I made this deck with two main underlying elements in mind and hopefully they compliment each other in a beneficial manner. These elements are (1) counter spells and (2) creature removal. I've played quite a few matches so far with this deck, and it has only lost a select few...hopefully this trend continues lol.
Plea.se give me some feedback, good or bad. Thanks
Nice deck. Some things I might suggest would be raising your land count. 20 is too low for if you want to be playing control as you want to hit a land drop every turn. I would up it to 24-25 to start. Also something that might be cool/fun to try with so many of your creatures having 'when this dies' , or 'sacrifice' triggered abilities would be Nim Deathmantle . It would slow your deck down, but you wouldn't be losing board position after sacrificing your creatures to get their effect. Also Mana Leak is a must, especially with your lack of color fixing. That and it's just plain better than other counters available.
July 27, 2011 9:47 a.m.
Two questions then....what should I take out for the extra lands? And isn't mana leak leaving standard in September? What would be a good substitute for when that happens? Thanks for the feedback btw
July 27, 2011 10:35 a.m.
I'm pretty sure Mana Leak was reprinted in M12, you can check on gatherer. I would remove Blistergrub and Vivisection . Blisterbug is pretty weak as far as creatures go and Vivisection doesn't do enough. Yea you're drawing 3 cards, but you're losing board position and it only combines well with Oculus and Darkslick Drake and you'd probably want to trade those with opponents creature instead of to your own spells. You could add Drowned Catacomb to help fix your mana, they're really cheap now that they've been printed in 3 core sets.
July 27, 2011 10:58 a.m.
What if I trade the vivisections with jace's ingenuity? And if so, then what should I trade out for the mana?
July 27, 2011 11:11 a.m.
July 27, 2011 11:41 a.m.
Then where would mana leak and ponder fit in? There's only 3 vivisection and I'd like at least 4 mana leaks and 2-3 ponders
July 27, 2011 1:21 p.m.
I think it might be detrimental to mix control with low-cost creatures, but that's a personal opinion of mine. By your record it has worked for you.
I would definitely include dual lands in your board. Especially with the double-symbol costs of several cards in your mainboard, you want to guarantee yourself as high a chance of having the right color mana as possible. Darkslick Shores and Drowned Catacomb are typically 4-ofs in almost any UB deck.
July 29, 2011 11:09 a.m.
So you suggest putting some bigger creatures in the deck? What creatures do you suggest? And I am planning on getting more two color lands in the deck, money's just tight lol.
July 29, 2011 11:45 a.m.
If your creature setup works, then it works. However, UB's typical approach is to save early mana for control spells, then start playing more expensive creatures later on. That way you don't have to divide up your first 4 turns trying to decide to play a creature or leave mana open for an instant.
July 29, 2011 12:17 p.m.
I applaud you for making a deck work on a budget man and that alone gets you a +1. But onto the deck. Right now Frost Titan 's are fairly cheap and you could get one or two for a pretty good price. Also card:Black Sun's Zenith is not too expensive and against most aggro match ups is better than card:Life's Finale which is amazing in a control match up, which you have main is all based on your meta where you play. Also consider some hand control in the form of Inquisition of Kozilek or even Distress . Jwar Isle Refuge is a good cheap way to fix mana if you want a cheap alternative to the dual lands. Also consider Tectonic Edge as it will help you against most strategies that are common right now. If you can't get those Spreading Seas is an amazing card that will help you out as well and it serves as a nice cantrip. Preordain or Ponder are a must in any control deck and are very easy to come by. I hope this helped man and good luck to you.
July 29, 2011 3:26 p.m.
Thanks man. Definitely a help. I've been wanting ponders as wfell as others but as many others I'm broke lol. I'm working with what I got. Thanks a lot
July 29, 2011 5:56 p.m.
Some of the creature choices seem questionable. Belltower Sphinx , Quicksilver Gargantuan , and possibly Rune-Scarred Demon could all be better. Grave Titan is a solid performer in almost any UB board, and is currently dropping in value. Consecrated Sphinx is a great support card, but can be somewhat pricey. Wurmcoil Engine is another good one. Think in terms of what gives you the best utility and power in proportion to its casting cost. For example, the Belltower Sphinx is only a 2/5 for 5 mana, and the ability is only decent in very limited situations.
card:Black Sun's Zenith is a great control card, since UB doesn't have many other ways to board wipe.
Jace, Memory Adept is odd in this list. You don't really take advantage of mill with any of your other cards, and he's a rather expensive (both money and mana-wise) draw engine.
It might seem better to combo Jace with Surgical Extraction , but even that's kind of gambling, since their win-con may already be out.
July 30, 2011 4:33 p.m.
I have found jace to be a great. Asset to the deck. It helps me draw into my counters, creature hate, and creatures themselves. I am working with the cards I have and I'm trying to use cards from sets that don't go further back then scars so that the deck in its entirety will be legal after September. Its been winning plenty despite its flaws. Thanks a lot for the advice ...much appreciated
July 30, 2011 5:55 p.m.
over all really good! +1 for sure
If you could make some suggestions for my W/U/R control deck World Police it'd be great
July 31, 2011 1:26 p.m.
July 31, 2011 8:10 p.m.
card:Tezzeret's Gambit is a lot better than divination. same card draw, plus proliferationand i would drop the oculus for Merfolk Looter s, they help you get through your deck a little quicker
August 1, 2011 1:02 p.m.
You could drop 4x Stoic Rebuttal and add 2x Cancel since they're the same CMC and you only have 1 artifact, so you will never have metalcraft going on. That leaves you with 2 empty card slots, so you could add 1x Mana Leak and 1x Doom Blade .
August 10, 2011 9:04 a.m.
Jace, Memory Adept is not used to his full potential, since you have no way to abuse the 0and he's an expensive draw engine.
August 11, 2011 12:51 p.m.
March 15, 2013 5:17 p.m.
Good, but the mana curve is too high. Maybe a dual-land or one of the ravnica two-color basic ones, with some land fetch? Or Dark Ritual