+1 from me! This deck looks rly fun to play. I do think you should put in some kind of tutor for the Axis, as when I was playtesting it, I didn't get it in my hand as early as I wanted
September 26, 2017 7:32 a.m.
Hi and thanks a lot Snivy__
I added 4 x Painful Lesson in order to have a draw engine , hurt yourself AND still be able to finish off the opponent.
September 26, 2017 8:59 a.m.
I Mardufied the deck for both flavor and efficiency. Thanks again Snivy__ .
September 26, 2017 1:59 p.m.
Gideon of the trials ' Emblem can prevent you from dying while you are at 0...This could be instawin in a monowhite combo:
Gotta find some room for the white whipper.
September 30, 2017 3:08 p.m.
This seems pretty cool, gotta be a bit careful, but definitely looks fun. One note, you can't pay life you don't have, so be careful about thinking of getting the insta win with the Gideon emblem, you can't pay 1 life to Adanto, so make sure you're truly ready to go all in when you do it.
October 1, 2017 2:04 a.m.
@ dpsnedd thank you
Pain deserts can be used to deal only 1 point. And yeah it's kind of a suicide deck :)
Has anyone some ideas for more playability? Thanks!
October 1, 2017 6:17 a.m.
I love the idea, ever since the full set was spoiled, I dreamed of the dream draft where I drop this combo on some clueless fool's head. This deck does a lot of things well, but i feel that the combo can't hold itself up against disruption. May i suggest using Hope of Ghirapur as permission: attack with the thopter, sac it, then jam ur last combo piece. Its then almost guaranteed to survive until your upkeep; by then the ability on the stack and victory is assured.
October 3, 2017 3:34 p.m.
Elf177 thanks :)
The problem is that it will die to Sweltering Suns. But yeah I will think about that. I have not tested the deck in tournament yet.
But I definitely will :)
October 3, 2017 4:09 p.m.
And yeah you are totally right about disruption. My hope (of Ghirapur :p) is that control players will consider Gids and Chandra more threatening than Axis, because they are decent wincons on their own, and get killed by combo. And not the contrary.
October 3, 2017 4:17 p.m.
Wow I've got a toprank... first time ever. Thanks :)
October 3, 2017 4:42 p.m.
Hope of Ghirapur still doesn't stop your opponent from playing a lightning strike on your upkeep and killing you before the flip happens.
October 5, 2017 11:16 a.m.
The best way is to lower your life so that you dont get killed but enough to kill your opponent on your turn. Thats why there is gideon. And yeah must be cautious...
October 5, 2017 12:27 p.m.
I'm hesitating for a 4th Gideon vs 1 Glorifier of Dusk. Anyone? Thx
October 6, 2017 7:32 a.m.
Some updates, first tournament and... it WORKED! 3 wins, 1 draw (we didn't manage to finish, 1-1)
It worked as planned, both on combo side and Planeswalkers Control.
Axis is not a dead card, as it allowed me to win by itself without having to go down really low. It can deal a huge amount of "damage", and you can finish the opponent with your normal threats.
Vanguard was incredibely valuable. I lost my HP to counter wraths, Fatal pushes, Lightning Strikes... having this out T2 vs control can be a real threat.
Most of all, I had A LOT OF FUN playing it. It is really full of ressources. I just missed my gravehate sideboard in the last matchup but that will be adjusted next time.
UB Control (2-0), Grixis Control (2-0), Temur Energy (2-0)
Draw vs: Procession / Tokens / Eternalize (1-1)
October 7, 2017 12:57 p.m.
I'm dubious about Flame Lash. When I got it in the tournament it was so useful (I killed a Chandra with it)... But still "normally" a flavor card.Cut proved to be good too, maybe I should get 3 and remove the Lash.
Sideboard: Fatal Push out (suprisingly, I have enough cards to manage creatures already), Ashes of the Abhorrent OR Crook of Condemnation x2 in. The choice is tough, in play Ribbons and Ashes would lock it.
October 7, 2017 1:55 p.m.
Me likey likey!
Im thinking of the same concept as your deck but with Glorious End. End their turn, bolt myself then exchange their life totals. sweet! lol
October 9, 2017 9:18 a.m.
Cut // Ribbons seems great over flame lash, if the opponent doesn't derp with Chandra by casting something else or moving phases, you can't flame lash it before it activates anyway. Ribbons gives you another easy out.
