American Control

Modern caboose249

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Azure124 says... #1

You don't have enough win cons. You lose to a single Slaughter Games . You can look at my list angel's miracle for some ideas. I will explain any card choice I have.

October 21, 2012 3:28 p.m.

caboose249 says... #2

I have both Entreat the Angels and Devils play, and can always side in Niv-Mizzet or the Reaver and Isperia if they do run Slaughter games. What would another win-con be?

October 21, 2012 3:31 p.m.

Azure124 says... #3

Niv is good iseperia isn't a good card in standard as it dies to most removal. Jace, Memory Adept is a better choice

October 21, 2012 4:38 p.m.

cartwheelnurd says... #4

add either Geist of Saint Traft (mainboard) or Bonfire of the Damned if budget permits, which it very well may not.

sideboard Negate to deal with those pesky Slaughter Games .

your sideboard is all 1 ofs but should have every card there for a purpose. You should take out the carssa that are there for no reason and add useful things like Rest in Peace , Zealous Conscripts for the mirror or against planeswalkers.

make the jace/ tamiyo split 4/2 or 3/3 in favor of jace. He is better.

no Azorius Charm . use Izzet Charm . it is so much better.

October 23, 2012 3:48 p.m.

caboose249 says... #5

Thanks for the help! I kind of just threw the sideboard together, so I definitely will look at it again. I'd love to add more Jace or a few bonfire, if I can get my hands on them. And Wow, I forgot about izzet charm. Thanks for that.

October 23, 2012 4:20 p.m.

cartwheelnurd says... #6

no problem. Also if you could take a look at my deck The Standard Zombies i would appreciate it a lot. I am going to use it competitively and want to find out how to best make it work. Currently the big dilemma is whether to mke it faster or slower but more powerful.

October 23, 2012 4:43 p.m.

prophetryu says... #7

So why did you decide to go with Izzet Charm vs Azorius Charm ?

October 23, 2012 7:23 p.m.

cartwheelnurd says... #8

Izzet Charm 's abilities are much more useful.

First of all, it is a counterspell. In a control deck, that is going to be quite useful. azorius charm in this case has lifelink as an ability, but with the low creature count it will rarely do much at all for 2 mana. This ability will probably be used the most

Next, it kills creatures. In a standard with Huntmaster of the Fells  Flip , Deathrite Shaman , and many other creatures will be hell to a control deck, 2 damage is a great alternative to the counterspell if you are facing Slaughter Games . COnsiderably more useful than drawing a card.

FInally, izzet charm gives you a Faithless Looting . This may not be used as much, but t can dig and can also build up a graveyard for Snapcaster Mage to play with. WHile perhaps not as useful as temporarily removing a creature, it is still good.

Overall, I rank the 5 charms in this order:

5: Golgari Charm Bad card. It will not be played and its abilities are nearly useless.

4: Azorius Charm We have seen it is not so useful.

3: Selesnya Charm Can giva a token, so its useful in a vacuum. It can pump a Fencing Ace or Silverblade Paladin to epic proportions, and finally can deal with a Falkenrath Aristocrat or Wolfir Silverheart .

2: Rakdos Charm Is exactly what a rakdos deck needs in the sideboard. Graveyard hate, artifact hate, And a killing blow against aggro or tokeney deks

1: Izzet Charm As we have previously explored

October 23, 2012 8:07 p.m.

prophetryu says... #9

Let's see if I can reply successfully from my phone. izzet charm is a decent card but not for this deck. Faithless looting doesn't belong in this of deck either. You want to draw a miracle, if it was on your opponents turn even better. Izzet charm you can draw two cards then discard two cards. I feel like in this deck I can't afford to be forced to discard, even with my snapcasters in the deck. It also seems that aggro is so big right now that I would rather be able to send an attacker back vs counter a card they may or may not have. I would say it's not bad for a sb card maybe.

October 23, 2012 10:11 p.m.

caboose249 says... #10

I can definitely see where both you guys are coming from. I'm still play testing pretty regularly, so I'll be switching between the two charms and I'll report back on which works better.

October 24, 2012 11:52 a.m.

Azure124 says... #11

did you read the part where Slaughter Games can't be countered?

October 24, 2012 12:19 p.m.

prophetryu says... #12

I totally forgot slaughter games can't be countered. Ya izzet charm is def not for this deck.

