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A exploration of the Legacy Deck "Dead Guy Ale". Currently based on the lists of TCC (Tolarian Community College) and Jeff Hoogland.

Like most new players, I started in standard, enjoyed the game, and blissfully played, learning and honing my knowledge. After a year, I branched into modern and EDH. I found very quickly that I am not as skilled as an EDH player, I don't have the creativity or vision for creating brews in EDH as well as I did in standard. Modern appealed to me, it was fast paced, super charged, and lot of action. I flourished in the format realizing that it was the pinnacle of Magic. A couple friends tinkered with Legacy, and I refused to get on board, because I didn't have piles of money to spend on this game. I made a bastardized Affinity deck for legacy play to tinker with when my friends wanted to switch it up. My friends delved into legacy deeper, and left me behind, and I felt woefully out of my element playing against them. One of my friends recommended a deck archetype to me called "Dead Guy Ale" for modern, since he knew I enjoyed the format. I gave it a glance, but decided against building it. Fast forward two years, and I remember him mentioning the deck, so I delve into reading about its history and found that it was exactly the type of deck I would enjoy playing. However, I decided to follow the roots of the deck, which were in legacy and began to build a legacy version of "Dead Guy Ale." Admittedly, it is still a work in progress and I am learning more and more about the richness and diversity of the format. So while this is a deck list, it is also my adventure into the legacy format.
3x Bloodstained Mire - Fetch lands serve the twofold purpose of mana fixing, ensuring that you have the correct colors of mana when you need them, and thinning the deck. The more popular choice for this slot is Verdant Catacombs, which allows Dead Guy Ale players to splash green for Tarmagoyf and Deathrite Shaman. While I can see the inherent value of the two cards, I have always felt that the third color is risky in decks where you cannot control your draws. Decks running blue, have access to Ponder, Brainstorm, and Preordain, which solves many of their color fixing options.

1x Horizon Canopy - While I said I wasn't splashing green, the illusion of doing so creates some confusion for my opponents, perhaps lulling them into expecting certain threats that aren't really there. While this is a completely political move, the card does provide an additional white source of mana, another target for wasteland (which protects the lands I need most), and in the late game, it can be used to give me another draw outlet.

1x Karakas - The ability to protect Thalia, Guardian of Thraben against storm and spell decks is amazing value, but it also works against decks running legendary creatures, prevent them from becoming serious threats.

4x Marsh Flats - Black and white mana fixing, as well as more deck thinning.

2x Plains - Provides a solid option to play around Wasteland and Blood Moon.

3x Scrubland - While most would run a full playset of these dual lands, I've opted to add in an additional basic land, as most decks running Wasteland run a full playset, making these lands prime targets for land destruction.

1x Shambling Vent - This doubles as fixing for my double white or double black spells, and provides me with a body that can attack and gain me life post board wipe, ensuring that I maintain a threat on the board.

4x Swamp - More basics to play around Wasteland and Blood Moon.

2x Wasteland - A way to remove troublesome lands, creature lands, utility lands, or to shut my opponents out of a color of mana that I do not want my opponent to have access to.

2x Windswept Heath - More thinning, more mana fixing, but this provides me with an additional way to get just white mana for the spells I need it for.

4x Dark Confidant - Bob. Widely known for his power and ability. The ability to get extra cards off of him makes him a serious threat to my opponent. If left unchecked, he could provide enough card advantage to win the game. Additionally, he also applies pressure as he beats in for 2 each turn.

4x Stoneforge Mystic - The utility toolbox card, that fetches up my equipment that allows me to win games. Not only does it thin out my deck, remove expensive targets from Bob's gaze, but it allows me to put those threats onto the board at instant speed, but it allows me to dodge counter spells, protecting my equipment.

4x Tidehollow Sculler - This slot is flexible, but the Sculler not only strips my opponent of their hand, but it also provides a body with which I can apply more pressure to my opponent's life total. While there are other options for this slot, this card takes away threats, and keeps me in the game longer.

1x Gideon of the Trials - In modern, few Planeswalkers make the cut to be playable, usually they cost to much for very little advantage. In legacy, the cost is important, but they are able to make a larger impact on the board the longer they last. Gideon's emblem makes me a real threat if he is allowed to remain, and he must be answered before a deck can win the game. Additionally, he can be used as a beater when a clear path forward is available. While he is still new in the format, and his viability is still in question, I will be testing him out.

