- 4x Blackcleave Cliffs
- 2x Blood Crypt
- 4x Bloodstained Mire
- 1x Cavern of Souls
- 1x Dragonskull Summit
- 2x Mountain
- 4x Polluted Delta
- 4x Swamp
- 1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
- 4x Asylum Visitor
- 4x Bloodghast
- 4x Falkenrath Gorger
- 1x Sanctum Seeker
- 3x Stromkirk Captain
- 4x Stromkirk Condemned
- 4x Stromkirk Noble
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I really like this alot. +1. I feel compelled to as though. Why no Gifted Aetherborn? It deals with their best creature and lets you keep another one. Anyhow, I like this cool build.
September 6, 2017 3:51 p.m.
I want to. I really want to. There's just already a lot going on a two mana. I definitely have it on my mind. If you have thoughts on what to cut, I'm open to discussion.
September 6, 2017 4:53 p.m.
September 6, 2017 11:31 p.m.
hmm...perhaps 2x Stromkirk Condemned? I am not sure how it performs for you.
September 6, 2017 11:39 p.m.
cplvela0811 It is VERY consistently active as a two mana lord and has more flexibility than Liliana and Copter as a discard outlet. Even though all of them only activate once per turn, Condemned can activate at instant speed on any player's turn. The only mark against him is his late game topdeck value on an empty board. But most cards in our deck frankly aren't much better in the same situation.
September 7, 2017 2:38 a.m.
I actually would go with either another captain or the signleton Sanctum Seeker. In any other deck Kalitas would be my first choice but your deck's structure benefits more from the seeker. btw no Geier Reach Sanitarium?
September 7, 2017 4:46 a.m.
September 7, 2017 5:07 a.m.
Yeeeeeah. I see now. That was briefly between Eldritch Moon (Geier Reach Sanitarium) and Kaladesh (Smuggler's Copter). Copter essentially Negated the need for a clunky, slow land in a faster aggro shell.
September 7, 2017 5:16 a.m.
This is gonna sound kinda weird but I think you need more madness cards here. Ran a few tests and it feels like you don't have enough targets for your discard.
September 7, 2017 6:17 a.m.
September 7, 2017 1:41 p.m.
I think Lightning Bolt being Lightning Bolt will be more consistent than Open Fire we can Lightning Bolt only with a discard the outlet. You don't have to be super committed to madnessing things in. Sometimes you just actually discard things. Liliana and Copter never needed madness to make them good. We're. It plying them to abuse Falkenrath Gorger. We're playing Gorger to abuse them.
September 7, 2017 2:23 p.m.
Lightning Bolt can just be pitched, for the anthem. It will always be greater than Fiery Temper even in those niche situations. Alms of the Vein is just better if we were to truly examine that statement.
September 7, 2017 4:13 p.m.
Alms is useless and I cannot understand why people run it. Alms does absolutely nothing in terms of game state.
September 7, 2017 7:39 p.m.
September 7, 2017 10:18 p.m.
Alms does not affect the board state in any way. 3 life gain/loss is too small to be worth a deck slot. Alms is a dead card in hand in terms of actually affecting the flow of the game. The most it does is set burn back half a turn and even then it's extremely situational. Like so situational it really doesn't even merit sideboard play. Look at fiery temper. It can kill creatures, remove planeswalkers, or end the game every bit as well as alms can.
tl;dr fiery temper actually does something.
September 8, 2017 12:03 a.m.
If it did not affect the opponent at all and only gave you 4 life, maybe it would be a one-of. You need to offset burn's flow by 4 or more life to actually be useful even in that matchup.
September 8, 2017 12:05 a.m.
True. At that, I leave it to cplvela0811's explanation of Bolt over Temper.
September 8, 2017 12:10 a.m.
The explanation behind any sort of direct damage spell in aggro is to essentially "cheat" in a few combat steps. That is all. In all honesty, Lightning Bolt is far superior to all cards being presented before Happymaster19 regarding any sort of "damage/loss of life." Let's not get fancy and complicate the game when it deals 3 damage - directed anywhere - for .
