Angels and Demons

I also want to include some Oblivion Ring s but I'm unsure where.

October 6, 2012 4:23 a.m.

It looks like a glass canon. But it should be fun to play. +1 here

October 6, 2012 4:59 a.m.

Cheers mate. It depends on what bombs I'm able to drop with Kaalia of the Vast that determines whether it's glass cannon or not.

If I'm able to get a Gisela, Blade of Goldnight out then pretty much everything that's thrown at me doesn't hurt that much.

I'm still looking for ways to make it a bit more defensive should things not swing my way, though.

October 6, 2012 5:53 a.m.

I love the deck dude and it seems very powerful and aggressive +1 from me.

October 6, 2012 1:34 p.m.

Angels of Despair and Serenity out, O Rings in?

October 6, 2012 1:35 p.m.

Oh you should throw elesh norn, grand cenobyte in the deck just to be a dick it would make your opponents creatures smaller and with gisella, blade of goldnight th at would be dusgusting and highlh effective.

October 6, 2012 1:37 p.m.

Oh you should throw elesh norn, grand cenobyte in the deck just to be a dick it would make your opponents creatures smaller and with gisella, blade of goldnight th at would be dusgusting and highlh effective.

October 6, 2012 1:38 p.m.

Yeah, that'd work. I'm still deciding whether or not to chuck them in though. That was originally before I had the Angel of Serenity s. I'll playtest with them in instead and see how it goes.

Thanks for the +1 user:king%20of%20the%20goblins!

October 6, 2012 1:40 p.m.

Hahaha, that would be fantastic when working with Gisela, Blade of Goldnight . The only thing is I wouldn't be able to cheat her in with Kaalia of the Vast .

October 6, 2012 1:42 p.m.

Use Unburial Rites or something on that level im sure ya can utilize her in some way to be a dick faithless looting reanimate idk it would be nasty, love the deck.

October 6, 2012 10:54 p.m.

Wow your deck looks a lot like my own! HUBRIS - Outrageous Arrogance I'm using ramp (Sol Ring and Demonic Tutor to fetch it) instead of Kaalia of the Vast to summon my angry bombs. And I don't have early control like your Lightning Helix and Swords to Plowshares ; instead I use Flametongue Kavu and Archon of Justice to block and burn/exile fast threats. I'm not sure what is best though. Your early control? Or my slower but tougher Kavu and Archon? Any thoughts?

October 9, 2012 7:22 p.m.

Thanks for the comment, man!

I guess it mainly comes down to the meta. It depends what other threats you're facing in your playgroup. For me, the Swords to Plowshares and Lightning Helix are great but that could be different else where. As for how to actually get the creatures out, I don't have to worry about the threats like exiling certain cards such as Surgical Extraction against my Kaalia of the Vast so just using her works well. I think the early control / removal is the best way to do it though, then you clear the path for your bombs in mid to late game.

October 10, 2012 12:44 p.m.

Like the deck try putting sneak attack in it. I use it in my tribal angels deck..

October 18, 2012 12:32 a.m.

Real fun deck my dude. Id use O rings instead of swords to plowshare. Your losing some potential life gain, but you already have that with the helix.

October 18, 2012 3:09 p.m.

@CapitalPunishment Sneak Attack would work but it's quite a change to the deck. Kaalia of the Vast is merely to get the big creatures out earlier whilst still safely, otherwise the deck ramps enough for them to be cast normally. Sneak Attack changes that approach with it's sacrifice drawback. Regardless, I'll give it a shot and see how it goes :)

@jmallette1 I agree actually. I've change the Swords to Plowshares to Oblivion Ring for now. We'll see how that goes.

October 20, 2012 1:39 p.m.

Rakdos the Defiler is outstanding with kaalia, when you summon him w/ kaalia, you don't need to sacrifice any permanents, but your opponent will.

October 21, 2012 6:50 p.m.

Yeah, very true my man but the problem is he can't attack safely afterwards. I'll give a playtest with him though and see how it goes. Cheers for the suggestion :D

October 22, 2012 9:33 a.m.

You don't need to attack with him afterwards lol

October 22, 2012 8:41 p.m.

well if you put Rakdos the Defiler on the board wiht kaalia he is attacking and as his card text is not declared as an attacker you do need to sacrivise half your permanents

October 23, 2012 3:46 a.m.

The text "Whenever ???? attacks" is another way of saying, "Whenever ???? is declared as an attacker" so no you wouldn't need to sac half the permanents. I still don't like the idea of having a 7/8 wall though..

October 23, 2012 4:17 a.m.