3x Liliana of the Veil - Hand disruption or an edict if I need it, she provides advantage the moment she hits the board. By stripping away cards from my opponent to removing singularly deadly threats, she presses on and impacts the board state in my favor. If left unchecked, her crippled my opponent's board state, making victory that much easier.

2x Collective Brutality - A utility card that can remove many of the most common creature threats in the game. While it doesn't kill everything, it does take care of the majority of targets that would otherwise be a thorn in my side. Additionally, it allows me to further strip threats from my opponent's hand, tilting the tide of the match in my favor, and in a pinch, it can keep me alive with a little life gain, or get in the last couple points of damage needed for victory.

2x Council's Judgment - A catch all for hard to deal with threats, with how voting works, I can remove such things as True-Name Nemesis or a Jace, the Mind Sculptor that has survived far too long.

2x Inquisition of Kozilek - Early hand disruption ensures that my opponent does not have answers against my later threats.

2x Lingering Souls - Evasive beaters, a perfect target for my equipment suite. With flashback, this card is a double threat, providing me with an aerial army.

4x Thoughtseize - Early hand disruption ensures that my opponent does not have answers against my later threats. This allows me to get any target, no matter the cost.

2x Toxic Deluge - An effective sweeper that trades life for -X/-X. Since I set the value of X, I can wipe the board in my favor, protecting some of my much needed threats. A fantastic resource against decks that go wide with tokens or small creatures.

4x Swords to Plowshares - Instant speed exile. The life gain to my opponent is barely beneficial when I can remove their key win conditions for a single white mana.

1x Batterskull - A powerhouse that helps keep me alive through extensive self damage and can close out a game quickly. Vigilance and lifelink serve to protect and attack to my advantage when I press the attack.

1x Sword of Feast and Famine - Many of the swords serve different purposes, and in the case of this one, not only does it disrupt my opponent's hand by removing cards, it untaps my mana for additional tricks, spells, and creatures.

1x Umezawa's Jitte - A testament to why Legacy is such an amazing format. This equipment is like a planeswalker on a stick. It can gain me life, remove threats, or pump up an attacker for the kill. Certainly a powerful equipment card that always trades favorable for me.

1x Batterskull - An additional piece of equipment, this makes the mainboard Stoneforge Mystics that much more relevant. Additionally, this helps me close out the games faster.

1x Containment Priest - A fantastic way to shut down Reanimator decks, Token strategies, and even Natural Order or Green Sun's Zenith. This makes amassing an army that much harder.

1x Council's Judgment - A third copy of the Judgment allows as another catch all for the difficult to remove threats of the format. This rounds out the deck post board to make the hard to remove targets less of a threat.

1x Ethersworn Canonist - When coupled with Tidehollow Sculler and my equipment package, I can come out on top, this slows the advance of storm decks, Elves, and anything else wanting to play multiple spells in succession.

1x Gideon, Ally of Zendikar - A great way to compete with token strategies and keep the pressure on my opponent's life total. Pairs well with Gideon of the Trials, making the emblem that much more valuable.

1x Grafdigger's Cage - Shutting down graveyards and turning off cards that fetching things from the library straight to the battlefield, this card gets in a lot of work.

1x Kaya, Ghost Assassin - The best planeswalker that can out grind Jace, the Mind Sculptor, forcing my opponent to discard while I continue to draw into answers and gas. Kaya is a beast.

2x Rest in Peace - The bane of Reanimator and Dredge decks.

4x Surgical Extraction - This card serves as the perfect accompaniment to my discard suite, allowing me to pluck the win conditions from my opponent's deck, hand, and graveyard; permanently removing their answers or win conditions from the game, making winning difficult or impossible at times. Additionally, against blue decks who will hide valuable cards on top of their libraries with a Brainstorm to protect them from my discard spells, this allows me to shuffle those cards away, inflicting double the damage of each discard spell.

2x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben - While she is a symmetrical effect, also affecting my board, she can slow the progression of storm decks, and keep them from going critical. A fantastic answer.

Suggestions

Updates Add

I've manage to expand my play testing to a large group, so I am able to pitch this deck against other decks and archetypes. As a long time modern player, I have always considered hand disruption to be marginally good. Within the confines of the legacy format, I am finding that hand disruption can push the game to go longer, which is how this deck wins ultimately, through the art of attrition.