September 8, 2017 1:31 a.m.
I feel that Fiery Temper is debatably better here purely on the grounds that if you're discarding for an effect anyway you can squeeze some extra value out of it. If this were literally any other deck I'd say Bolt is strictly better. But this is one of those rare instances where purely due to build synergy there's an arguably better version of one of the best cards in modern. With that in mind however, Lightning Bolt can be used at any time whereas temper needs another card to discard it (though it also gets points for being able to punish Liliana from your opponent). I just feel like you're wasting too many cards by having so many discard sources and not enough targets for them without going minus in terms of value.
September 8, 2017 3:08 a.m.
I mentioned before. Liliana and Copter never needed any special synergies to be good. Tribal decks are about creature synergies. Everything outside of that needs to be as independently powerful as possible. I will never ever ever be able to cast Temper on turn 1.
September 8, 2017 3:30 a.m.
Being able to cast Bolt whenever you want is a really good point. I guess it really comes down to if you feel 4 Fatal Push is enough.
September 9, 2017 4:47 p.m.
As opposed to something with more reach like Terminate?
September 10, 2017 2:16 a.m.
Love the deck! I decided to start putting together a Vampire deck of my own, though I am going more the madness route. I may be going too heavy into the madness, but I will see after testing. From what I can see of your deck, it's worth running a one of Sanctum Seeker with the idea of if you compare him with Stromkirk Captain as a top-end, he's a 3/4 body whether you have a board or not, and if you have a board, you get life gain on top of the extra damage. Beyond that, your deck seems to curve out rather nicely.
I love the Blood Moon in your sideboard, my main deck is a Rakdos Moon Control build. Debating if it would fit into my Vampire build as well, but it feels like it would come down too late.
If you want to make any suggestions, my deck is Rakdos Speedy Vamps. I'm on the first build, so I still have a lot of tweaking to do. The first of which is finding room for Bolt and possibly Push as well.
October 3, 2017 11:05 p.m.
Thanks, severininfurs! Seeker has been sweet when it comes up. Aside from following up a wrath, Seeker outclasses Kalitas here.
Blood Moon is certainly good enough to play. I used to have it in the main but it was shoved to the sideboard (reluctantly) as the deck evolved more into its current form. You could certainly let build a feasible Black Moon build.
October 4, 2017 3:16 a.m.
Really good deck, i have playtested and its really good, the only thing it is weak against anger of the gods and other sweepers, but other than that it perform well and its quick, aether vial or collected company are my suggestions for the deck.
November 3, 2017 12:22 p.m.
The concern about sweepers is there as much as it is for most any aggro deck. Having Copter and Liliana are good at extending game through those wraths. The sideboard also has a ton to bring in for control.
Ive given varying amount of thought to Collected Company and Aether Vial. I dont want to add a color and I dont think the vampires within CoCos CMC restriction necessarily support that plan. Thats also something most any tribe could do. Theres plenty of better things to be doing with that card than trying to force it in here.
Aether Vial just suffers from not having enough space. I find the non creatures to be critical. Vial isnt bad. I just cant find room in this strategy.
November 3, 2017 2:04 p.m.
Have to say, now that I'm getting back into the game, this is still seriously good. I've been looking to trade for a set of Copters but like no one has them. This is probably the best execution of the Madness vamps variation I've yet to see in just the flow and tempo and its ability to snowball. I had my doubts about Lightning Axe and Fiery Temper but in all honesty you don't need them when you're built like this.
November 26, 2017 6:22 p.m.
You know my deck has basically become really midrange-y in recent iterations. I'm trying to brew a Mardu variation just to play around with Ixilan stuff, being more aggro again.
November 26, 2017 8:48 p.m.
I could see something like Gifted Aetherborn, Vampire Nighthawk, and Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet to support a possible 2/1 split of Blood Baron of Vizkopa and Vona, Butcher of Magan. Maybe? I dont know. Im not sure I have enough confidence in any of the white vampires but it is something to be explored. All that lifelink can give you a little more room in playing cards like Sign in Blood, Thoughtseize, Dismember, and Anguished Unmaking.
