All Nightmare Long (SBT Primer)

Commander / EDH* Lilbrudder

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Wholly shitballs —Jan. 4, 2017

The new Walking Ballista has revolutionized food chain sidisi brood tyrant. Hangarback Walker is the placeholder btw

It used to be that to win just off food chain+eternal scourge mana I had include a number of suboptimal cards in this list.

The line was to dread return into eternal witness, grabbing tidespout tyrant. Then from there I needed to cast tidespout, then exile and cast eternal scourge with food chain to bounce eternal witness with tyrant, recast eternal witness to grab mike. Bouce ewitness again in the same way to grab trike, then ping opponents to death with mike and trike. It was a janky finisher but a very fast combo.

Now my line is simply dread return into ewitness bring Walking Ballista to hand. Cast ballista for a million x with food chain mana then remove counters until opponents are dead.

Aside from being far less convoluted, I can now cut mikaeus the unhallowed, triskelion, victimize, and tidespout tyrant from my list. That frees up 3 slots and 20cc worth of useless fatties. Ad Naus approves. Necrotic ooze phyrexian devourer combo is even better since walking ballista now can self discard by casting it for 0. It also serves as a somewhat overcosted utility creature removal spell.

Somebody pinch me...

Lilbrudder says... #1

Speaking of Oona, have you tried out the new Dramatic reversal + Isochron Scepter ? From what I can tell its pretty powerful with her.

October 13, 2016 5:32 a.m.

Megalomania says... #2

It does look interesting but those are pieces (+1 mana rock) that don't exactly synergize well with the rest of the deck. They are also hard to recur and I can't think of ways to assemble it aside from tutoring every single piece. I can probably find a way to put it in the deck but that will require a lot of restructuring. Not sure I have the time and budget for that especially now that i'm building a leovold deck of my own.

October 13, 2016 8:39 a.m.

tw0handt0uch says... #3

Why tidespout tyrant? Seems an odd fit when the curve is already on the tubby end of typical ad-naus territory... is it a backup dread return target or something?

Good work though. I like this better than the mesmeric orb backup ive seen in HD sidisi.

October 13, 2016 3:43 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #4

Tidespout Tyrant is the only creature in my color identity that can win the game against an entire table with Food Chain combo. The full sequence is described in the bottom tab. Being an 8 drop hurts, but not enough to not include it. My tubbiness actually comes in handy with Necrotic Ooze combo too :-) with three primary combos I rarely have to dig as deep as most Ad Nauseam decks to get my game ending combo too.

October 13, 2016 3:53 p.m. Edited.

Pheardemons says... #5

would Gitaxian Probe and/or Peek be worthwhile in the deck to possibly see what they have in their hand before you combo off?

October 13, 2016 4:03 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #6

Definitely Gitaxian Probe since it also allows me to make a mini Doomsday pile of sorts with Memory's Journey if my plan A hermit druid gets shut down, but finding room is always the issue. I'll add it to the sideboard.

October 13, 2016 4:11 p.m.

Ever run into mana issues with only 30 land?

October 28, 2016 11:25 a.m.

Lilbrudder says... #8

Not often, but 1-2 more lands wouldnt hurt the deck. I mulligan pretty aggresively and also have the ability to drop a turn 1 Sylvan Library or Necropotence somewhat frequently and include cards like Ponder to dig deep on turn 1. If your not comfortable going so low you could always cut Intuition, Dark Confidant, and Lotus Petal.

October 28, 2016 11:36 a.m.

_person_ says... #9

ever think of replacing Fatestitcher with Prized Amalgam?

November 14, 2016 9:17 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #10

_person_: If this was a graveyard centric zombie build that was looking to grind value out of free creatures and/or turn sideways for the win I would, but in this deck Fatestitcher will always get me a creature in play for Dread Return and then untap the land I used to unearth it, whereas amagalam is only good for me IF I mill it before Narcomoeba.

November 15, 2016 5:29 a.m.

_person_ says... #11

I think that the hermit druid will resolve completely before any triggers can go on the stack.

November 15, 2016 10:01 a.m.

maddoxmtg says... #12

Actually, he is right. The whole ability resolves before anything triggers. Additionally, everything technically enters the graveyard at the same time. They are not milled, but rather set aside until the resolution is complete. It is more of a back up incase someone shoots hermit druid before your creatures enter the battlefield from the grave.

November 15, 2016 3:49 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #13

Wow thats good to know. My bad and thank you for pointing that out. The only reason I can see for continued use of fatestitcher over amalgam is that IF narcomoeba gets stuck in my hand I get nothing. I am running a ton of 1-2 drop creatures in the deck so rather than include both I am depending on mana dorks to fill that backup creature role. Either way its a very good suggestion. Thank you :-) I'll do some testing and perhaps make a change.

In other news, after playing around with Chord of Calling in other builds I am tempted to replace Intuition with it. Intuition is kind of an awkward fit and being able to sneak HD in on my opponents end step is pretty sexy. Thoughts?

November 15, 2016 7:15 p.m.

Pheardemons says... #14

Chord of Calling seems extremely mana intensive. Not to mention what would you search for it to win? Another Hermit Druid search? Intuition is another possible Necrotic Ooze combination grabber at instant speed.

November 15, 2016 10:08 p.m.

maddoxmtg says... #15

I feel like chord is great because you can also search up your necrotic ooze if combos are in the grave already. also, instant speed hermit druid is awesome.

November 16, 2016 3:38 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #16

They are both great cards. I think Intuition is a better card, but instant speed HD is really nice and it synergizes better with cheap creatures.

November 17, 2016 10:46 p.m.

CivilizedSin says... #17

Absolutely BEAUTIFUL list. Well done! Have you considered Riftsweeper as an option for recovering flashbacked pieces should things go wrong?

December 16, 2016 7:54 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #18

CivilizedSin: Thank you bro! I spent more time on this list than all my other lists combined. It taught how to play cEDH. It will always be one of my favorite decks. I have not traditionally been a fan of Riftsweeper effects for this deck due to my concentration of win conditions but I will definitely consider it going forward

December 17, 2016 1:31 a.m.

CivilizedSin says... #19

You've actually convinced me to update my Sidisi list to take this route. Currently I'm running the midrange horde-based strategy with some combos as backup, but this looks soul-crushing to play and I love it. I think I'll have to redirect some of the cards to a second Grimgrin, Corpse-Born EDH deck, but I thank you wholeheartedly for the inspiration.

December 19, 2016 2:07 p.m.

Lilbrudder says... #20

You are most welcome :-)

December 19, 2016 3:18 p.m.