I have been tinkering with the idea of adding Chains of Mephistopheles to the sideboard in lieu of the fourth copy of Surgical Extraction. I feel like that would be a fantastic addition for hosing blue decks. Currently, the cost of that addition is slowing my progress, but I have been testing with a proxy to see if it is an addition I want to add. I think at least a single sideboard copy is worth having as it hoses many blue decks.

I can say with certainty that the land base is correct as is. The mix of basics and non-basics affords me plenty of flexibility. I rarely have any issues casting a Liliana of the Veil or a Gideon of the Trials by turn three. As for the hand disruption suite, I may tinkering with it more, and explore running three Inquisition of Kozilek and three Thoughtseize to see if that gives me slightly better results with regard to the life loss. I want to maintain at least six to eight hand disruption spells though.

Well, that is all for this update. Thanks again to all who are following along with this Legacy journey of mine.

Comments

being what about Vindicate ?

try to playtest if you like: Flammendes Schwert 16

July 9, 2017 1:40 p.m.

@FlammendesSchwert

Vindicate is a card on my test list. The only downside to it, is that it doesn't hit certain troublesome things like True-Name Nemesis, which is very relevant among the players I play with, but overall, it hits most threats and is worth tinkering with. I will be happy to playtest against your deck list. Thanks for the suggestion and the list.

July 9, 2017 1:53 p.m.

If you've been toying with Spirit of the Labyrinth, you're probably much better off with a really light green splash and Leovold, Emissary of Trest instead.

I'm surprised the deck doesn't play Deathrite Shaman. I guess it gets in the way of turn 1 discard and you will always have something better to play turn 2, but it's still a super powerful card.

EDIT: By 'really light green splash', I mean 1 Bayou replacing 1 Swamp. You can fetch it with all of your fetches and as long as you don't fetch it unless you're about to play Leovold, it will never get wastelanded.

EDIT AGAIN: Wow I'm dumb. Forgot Leovold was blue. Ignore this.

July 12, 2017 6:33 p.m.

@ToolmasterOfBrainerd

No worries, I've done that myself, when making deck suggestions. I am kicking around the idea of splashing green for Deathrite Shaman. It would be an excellent addition to the list, I was thinking maybe a pair of them to see how they function. It would serve as a multi function card that could fill a lot of roles. In fact, my next update will cover my playtesting with Deathrite Shaman, so be sure to check out that update when I post it. Thanks for the +1 and the suggestions.

July 12, 2017 10:42 p.m.

I've been playing burn for years now and I think this would be a pretty annoying deck to play against. I do have a couple idea's for you to consider.

first, I would suggest either replacing the Bloodstained Mire with Verdant Catacombs or Windswept Heath if you really want to make your opponents think you're in green.

Secondly, If you don't want to switch out Bloodstained Mire you could always run switch in some red by replacing the Wastelands or Horizon Canopy and a Swamp with a Plateau and Badlands. This change would make it possible to include Lightning Bolt, Lightning Helix, Kolaghan's Command, Grim Lavamancer, Young Pyromancer or any of the other excellent cards in the color.

lastly, I would suggest including at least 3 Leyline of Sanctity in the sideboard

July 24, 2017 4:02 p.m.

@evanawesomer

The Bloodstained Mires were actually what I had, as I didn't have any Verdant Catacombs to use. I think swapping out the Wastelands are a terrible idea, as they shut down many non-basic lands in the format.

The Horizon Canopy discussion was more about the illusion it provides, not necessarily that I was intending to propagate that illusion, the card serves the primary focus as an additional white source, and a draw effect later in the game.

The addition and inclusion of red mana and spells would change the nature of the deck. The deck is quite literally Black/White good stuff. While I have toyed with some ideas or splashing a third color, currently I am keeping it primarily these two colors.

The inclusion of Leyline of Sanctity certainly is an interesting choice though. I have not come across a ton of burn decks in Legacy at my LGS, so I'm not sure if it is not a popular deck type, or folks here tend to fancy more blue control style builds. I will keep that suggestion in mind though. Thanks for the feedback and the ideas.

July 24, 2017 6:02 p.m.

Im glad to provide some suggestions that would help, I don't go to the same lgs you do so I wouldnt know what your meta is like there, but where I live burn is very common because of it's low cost and storm uses grapeshot for it's win con. If you start seeing a lot of these decks in your meta I would strongly suggest the leyline. Good luck and have fun playing legacy :)

July 24, 2017 6:27 p.m.