December 1, 2017 12:47 p.m.
Hmm... At any rate I've switched over to the version 2 of my deck, being way more control-oriented with a lot of my muscle being in 2-drops, essentially playing vamps as pseudo-Jund. I feel like space is a touch tight all the same though. If I had 3 slots I don't even know if I'd add just more removal/hate spells or just some copters.
December 1, 2017 5:11 p.m.
While I wouldnt call Copter a bad add, its not a card that jumps to mind for that perticular build.
I do have a question regarding your lists but I dont want it to come off wrong.
What exactly is the game plan of your decks?
December 1, 2017 8:43 p.m.
I'm honestly trying to sort that out myself, having just recently come back to mtg. It used to be "Play a bunch of little guys, drop a lord or two, go to town", now with all this new stuff coming out I'm trying to get my bearings/find my place again. And that's not just new vamps, I mean the meta looks so different now than it did when I last had an actual playgroup.
December 2, 2017 10:39 a.m.
I guess what I mean to say is what links your deck together to call it vampires in a meaningful sense? Or is it just bad Jund for the sake of vampire flavor? Again, I dont want to cross a line. Just define the goal of the deck.
December 2, 2017 11:51 a.m.
I'm kind of just trying to figure out what I want to do with it right now and which direction I want to go in. If I want to be diet Jund with vampire flavor or if I want to be just a straight tribal again. It's hard to fit everything I want in either way.
December 2, 2017 12:31 p.m.
Makes sense. I think a Blood Moon variant could be a good choice right now. (Eldrazi) Tron, Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle, and Celestial Colonnade are major players right now and Azcanta, the Sunken Ruin could quickly join them.
December 2, 2017 1:17 p.m.
I'm kind of asking myself a few questions lately. Like I'm aware that I'm currently playing worse Jund. I honestly kind of want to just go back to straight vampire tribal where I just play a bunch of 1-2 mana beaters and drop a captain/nocturnus/whatever, it's just that space is soooo tight if I want to include all the good ones now and still have an adequate amount of removal. And then I ask myself honestly in the current meta, what actually is the better deck?
December 2, 2017 6:04 p.m.
Well more in terms of current modern meta. Like I kind of had the idea of following Jund's lead because it's an established strategy and I liked it because it really embraces the concept of Black as a color. A deck like yours plays so completely differently but it honestly is really nice in regard to synergies. I was of the mind at one point madness vamps should go all-in on the madness mechanic but now I'm of the mind that Bloodghast and Asylum Visitor are cards you'd be playing anyway, just run Condemned and Copters/Lilianas and play the rest of the deck normally.
Cards I'd want to run if I were doing straight tribal are some combination of Vampire Nocturnus, Stromkirk Captain and/or Captivating Vampire, Gatekeeper of Malakir, Gifted Aetherborn, Stromkirk Condemned, Bloodghast, Asylum Visitor, Stromkirk Noble, Vampire Lacerator or Falkenrath Gorger, probably Viscera Seer. I really like Olivia Voldaren and Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet but I'm not seeing them in most current vampire lists just because they don't fit the strategy. I obviously want about 7-9 removal (Push, Bolt, Terminate, MAYBE K command), and I feel like Liliana and Copter help here, but as you can see, 60 cards would not have space to do everything I want with this idea.
There's a classic version of my deck that was very tempo-oriented on my profile, before the madness cards started coming out. I was very happy playing that for years but now it feels outdated.
December 2, 2017 6:31 p.m.
Well once you get an idea of your meta, you can gradually converge on a direction and trim some names. Just make sure you stick to the direction you choose. Be all-in on whatever idea you end up on.
December 2, 2017 7:36 p.m.
I like this! I've got a very similar build over at Rakdos Vampires. Could you check it out and see what you think? Also, what do you think of Bloodhall Priest? He's a Shock on a stick, with madness, and a good body to boot.
December 4, 2017 7:04 p.m.