Ashes is bad if you use it here I think cause it gives your opponent control over their health (they kill your /their own stuff in response to axis trigger) and it blanks your Ribbons. It also does nothing to Scarab good, so I think crook or one of the other graveyard haters work better in your favor.
October 10, 2017 3:21 a.m.
Another option in the lash spot is maybe Hazoret?
Keep us posted on your progress!
October 10, 2017 3:23 a.m.
@ dpsnedd: Ribbons does not damage opponent, it causes loss of life. therefore I cannot damage a planeswalker with it, and not even a creature (but with Cut, yes). Lash can do all for a decent price. But I still feel it like a flavor card.
I removed Hazoret from my sideboard because I don't own any, but it can be useful indeed. You may discard your useless cards with it, lower opponent's hp and planeswalker's loyalty, and it resists to wrath (including my own). So I think I'll look for one.
I feel like I need more wraths too. "Creature only" decks are really dangerous.
I'll make another showdown tournament , we'll see.
October 10, 2017 6:06 a.m.
Hello "followers" :)
For las saturday showdown tournament, I removed an Axis, Flame Lash, one Glorifier and tutor to include more control (see updated current list) but as I could have foreseen it , it resulted in a less combo oriented play and more aggro/PW.
That time I made "only" 2 - 2. Which is not so bad as my victories were against classical Temur Energy (2-1 twice) and my losses vs another rogue deck (Black Aggro that killed me with Kambal - too many hp lost - , Gonti who took my own Chandra, and the -1/-1 -counters deserts killed my Vanguards ...), which won the tournament, and Tokens (thanks to the clever sideboarding of Kefnet ...).
Still, I took at least a match vs each deck, my losses were really close, and that was pretty enjoyable (which is essential in a game...) and playable even vs official metagame. I realized I lost all rounds where I did not have the toss, too... HP control can be quite difficult sometimes :)
No Ramunap Red, again, so I still don't know.
October 16, 2017 7:35 a.m.
What about vraskas contempt? They knock your Gideon when your negative and you loose the game... This deck seems like a good idea, but mabye could use some counter removal?
October 16, 2017 9:56 a.m.
ikaros0101 that s why I have discard in the sideboard. Without blue no choice. I could test a jeskai version as everything else is boros. I will miss painful lesson though. And cut//ribbons. Less speed, less flavor, less interaction, but more control.
October 16, 2017 10:19 a.m.
Here you are:
October 16, 2017 10:59 a.m.
Bigger tournament last saturday, 3 wins 2 losses.
Won vs: vampires aggro, UB control, Sultai energy
Lost vs: Ramunap (twice...) but it was close. 2 1 vs black splashed and 2 0 pure red.I did not have a lot of luck on wrath draw, and mulliganed 3 times. Still maybe I need 2 or 3 sideboard cards.
All games were enjoyable (for me at least)
October 23, 2017 3:12 a.m.
Last saturday I tried -1x Glorifier of Dusk -1x Glorybringer ; +1 gideon +1 Sweltering suns.
I won ws Mono red and ... mill. I lost vs another mono red (but 2-1; manadeath for the last one. I won the first match blasting him out with a Painful Lesson, that was fun) and Second Sun (we piled up Gideons and cast outs..) . So 2/2.
The change was not that efficient, but the deck resulted cheaper so why not.I'll probably explore some other possibilities now.
Thanks for your help and support.
October 30, 2017 4:39 a.m.
hmm I guess, try to change Adanto Vanguard into Glint-Sleeve Siphoner then Gonti's Machinations...it slows down your life loss but it disguises your hidden wincon. if you keep on using adanto vanguard, they will have a clue on what are you trying to achieve.
you might also consider Exquisite Archangel. its expensive but it guarantees you a reset if in case youre about to lose.
well, these are my suggestions to your deck...im still simulating your deck and try to find efficient ways to win.
October 30, 2017 5:17 a.m.
usurphling Well in fact Vanguard is used many times for aggro reasons. It survives my board wipe, and once coast clear, Gideon + Vanguard swing... And if I swapped lives before, this is game. It's very strong by itself and I would probably play them if I went Boros control only.
I have made 4 tournaments in the same place with recurring 20-25 players so now they all now I'm playing this
Overall result is not bad. This pack proved to be good vs any kind of matchups except WU control which is really hard (-0-4 for vanguards, Settle the Wreckage vs Gids, counterspells vs combo and after 20 turns of Gideons/Cast outs I end up dead ) and of course ramunap, which is much less a threat with 7 wrathes on mainboard though.