Also means I can't play my Rakdos, Lord of Riots if the other one is out.

October 23, 2012 4:19 a.m.

I have a Kaalia of the Vast Commander deck, and I've found drawing Lightning Greaves or Swiftfoot Boots is really important in terms of being able to stick Kaalia and successfully use her. Check out that deck link and maybe you'll get some other cool ideas from the variety of things I have in there.

October 23, 2012 10:48 a.m.

There's some great cards in there! I'll have to mix it around a bit and see how it goes. As far as Lightning Greaves goes though, do you think I should swap Cloudshift for them? The main reason I chose Cloudshift in the beginning was for the synergy that they had with a few other cards such as Iona, Shield of Emeria , Angel of Despair and Angel of Serenity .

October 23, 2012 11:04 a.m.

Cloudshift is definitely a powerful combo with those cards, and is also good for protecting Kaalia (or anyone else) from targeted effects. Whether or not to switch it out for Lightning Greaves depends on whether you want to keep the combo capability or just focus on repeatable defense and haste-giving. If I were playing the deck, I would probably make the switch, but that's mainly because I happen to like haste a whole lot better than the combo tricks. If you really enjoy playing Cloudshift, keep it in.

October 23, 2012 11:13 a.m.

Alrighty, thanks heaps for that :)

I've kept Cloudshift for now but may very well change them to Lightning Greaves or even go 2 of each.

Also, the other card I've remembered to help out Kaalia of the Vast is Eiganjo Castle .

October 23, 2012 4:41 p.m.

I like Rune-Scarred Demon better than your angel miracle thinger. If you can drop your demon on turn 5 with Kaalia, you can then find whatever card you need for the next turn.

October 23, 2012 5:01 p.m.

Consider Heartless Summoning .

October 24, 2012 2:41 a.m.

Needs Griselbrand for card draw.

October 24, 2012 8 p.m.

I think that reaper from the abyss would also be awesome in this deck and add a little more punch as well as more demon to it.

October 24, 2012 8:40 p.m.

@KaraZorEl - Rune-Scarred Demon would be nice, but if anything takes priority it's definitely Griselbrand . Also, Entreat the Angels is far too strong to replace in my opinion.

@AirlockFart - Heartless Summoning is an interesting one but since the deck revolves around Kaalia of the Vast I'm not too sure that it's necessary. As with everything else though, I'll give it a playtest and see how it goes.

@A_Person - He's already in the side board, man. And probably is going to replace Angel of Serenity in the main board.

@hehehembmw - I have to admit, his morbid effect is amazing! I'll definitely give him a shot. Cheers man.

October 25, 2012 3:22 a.m.

Wow, really strong, but maybe too much based on Kaalia. In my Angel-Human deck I use 4x card:Descendants' Path to play them free, but I don't see anything that could be removed...

PS: You'll probably like even the Admonition Angel ...

October 29, 2012 10:27 a.m.

I have another idea: what do you think about the Cryptic Gateway ?

October 29, 2012 10:29 a.m.

Cryptic Gateway looks like a great card, man. I'm going to have to figure out if there's anything I can take out to throw it in though. Seems like it'll definitely be fun, though.

November 1, 2012 9:08 a.m.

I like the idea. I always saw decks like that in EDH format, and wondered if they would work in classic format. Just a little out of budget XD

November 1, 2012 9:57 a.m.

add green elvish pipers. fixed.

November 2, 2012 2:08 a.m.

No Ian. No.

November 9, 2012 11:48 a.m.

You are my man... this is an awesome deck to have fun and make the opponent cry

December 25, 2012 1:59 p.m.

I know this is a little late, but you can actually have both Rakdos, Lord of Riots and Rakdos the Defiler on the field at the same time. The cool thing about legends is that they have to have the same exact name, unlike planeswalkers who just have to be similair types.

February 7, 2013 8:46 p.m.

I actually wasn't aware of that, to be honest. I always assumed it fell under the same category as planeswalkers. It makes sense not to though. Thanks :)

February 7, 2013 11:46 p.m.

Updated the deck to how it looks at the moment. Mainly to introduce card:Aurelia's Fury and Aurelia, the Warleader herself. Still kept all the other cards, just dropped their count.

February 7, 2013 11:54 p.m.

Just an idea... but wouldn't Quicksilver Amulet be better than using Rakdos? Everything would only cost 4 and with Avacyn out the amulet becomes very hard to get rid of - As a plus, your creatures aren't being cast so opponents can't counter them without getting rid of the amulet before it resolves.

March 22, 2013 12:15 p.m.