Sweet deck!! One thing is maybe straight removal, like fatal push or swords to plowshares?

August 3, 2017 10:51 a.m.

@ziggster

While Fatal Push is a card that I have been tinkering with on and off, I opted for the straight exile power of Swords to Plowshares, which there are already 4 of in the main board. Fatal Push does hit a lot of the same nasty things, but Swords makes sure that I don't have to waste twice as many spells dealing with creatures. Thanks for the suggestion.

August 3, 2017 11:13 a.m.

Hi yeah i missed the 4 swords

August 3, 2017 8:48 p.m.

Awesome deck, after watching Jeff's legacy videos of this deck I really want to make a version for my own playgroup

+1 from me!

August 7, 2017 6:11 p.m.

@Hunson_Abadeer

Tolarian Community College and Jeff Hoogland's videos really cemented my decision to start crafting (and recently complete) this deck. A lot of folks will argue that the blue decks in the format can outpace decks like this, and in some respects, they can, but many things need to fall into place for that to happen. That is where skill and tempo breaking come in handy, disrupting the alignment of their plans. While the deck isn't an answer to the legacy format, it is a fantastically fun deck to play, and provides a wealth of enjoyable games. If you can invest in such a build, I strongly recommend it, but be sure to read everything you can before building, as some of these investments are costly, and you really don't want to buy a bunch of stuff you won't use in the deck. I wish you the best of luck if you choose to build a deck like this. Thanks for the +1.

August 10, 2017 2:11 p.m.

TheGodofNight yeah the budget of this deck is out of my reach but it might be a deck I get over time card by card; I'm glad someone appreciates this deck as much as me!

August 10, 2017 3:27 p.m.

@Hunson_Abadeer

I was fortunate enough to have a decent trade pool of modern cards to expedite the building process. It's tough to know what is going to be good and what isn't, thankfully, I bought into a couple of really good decks that I was able to trade stuff from to complete this and still maintain a decent selection of playable modern decks. Even if it you do it one card at a time, it's still awesome to build towards it. And always keep an eye for new cards that might make the cut, they will drive some of the costs down. Best of luck.

August 10, 2017 3:35 p.m.

10/10 would bang

September 7, 2017 2:27 p.m.

I constructed a deck list of my own, ended up more similar to yours than I realized initially

I had splashed green for Deathrite Shaman and Abrupt Decay but I ended up cutting them. Council's Judgment seems like it'll do better than abrupt

Sick deck list, check mine out if you want. It's on my oage

September 24, 2017 7:27 p.m.

I made a sideboardversion against it.. but it's hard to win (40% change).

Flammendes Schwert 24

October 15, 2017 6:34 p.m.

I played BW Deathblade/Ale in legacy for years but when Deathrite Shaman (great with/against Wasteland and against Daze at the time) and Abrupt Decay (Miracles, Delver, etc.) were spoiled I immediately went green and haven't looked back. This allowed for Krosan Grip to make it into the sideboard as well as Maelstrom Pulse if I wanted them.

As far as the Ale/Pox/Deathblade archetype is concerned, one of the best cards to run is, in my opinion, Hymn to Tourach. The deck is good against Blue tempo/control, but the almost always 2 for 1 is rarely bad (opponents Brainstorm to hide the good stuff but what do you do? It's also a consummate Force target, so Liliana, Confidant, etc. have a better chance of resolving (even better with Shaman ;) )

Another card I like in the side is Gerrard's Verdict. One resolution against Burn is gg (if you're concerned about burn) and more 2 for 1s in control matches are always welcome.

Just my 2 cents

December 2, 2017 1:42 p.m.

I think it's not insane to include another copy of gideon, mainly because legacy is really heavy in abrupt decay, and just landing Gideon, activating his emblem and then passing into an abrupt decay with no other Gideon in the deck feels kinda bad man

January 6, 2018 2:55 a.m.




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This deck is Legacy legal.

Cards 60
Avg. CMC 2.11
Tokens 0/0 Germ, 1/1 Spirit
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-2 Wasteland main
-3 Liliana of the Veil main
-1 Sword of Feast and Famine main
-4 Tidehollow Sculler main
+1 Sword of Feast and Famine main
-4 Marsh Flats main
+3 Liliana of the Veil main
+2 Wasteland main
+4 Tidehollow Sculler main
+4 Marsh Flats main

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