September 18, 2012 3:18 p.m.
Corpsejack Menace gives a solid progression enough to the Champion that I feel the two mentioned cards are unnecessary. Unless I'm getting them for their Miracle cost they're above my current curve and feel like 'win more' cards. If the Champion is able to stay on the field for two turns then things should be locked up at that point.
September 19, 2012 9:38 a.m.
It could use 3-4 more land, possibly something with an added effect, like Grim Backwoods or the unblockable land in rtr.
September 24, 2012 8:36 a.m.
maybe 2 or 3 wild defiance or increasing savagery
September 25, 2012 10:17 a.m.
More land or some card draw are the two things I'm looking at making room for.
With only four cards having colorless in their cost, both Grim Backwoods or the RtR land are mostly dead draws.
Wild Defiance I don't feel would really help all that much, but might be a sideboard option against some red removal. Increasing Savagery was a card I looked at and weighed against Hunger of the Howlpack, with the latter winning out because I can squeak out enough counters from it for a much cheaper cost. I would never be looking at flashing it back either.
September 25, 2012 12:05 p.m.
I think Primordial Hydra would be a better option 3 drop than Predator Ooze . The ooze's counter are conditional and limited. The Hydra is a easier cast 3+ drop creature who gets counters every turn and a lot more. Combined with Corpsejack it's a double cumulative. I would also mainboard the card:Ranger's Guile and sideboard or drop the Prey Upon . My suggestion would be drop Lumberknot also, and run 4 Primordial Hydra and 4 card:Ranger's Guile.
September 25, 2012 1:13 p.m.
This is similar to my deck, Counters gonna Count. Looks good! Mind if I maybe use some of your ideas?
The one thing I would recommend is taking out Predator Ooze . I had it in my deck, but it just wasn't consistently good enough. I would also recommend replacing it with Primordial Hydra , which can get very nasty very fast in this kind of deck.
Good job, +1!
September 26, 2012 10:48 a.m.
I'll be play testing with the Ooze and Hydra in the near future to see which tends to play out better in the new meta. If the Ooze does get cycled out then it'll certainly take the Prey Upons with it. I'm still going to hold onto the Lumberknot as only board wipes will deal with it. I get that the Hydra is more of a threat on its own, but out of the three Ooze/Knot/Hydra the Hydra is the most vulnerable. We'll see how it goes after playtesting though.
October 1, 2012 11:01 a.m.
Garruk, Primal Hunter would add some nice synergy to your deck, while also giving you some draw capability.
October 1, 2012 11:18 a.m.
Dont think Champion of Lambholt fits the deck due to it being about pumping up creatures instead of overrun.
October 4, 2012 11:16 a.m.
I agree I am building a similiar deck Golgari Counters and I had some champions in it to begin with but ended up taking them out for Vampire Nighthawk . The champion is nice in green/white token decks but with these decks you end up having a few creatures that end up pumped up bigger than champion usually. So, it's abilitiy doesn't do a lot in the end.
October 4, 2012 1:13 p.m.
Garruk is potentially a nice mid-game stall breaker, but I'll probably be dropping some Sign in Bloods for the card draw. Good thought overall though as Garruk does combo into the deck nicely.
In regards to the folks discussing the Champion, I'm not sure you're giving it it's due. It is one of the pieces of the deck that requires an answer almost immediately from your opponent. By making it so you can sneak in some decent damage against control decks and tokens alike it means that you have a huge amount of control over the amount of damage you want to send across. The Champion itself doesn't need to get huge to win games, just big enough to online itself to let other stuff poke through, which should really only require either a single Hunger of the Howlpack or two creatures with a Corpsejack out.
October 5, 2012 11:47 a.m.
Even better than that wud be to find a way to use corspe jack in this Green Undying Beatdown / deathtouch lemme kno wat you guys think of my deck compared to this one
October 16, 2012 1:59 p.m.
I think Llanowar Reborn is ideal for any deck that involves +1/+1 counters