- 3x Anticipate
- 1x Fall of the Titans
- 3x Glimmer of Genius
- 3x Negate
- 4x Shock
- 3x Unsubstantiate
- 4x Void Shatter
Hey. I love this deck!
If you'd care to, feel free to check out mine which is similar!
January 25, 2017 12:15 a.m.
I like your version! I chose Stormchaser Mage over Thermo-Alchemist and was very much rewarded with the number of planes walker kills the stormchaser got! I would like to try running more Disperses the next time, the bounces were always very crippling, but i think Shock will actually do a lot more for you than the fiery tempers. The only time i ever popped a Collective Defiance tonight was after i flipped a thing in the ice and made them discard their hand, i got lucky and the only drew lands but i don't think i'd ever run more than 2 and it was often sided out for better counter magic! It's def fun to play tho! good luck with yr list!!
January 25, 2017 12:28 a.m.
My deck is definitely built around Thermo-Alchemist so it is pretty much uncuttable.
Also, I am a big fan of Collective Defiance as mid to late game they are huge and allow you to refill with burn.
I will be attending my 6th FNM with the deck later this week so I hope to continue to make improvements!
Thanks for the advice!!!
January 25, 2017 12:49 a.m.
Yea i guess my biggest recommendation is Select for Inspection the card advantage gained by fevered visions is best used on cheap spells and Select let's you put their attackers back in their hand AND scry which is huge. Bouncing their biggest threat is a great way to keep pinging with visions and let's the game go long enough to kill! Best of luck!
January 25, 2017 12:53 a.m.
Thermo-Alchemist almost always better in these types of decks than Stormchaser Mage. The fact that Thermo-Alchemist can do his damage and still block just makes him better in my opinion. I saw you mention that Stormchaser Mage is good for killing planeswalkers, but Thermo-Alchemist can also redirect his damage to a planeswalker as well. He can actually disrupt the Copycat combo all on his own. Also you are maindecking Negate and a lot of other burn. I would be more worried about your matchup against aggro than anything running planeswalkers right now, hence I think Thermo-Alchemist is better.
Love decks like this though, and you did a great job on this one! Good luck!
January 30, 2017 11:58 a.m.
Thermo arguably wins over the mage on damage output over the game, since leaving mana up to respond is the primary strat for a lot of the game and thermo's damage is essentially unblockable. But i still would not expect to reliably get more than 2-3 damage a turn out of thermo. Stormchaser reliably does 1-2 damage a turn with flying. (In my experience people won't block an attacking prowess creature unless forced to.)
But unlike thermo, Stormchaser is a relevant blocker early to late game, because of that prowess. There are a lot of 3/2s going around (like Tireless Tracker Scrapheap Scrounger Veteran Motorist Selfless Spirit etc.) which all have to think twice before attacking into a player with stormchaser and mana up but can freely swing out into thermo & thing in the ice since i'd only have 0/3 & 0/4 blockers which won't deter attacks at all. Stormchaser can easily trade up against threats like an unbuffed Heart of Kiran off a shock. Tokens don't like attacking into stormchaser either. So actually, i think stormchaser is better vs aggro! Prowess let's stormchaser sit around n stall the game buying visions more time to work its magic and makes the mage significantly harder to remove than the alchemist.
The mage also has haste which can be relevant vs walkers since neither thermo nor the mage would be my top priority t2 play (if there are options like the thing or an anticipate into visions) and haste let's the mage keep the pressure up late when he's top decked.
All this said, i do see the upside in damage of going full thermo alchemist but the deck isn't big enough for both of them and i think stormchaser will prove to be more useful against more decks!
January 30, 2017 6:01 p.m.
There are of course arguments for both sides. In my deck, I have a more all-out playstyle so maybe Thermo-Alchemist works better for me than for you. Just be sure you test it out because I was in the same boat as you. I'll link my deck for you to see. I would really appreciate your input on it. Best of luck!
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January 30, 2017 7:50 p.m.
In my local meta, there is a ton of G/W tokens and various control decks. A surprising lack of aggro. Because of this, the Thermo-Alchemist is the better blocker as it takes care of tokens and is able to return fire by tapping at the end of turn. Also I have found it a lot easier to ping off annoying G/W planeswalkers with the Thermo-Alchemist as they trigger off instants which means you can kill them in response to a down-tick (Nissa, Voice of Zendikar's being the most common) as well as avoiding having to attack through a Heart of Kiran.
It probably mostly comes down to the local meta.
I also think it comes down to how you want to play the deck. If you want to play a more controlling deck as I do, I think the Thermo-Alchemist represents more net damage over the long game by blocking and pinging. If you want to play more of an Izzet blitz deck, I could see Stormchaser Mage being really good. In my opinion, if you are playing fevered visions, you are probably playing it more of the control variant.
Really sorry for the long ass comment and I am in no way telling you that your opinion is invalid. Just some hopefully helpful insight into how I evaluate the cards.