October 24, 2012 1:25 p.m.

cartwheelnurd says... #13

izzet charm made top 8s in modern, and it fits this deck way better thasn azorius charm. The draw a card is useless in most situations, the lifelink is even less useful, and so what if you get rid of a creature? All the creatures you might be worried about will have good ETBs like Restoration Angel and card:Geralf's Messenger or Thragtusk . Azorius charm has 1 baility that will be used, plus cycling, and izzet charm has 3. Plus, don't nderestimate countering a Bonfire of the Damned . Also, Mizzium Mortars wipes out your angel army and izzet charm does not let that happen.

October 24, 2012 2:42 p.m.

caboose249 says... #14

I really don't see Slaughter games as a huge problem. If anything, it's a side board three of, but I don't one or even two slaughter games would destroy my deck.

October 24, 2012 3:22 p.m.

cartwheelnurd says... #15

I love the addition of Drogskol Reaver in the sideboard. If you play against an opponent who seems like they have a slaughter games, then put them in and they'll never see it coming. You can even board them out for the geists in the third round if you feel the need to.

October 24, 2012 7:25 p.m.

Frederick says... #16

You can't compare cards which are played in modern with cards which are played in standard. Delver of Secrets  Flip for example is much stronger in modern and legacy than in standard. But just because its played in legacy does it mean I should play it in standard? of course not. Azorius Charm is stronger than Izzet Charm in this deck. I run Azorius Charm and it works really well, its all about biding time. Izzet Charm is a tempo card, for tempo decks.

This is my deck - The Senate. I play against the top decks in the format and Azorius Charm is a big part of that.

F.

October 25, 2012 6:50 p.m.

Zhadowzlayer says... #17

Some inside advice. I have played 3 standard decks so far all with Slaughter Games in the side.Zombies,Jund, and now Grixis. I would see Drogskol Reaver coming. It's in about every blue white deck except Bant. Dont forget Tamiyo, the Moon Sage is a huge win con. Here in my locals, we all hate entreat and think its awful. Sever the Bloodline Mizzium Mortars Rakdos Charm all love those entreats

November 1, 2012 4:12 p.m.

Lustrigia says... #18

You need to make your own deck from scratch. This is in no way your own brew, and it doesn't look like you fully know how to play it.

November 1, 2012 4:19 p.m.

caboose249 says... #19

I'm not sure how you came up with either of those conclusions.

November 1, 2012 4:29 p.m.

Frederick says... #20

I agree, they are unfounded and baseless. I've talked to caboose249 outside of these comments and he does know how to play his deck, I don't see why you'd think other wise.

And to Zhadowzlayer, I can understand why some people don't think Entreat is the best card, but to say its awful is just plain wrong. Without going into why its not awful, at a base level if its run in the pro-tour and in a lot of pro decks, its not awful.

F.

November 1, 2012 4:36 p.m.

Lustrigia says... #21

This is Todd Anderson's original brew, and is now netdecked by many on Tappedout. Including yourself, apparently.

J. (lol)

November 1, 2012 5:26 p.m.

Lustrigia says... #22

All I'm saying is, you shouldn't be calling this "my standard deck."

November 1, 2012 5:27 p.m.

Frederick says... #23

This is Todd Anderson's original list:-

Maindeck: Creatures - 2x Snapcaster Mage . Enchantments - 4x Detention Sphere . Instants - 4x Azorius Charm , 2x Syncopate , 4x Think Twice . Planeswalkers - 4x Jace, Architect of Thought , 2x Tamiyo, the Moon Sage . Sorceries - 3x Entreat the Angels , 4x Pillar of Flame , 1x Supreme Verdict , 4x Terminus . Basic Lands - 2x Island , 4x Plains . Lands - 4x Clifftop Retreat , 1x Desolate Lighthouse , 4x Glacial Fortress , 4x Hallowed Fountain , 4x Steam Vents , 3x Sulfur Falls .

Sideboard - 2x Dissipate , 2x Negate , 2x Purify the Grave , 2x Sundering Growth , 3x Geist of Saint Traft , 2x Jace, Memory Adept , 2x Supreme Verdict .

Its not the same list, now move on.

F.

November 1, 2012 6 p.m.

matt2265 says... #24

Nice deck. Im currently siding supreme verdicts. Can you check out my american deck?

November 1, 2012 6:32 p.m.

Lustrigia says... #25

Only 2 different cards. /thread

November 2, 2012 10:50 a.m.

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