Thanks for the feedback, Silver_Lining2.
About your deck, how competitive are you trying to be and in what direction are you trying to take the deck?
Bloodhall Priest is not bad on its face but it starts to fall short if you compare it too closely to other vamps. Its too little damage and too expensive for aggro and being empty handed is not what midrange wants to be doing. Typically we can access damage easier by just stacking lords. We dont need to abide by any hand restriction to do that. Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet will gain you more life. Sanctum Seeker will reward you better for dumping your hand, Olivia Voldaren is evasive. Even some three mana lords will equate to better damage output.
December 4, 2017 8:51 p.m.
Happy, should we take our conversation about the ideas behind my decks elsewhere if you're talking with Silver now? (I looked at his deck, it's very... beginner-y).
Had a lengthy conversation with a serious modern player who works at a card shop I frequent (they host SCGs, and their inventory is impressive), he was more than happy to talk tribal with me. Another guy randomly comes up and says "Tribal is a noob trap", employee says "You play tribal because it's fun, and you can optimize it to a degree". Anyway, he said I should experiment and playtest a lot, but that he personally would go aggro and lean more heavy toward tribal and what it has to offer. He also did have something to say that really interested me. "Jund is barely a deck. Jund is an amalgamation of all the best cards in those colors, designed to beat as many decks as possible by just falling back on the best green, red and especially black have to offer. A lot of black tribals do end up leaning Jund-like at times just because it runs all the really great black cards and you naturally want the best in your colors. When you make a tribal modeled off of that, you shift away from the fact that it has mostly neutral matchups and you start to have good and bad matchups, which differentiates you a bit from the meta deck."
I'm paraphrasing of course but it was interesting food for thought. He was a big fan of running Insolent Neonate and a ton of removal to really capitalize on the red side. Also said Mardu might be worth brainstorming.
December 4, 2017 9:08 p.m.
YamishiTheWickedOne I want to keep ideas open to everybody. Silver_Lining2, you are free to make whatever comments you wish. If you have a more specific question, Id be happy to take that over to your page. Anyone is welcome to ask me general questions on my user page as well.
YamishiTheWickedOne I probably have opinions about Tribal that might be slightly absolutist. That said, I think you can be a black tribe without automatically having maindeck Thoughtseize. Obviously it always comes down to meta but there needs to be a focus on the gameplan. I think you could make a serviceable R/B aggro deck without vampires. Same goes for straight aggro, control, etc.
Being a tribe doesnt mean playing the biggest and best cards that happen to share a creature type. Being a tribe means working as a tribe. Its taking weak individual parts to create a machine.
So again to preface, my opinion is rather absolutist. Tribal doesnt sound midrange. You can have creatures of the same type doing midrange things, but the deck wont be doing tribal things.
December 4, 2017 10:38 p.m.
Like I said, I'm really not sure this is the direction I want to go in the long run. That classic version of my deck on my page is what I ran for years and it was able to contend with some serious heavyweights. But now I'm just really not sure what to do. If I make a new pure tribal with all these new cards, and admittedly, the synergies are really nice, it just doesn't feel like my deck anymore. I just feel sorta lost honestly.
December 4, 2017 11:09 p.m.
I'm so sorry! The deck I referenced earlier is not my deck, it just had the same name (I haven't used the site enough, I guess). Just go to my profile page, I'll have it featured if you really want to take a look at it.
Sorry about the confusion!
December 4, 2017 11:28 p.m.
YamishiTheWickedOne If the same deck works and pleases you, thats all you can ask for. I find the prospect of future upgrades exciting in any deck. You could go all out and just pick up the parts to switch between various shells as your meta changes? Do all the Vampire things! Make them all yours. Make your Vampire deck more than your 75.
Silver_Lining2 Thanks for the clarification. I shouldve caught that. Checked out the list. My thoughts are that Im curious about what you are doing with this deck. Are you going for something for the kitchen table, LGS, etc? If you can help direct me on the goals of your deck, Id be happy to take that over to your page.
December 5, 2017 12:05 a.m.
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