The thing is that all adjustments make it less good vs some decks and stronger vs others and balancing it fairly is hard. It has a lot of tools indeed but I have to draw them. Sideboard being the key here IMO. Example "only" 2 Lost Legacy does not ensure that you draw them vs Second Sun or Scarab God. And depending on the matchup it's a dead card or a silver bullet.
Thanks for the hints anyway. I'll probably change decks for a while not because I dislike my deck, it's really cool, but as a rogue player I need to find some other Janky combos and interactions :)
October 30, 2017 6:08 a.m.
Black mana not being a problem at late game, i'm questionning a 4th Cut // Ribbons. It's a really powerful card in this deck and even in creatureless matchups you can discard it casting it on a indestructible Gids.
I moved back Gid's Intervention in Sideboard for the 4th Cast out, 1 random win vs say Second sun is not enough vs Cast out's versatility.
Any idea? Who can make the Cut? (haha sorry)
November 10, 2017 5:57 a.m.
I made the revision (current list is the one I played today) and WON the tournament! Yay. At last.
UB Control / Hailfire: No chance to win in first game, I conceded after going to topdeck mode and too many counterspells. G2 & 3 were easier thanks to heavy discard sideboarding. He conceded G3 after Lost Legacy (sorry :s). 2-1, 2 wins through the Axis/Vanguard Combo.
Temur Energy: The normal classical Temur build. Control was not very hard thanks to my board sweepers and spot removals. I never went below 5 hp. I made the combo in Game 1. For G2, I sideboarded the Axis out, because I feared some Enchantment and countermagic control and went for a faster aggro play. And it worked very easily. 2-0.
Ramunap Red: It went very well. For once, I correcly drew my board sweepers and I could make the combo twice and before he gets me. I finished him with Painful Lesson G1, which is always fun. I put Abrades in for G2, removing the Lessons and one cast out. I was in danger only on the last turn, he would have won with an Azoret draw. But he did not, so 2-0, and a lot of Red and Artefacts casualties. He was a very nice and fun player as always (thx).
Token Procession: Another rogue deck like me! It went as planned. I casted out the procession in G1 and was able to run the combo T6. For G2 I put the discard in (lost legacy and Duress) and I was able to remove his counterspells and Processions. I made the combo a few turns later, and finished the tournament first.
As usual, interactive and fun gameplay all the day.
Combo decks are not dead ! GP players, try this ! Winrate 14W-1D-6L.
November 11, 2017 1:20 p.m.
any suggestions to substitute Chandra? its so expensive for me lol
November 16, 2017 4:54 p.m.
Damage: Hazoret the Fervent
Card Advantage: vance's blasting cannons
Maybe the latest... Chandra is so versatile...
November 17, 2017 9:38 a.m.
2-2 only today
Not that bad though as my losses were 1-2 against sultai and azorius.
But for the first time I had colordeath problems, mainly for red. I guess this is the setback of playing 3 colors.
November 18, 2017 2:28 p.m.
So this is how I made the deck without Chandra. I would just list the ones that are different in your current build:
what do you think on those cards?
November 18, 2017 11:58 p.m.
As far as i'm concerned: vona is too expensive. So is the Gearhulk. But they are ways to get hp back... I think Vona would be far better in an BW aggro build full of lifelink (vampire tribal with the combo in).
Painful lesson: 3 is probably the right number. I went to 2 to test Cut but likely 3/3 is better.
Fumigate x2: another one of my dilemmas. Maybe 2 settle the Wreckage, 2 fumigates and 3 Sweltering Suns are ok.
Gonti's machinations: if you play energy forget about painful lesson and go for Live Fast. Nice alternative for a finisher (and I would probably play them in a BW build)
Arguel: 1 is ok. More than 2 is too much, it's expensive to use comparing to draw spells like Lessons or Live fast.
Vance: Ok. I would play 2 without chandra.
November 19, 2017 12:20 p.m.
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|Last updated||1 week|
This deck is Standard legal.
|Folders||Ixalan, Interesting Standard Decks, Modern Builds - B/R/W, For the Future, test, Combo, potential deck ideas, B/W Vampires, Mardu|
|Top rank||#18 on 2017-10-18|
Revision 9 See all
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|+1||Cut / Ribbons||main|
|-1||Glorifier of Dusk||side|
|-1||Hazoret the Fervent||maybe|
|-1||Arguel's Blood Fast||maybe|