Because BroHug.

With this deck I'm going for a full Group Hug with some Teferi-related love, mostly manifesting in every card with Phasing I could muster that could have some effect on the state of play - Breezekeeper would serve only as a headscratcher for my opponents but not much else. For Teferi-related flavor, I hesitate to put Barrin, Master Wizard in here simply because it doesn't seem to be in line with what the rest of the deck does - the same reasoning explains the lack of Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir.

Silly combo idea: Mechanized Production + "Investigate" keyword abuse, though it looks like I can get rid of Trail of Evidence ...or I need to increase the instant/sorcery count in the deck.

After a bit of thinking, I decided to remove cards like Sudden Impact, Fateful Showdown, and Blood Oath because the single target nature of them felt inherently non-grouphuggish. As such, Bulwark can probably also come out, which would make space for Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind. Yes, he's also a single-target card, but in conjunction with Forced Fruition and Consecrated Sphinx, I could spread the pain pretty well.

I would prefer, however, going for silly win conditions like Azor's Elocutors (though I currently don't have much of a plan for protecting them), massive group card draw + Iron Maiden ...the deck this is based on had Hive Mind with Pact of Negation and Pact of the Titan . If I put that back in here, I could also add Intervention Pact and Summoner's Pact to the mix. But...if I do that, then what else do I take out?

Thoughts? Suggestions? Accusations of insanity?



TristanmanDfsj says... #1

I think that not only are you running too few basic lands, that you are also running too few lands in general. Kynaios and Tiro synergize very well with lands, and making the most of their ability requires having a large land count, because you ideally want to use their ability to a greater effect than your opponents, even if it's for the sole purpose of hugging them better.

The other thing is that you are running a lot of group hug effects, even though many of them are sub-par. I would cut many of the weaker group hug cards, and keep the good ones. If you want, I can help you with that.

March 16, 2017 6:01 p.m.

ardilly says... #2

@TristanmanDfsj I can see where you're coming from re:lands, but the deck this is based on, Jhoira (of) the Git, only runs 27 lands and I've never had any major problems when running that deck - granted, Jhoira is much easier to cast, it's only a 2-color deck, and practically-guaranteed Suspension from turn 4-onwards makes it all much easier to play...which is why I bumped the land count up to 33 for this iteration.

I'm curious what cards you consider to be "sub-par" for group hug effects, and am certainly open to suggestions & recommendations for cuts!

March 16, 2017 6:50 p.m.

chaosfarmer says... #3

My first two big thoughts:

1) some of the cards are a little on the weak, "do too little" side. I'm thinking of puppet strings and disruptive student here as examples. 5 mana to tap something or just making every spell cost 1 more mana might be too little impact for the deck. There's probably a few others in there that could be cut for just not accomplishing enough or being efficient enough.

2) there's a fair number of mana rocks when trading some out for additional lands might synergize better with the commander's ability. Similar goal met of color fixing and ramp, but without having to cast anything to do it. That doesn't help the cutting process, but you could probably replace some of the rocks with a slightly smaller number of additional lands, so, maybe it helps a little? :P

March 17, 2017 7:43 p.m.

Lutachris23 says... #4

I don't know... Is it gay enough?

April 21, 2017 7:17 p.m.

ardilly says... #5

May 22, 2017 11:31 p.m.

Lutachris23 says... #6

That's pretty gay.

May 23, 2017 12:37 p.m.

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