January 30, 2017 10:35 p.m.
i hear y'all about the benefits of thermo! He does put a faster clock on my opponent than Stormchaser Mage however i think he also would allow them a faster clock on me! I talk above about why the mage is a better blocker and having some relevant creature damage on the block while setting up visions & thing in the ice. Stormchaser let's me play removal more effectively so i can Shock or Select for Inspection one creature on a block and kill another with the mage & i think ultimately results in a better control deck!
I think in your reveler/madness deck Thermo-Alchemist is objectively better since you'll often be casting 2 spells at once, whereas this deck stalls and sets up a big damage spike (and stormchaser def helps with that!)
appreciate the input dudes! I may even do some mtgo matches testing out both creatures to see what works better practically! Thx again!
January 31, 2017 12:04 p.m.
Stormchaser Mage might be a better blocker and maybe even a better attacker with haste, but he can't do both. I think that is the main difference. Keep that in mind when you test. When I was testing, there were many circumstances in which I couldn't get damage through with Stormchaser, but Thermo-Alchemist would've saved me. So just watch for that. I'm taking my deck to Grand Prix Pittsburgh and FNM this weekend. So I'll be posting the results in my deck description so if your curious about how a deck like this will do you can check there. Best of luck in your testing!
January 31, 2017 2:29 p.m.
Yep that's his big drawback! but i like having lots of options so i can blame myself and not my build when things go wrong! :P
Def looking forward to hearing yr results!
January 31, 2017 2:54 p.m.
February 2, 2017 2:40 p.m.
I'm not a fan of Take Inventory especially without any discard outlets. That first draw 1 for 2 mana at sorcery speed will lose me so much tempo (and aggro is already a weak point for this deck) and it would be a horrendous top deck if it's not cast in the early game. Anticipate is just better and i don't need more draw once visions is live.
Dynavolt Tower is a card i've considered for a similar build. I'd probably want to throw in Glimmer of Genius and Harnessed Lightning to make it more efficient. But then i'm already looking at a higher curve and would probably want Torrential Gearhulks or something.
Basically Dynavolt and Fevered Visions fill similar roles in similar decks but i prefer Visions because Fevered Visions stack more effectively pushing the clock faster (yea more towers nets more energy but 10/15 energy a turn still seems fanciful) and the huge card draw is what makes the visions deck work.Running both is interesting but i don't think there's room without cutting creatures. Maybe i'd run two but i don't want to cut any spells. I'm very curious how dynavolt and visions decks will do in the meta! For now i'm betting on visions for its ability to punish decks with high curves but if aggro is still dominant then i'd bet dynavolt tower decks will be better!
February 2, 2017 6:26 p.m.
I'd recommend Compelling Deterrence if you want to bounce things. Cool deck c:
February 5, 2017 2:06 p.m.
I like Compelling Deterrence a lot and I was really torn between it and Unsubstantiate. I went with unsubstantiate because i think it's useful in offsetting tempo against more kinds of decks, being able to choose to either Remand any spell or bounce either my creature or their creature. I think it gives me more situational utility even though it can bounce planeswalkers // enchantments // artifacts once they land.
I've considered side-boarding it, because its more useful match-ups with enchantment removal because compelling deterrence can save my visions while unsubstantiate only buys it another turn and deterrence can bounce a Stasis Snare after its landed.
ButUnsubstantiate can still disrupt copycat combos and stops ETBs from happening which is useful against Winding Constrictor decks and Archangel Avacyn Flip decks and it can protect my Thing in the Ice Flip from nasty removal buying it at least 1 extra turn to flip. So I think the modularity of unsubstantiate will just give me more options in extending the game.
Plus the promo Unsubstantiate is sexy
February 5, 2017 2:40 p.m.
That promo is pretty sexy. But I was thinking Compelling Deterrence instead of Select for Inspection, Even though it's one more mana I think it's way better due to the unconditional bounce effect on multiple permanents other than tapped creatures, unless you really need the scry from Select for Inspection.
Unsubstantiate is great.
February 5, 2017 2:56 p.m.
I really really like the scry on Select for Inspection since it keeps digging for the lynchpin card Fevered Visions, keeps the deck consistant, and it curves better than Compelling Deterrence for flips, surge and prowess triggers.
Most of the time i find i will be bouncing attacking creatures anyway, since i have better answers to planeswalkers and artifacts than bounce and most decks in the meta rely on creature damage.
i think i will keep a couple in the sideboard, maybe even maindeck depending on what decks i play in my store on tuesday!
Thanks for the suggestion!
February 5, 2017 3:20 p.m.
Yea okai, cool cool. Good luck out there, may the Izzet decks win!
February 5, 2017 3:22 p.m.
Looks tight! I wish I had Chandra, Torch of Defiance for mine, she's awesome.
February 5, 2017 7:29 p.m.
Oh and btw Izzet is the best, I have more Izzet decks if you wanna check them out.
February 5, 2017 7:29 p.m.
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|Date added||8 months|
|Last updated||8 months|
This deck is Standard legal.
|Folders||Standard Ideas, Would-like-to-try Decks, Izzet Burn, Red Blue Thing In The Ice, Purchased Decks, Deck Ideas|
|Top rank||#12 on 2017-02-06|
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