vman says... #363

hmmm..i stoped using this because after winning so much ppl started brining the it seems to have cooled...gonna playtest Tragic SlipMTG Card: Tragic Slip vault souls townsfolk sorin and 2x curse tonight.

February 18, 2012 11:17 p.m.

Vman says... #364

have been sick so sorry for delays..ill post them tonight

February 23, 2012 3:36 p.m.

mizonator says... #365

Replace dismember with Midnight Haunting, then -3 Mausoleum, +2 Lingering Souls, and -1 Wurmcoil, +1 Batterskull, +1 Massacre Wurm. and -1 Swamp, -1 Plains for 2 Vaults.

February 28, 2012 9:56 p.m.

mizonator says... #366

Replacing Elspeth with Gideon has seemed to work for me also.

February 28, 2012 9:58 p.m.

mizonator says... #367

Replacing Elspeth with Gideon has seemed to work for me also.

February 28, 2012 9:58 p.m.

Hey man, this deck is looking awesome as always. Already commented on it before. I do have a suggestion though.. What about replacing your Black Sun's ZenithMTG Card: Black Sun's Zenith with Day of JudgmentMTG Card: Day of Judgment? With some playtests of this deck, as well as lots of previous experience with it (at least in my meta), it can be hard to have the necessary mana to effectively cast it. A DoJ allows you to effectively wipe the board (which is what you were already trying to do, right?) without a headache.

Not to mention, I really, REALLY think you should -3 Mausoleum GuardMTG Card: Mausoleum Guard and -1 Doomed TravelerMTG Card: Doomed Traveler for +4 Lingering SoulsMTG Card: Lingering Souls. It is a strictly better choice.

Also, -2 Doom BladeMTG Card: Doom Blade for all those black creatures (especially in standard) that it will be useless against, and +2 Oblivion RingMTG Card: Oblivion Ring, which is infinitely better in versatility. I wont try to sell you on what the o-ring has the power to shut down because im sure you already know that its everything short of a land :P

I playtested this deck against my post-extended modern deck The Western Way of War, and with these changes you would have won.

Finally, since you are indeed a B/W expert, you should take a look at my own B/W deck that i'm using in standard, deck:the-broken-battalion. It's part heavy hitter, part token emphasis. It could use your advice.

March 1, 2012 5:17 a.m.

Vman says... #369

ok well i didnt get tto update deck last time coza blackout and forgetting but now im gonna updatethe deck and add in dka cards...from sugestions im gonnatake out guards and put in souls..-2 DB -1 dismember -2 gftt +4 Tragic SlipMTG Card: Tragic Slip -1 plains and swamp for 2x vault

MB BSZ over DOJ is meta call..and my meta wants bsz...jus sayin

thx for input..playtesting sorin,urn thing..batterskul was great but theres alot of artihate where i am.also testing gideon atm...thx for input guys and ill check linked decks right now (after updating)

March 2, 2012 7:45 a.m.

Vman says... #370

working AWSOME..ill bring this to the next fnm see how updates will work

March 4, 2012 2:33 a.m.

Vman says... #371

added 2 more o-rings side and took out 2x tribute....decks with hexproof always seem to have stuff to sac so its worthless

March 8, 2012 11:44 p.m.

Vman says... #372

won first place at fnm this friday!!! those Tragic SlipMTG Card: Tragic Slips really pushed my t1 against delver alot and certainly helped against many decks...althoyugh i did lose to GW tempered steel though, any thoughts?

March 11, 2012 7:34 a.m.

mizonator says... #373

Why don't you do 4 go for the throats? and then for aritfacts sideboard divine offering or revoke existance?

March 12, 2012 9:52 p.m.

Vman says... #374

i split my elim coz i dun like givingg away game 1..and o-ring is my arti hate..well my everything hate tbh

March 13, 2012 5:42 a.m.

mizonator says... #375

yea o-ring has it covered, but i don't see what you mean by the giving away game 1 thing, can you explain more indepth?

March 13, 2012 10:17 p.m.

Vman says... #376

well sure, ya see i could go with 4 GftT but if I play against a deck with a shizload of artifact creatures i will have a huge problem...if i play with a set of doom blade, i will have the same problem...thats why i learned to split my elim, be ready against almost any deck in game 1... hop that helped clear things out

March 14, 2012 5:20 a.m.

mizonator says... #377

yea thanks, it helped man! Btw, i run a deck almost exactly the same as this but with like a 3 card difference, thanks for making it. Its very consistent.

March 14, 2012 9:49 p.m.

ireman4life says... #378

Cool deck man. Check out mine: deck:definitely-no-tokens-over-here It was a pretty wild playtest.

March 16, 2012 8:05 a.m.

Vman says... #379

checked out ur deck and left mah take, gl and enjoy

March 16, 2012 10:47 a.m.

Nice deck +1, looks like a lot of fun. I'm sort of newbish but check out my BWG token deck and let me know what you think!

March 23, 2012 3:50 p.m.

Nice. +1 Working on a low mana cost deck with tokens and sacrificing. Thoughts? Sac FTW with Tokens

April 11, 2012 1:51 p.m.

pfinch says... #382

Good looking deck. +1 It has given me some ideas for my BW deck:

April 23, 2012 4:25 p.m.

tedyo says... #383

nice deck! give me tips to improve my deck(please)!deck:strangle-you

May 5, 2012 10:24 p.m.

tedyo says... #384

thanks for the comment!

May 7, 2012 1:34 p.m.

Vman says... #385

yw haha

May 8, 2012 12:27 a.m.

Emrakool says... #386

Go morbid! Thanks for the votes man! If you want to link my W/B morbid tokens deck, Tenacious E - Tribute up top I'd appreciate it greatly. :)

May 16, 2012 2:41 a.m.

Vman says... #387

yeah sure, im thinking of pimpin this up again since im expecting 1 messed up fnm this friday, people are planning to take infect,wolf run, rdw puresteel..everything lol no1 knows what to play haha

May 16, 2012 2:44 a.m.

Emrakool says... #388

Probably going with my beatdown deck this weekend though it didn't fare well last time. Or taking werewolves. Still need 1 more Sorin, Lord of InnistradMTG Card: Sorin, Lord of Innistrad before the W/B is complete.

May 16, 2012 2:59 a.m.

Pan163 says... #389

Alright, look, this comment is not, like, a public comment, this is a fcking callout to some stupid assole on Tappedout. Alright, check this out. Some random stupid PRICK by the name of "Vman..." some long number, I think it's "Vman9876543," yeah, you cocks*cker, just randomly goes on my girlfriend's page and says that, "Your decks suck. And so do your's."

And so I told him, why don't you actually leave my girlfriend alone and make your own videos? And he goes on this whole thing telling Tappedout, "Oooohh, he's making fun of me! He's being mean to me! Nyah nah nah nah nah nah nah!" And then he says, he goes and makes an account called "SonicDudeSUCKS!"

Listen VMAN, no one was messing with you at all! You've got some fcking attitude issues if you're gonna sit there, on your computer, and flame somebody. What the fck did I do to you? I sit here, I make my videos. Did I ever call you out? I don't even know who the fck you are! You're just some stupid assole who doesn't have one deck on his damn, f*cking Tappedout.

Now listen to me! No one's messing with you. And you don't go on my girlfriend's page and call her, "my pretty!" If I was there, I'd shove a broom so far up your ass your mouth would be fcking clean. Now get the fck off my Tappedout, get off her's, and maybe you should just her off Tappedout because you're not even doing anything! You stupid prick.

I'm sick of this. It's what the fck is people's problems? They sit around on Tappedout, and FLAME, and FLAME, and FLAME, and TROLL, because they have nothing BETTER to do? So-fcking-rry that you just sit in your mom's house all day long, and sh*t in your pants all day.

Now I'm gonna tell you this one last time: QUIT IT. And you know what? And if any of you were able to copy down that name, go ahead and tell him off, because I'm sick of his ass.

August 9, 2012 10:58 p.m.

Hazem says... #390

Please give some feed back on my new deck Blue Black Control

August 19, 2012 6:48 p.m.

Hazem says... #391

Sorry thats one is not mine. this one is. :)

August 19, 2012 6:53 p.m.

Hazem says... #392

August 19, 2012 6:54 p.m.

Jokernaught says... #393

Just to let you guys know Vman hasn't been active for a while. Like a month or so. so @Pan163, I don't know who lit you, but it sure wasn't this guy.

August 19, 2012 6:58 p.m.

Pan163 says... #394


August 20, 2012 3:38 a.m.

Askani28 says... #395

Wow extremely solid deck! Orzhov colors are my favorite ;) +1 !

My only suggestion would be to throw in one or two more Bombs like Wurmcoil Engine or a Titan. Plus, both Orzhov Titans and the Wurmcoil help putting more creatures on the field to sac them and keep morbid going. But anyway, it seems perfect this way. I'm gonna play it as a character in QUEST MAGIC if you don't mind! :))

If someone's interested with playing the Mtg RPG, here's the link:


This deck is gonna rock through the game, can't wait to try it! :))

August 30, 2012 2:16 a.m.

Esmic says... #396

Hi! I was looking over your deck and love it. Very solid and powerful. I would like to build it but a lot of the cards are cycling out in a little bit. However I was inspired to build a black white that didn't have a basis around the exalted mechanic. and I came up with sorin in the sky I would appreciate if you could provide me with some feedback.

If not then, thanks for your time and +1 for a good deck.

August 30, 2012 3:43 a.m.

magicbananas says... #397

Sick deck. I'd recommend Bone Splinters though instead of card:Altar's Reap. For one mana less, you can feed morbid and destroy an opponent's threat.

September 5, 2012 11:57 p.m.

Vman says... #398

at Pan163 im sorry but im not "vman(uinsert numbers)" i have been unactive duting ur rant so yeah.. im a loyal member of this site and at most only get into arguements with flamy players..but noth rough... sorry for the uber late reply..

thanks for all the +'s guys ill be updating the deck after return to rav is fully spoiled to prepare my fave deck for rotation... and ...AM BACK BABY!

oh and eventhough its late ill check out decks posted....

September 14, 2012 8:41 a.m.

Ino says... #399

Im back!!

September 27, 2012 9:36 a.m.

Dragonman39 says... #400

I must say, I like what you've got here! It has given me an idea or two that I hadn't thought of for my W/B deck. Tragic Slip for instance... My deck revolves around sacrificing creatures, so that's big removal for a small price! I love it! +1 from me! If you have some time, please check out my deck:

I die, you die, we all die, bye bye!

Modern Dragonman39


. I would love to hear your thoughts on it! thanks!

April 13, 2016 7:36 a.m.

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