One with Nothing

Commander / EDH Romer


Update 3: RIX —Jan. 20, 2018

Adding a couple cards from Rivals of Ixalan and a couple other replacements:

geekmp3 says... #1

I love discard in EDH. Have you considered Planar Void for instead of Leyline of the Void? I know it hits you too but is pretty cheap!

September 18, 2017 8:01 p.m.

Phenix says... #2

Since you're using Crypt Ghast, why won't you add Nirkana Revenant to ramp ?

September 29, 2017 5:53 a.m.

majorappliance says... #3

you didnt wanna combo off with Bloodchief Ascension + Mindcrank? I gues its technically not a discard win.

November 4, 2017 12:21 a.m.

Kaleo42 says... #4

This amuses me. I'm sure there are many potential versions of this but the best version will be mostly based on what you play against. What kind of decks do you usually play against?

December 28, 2017 12:01 a.m.

NoSoyYucateco says... #5

Have you considered Bloodhusk Ritualist? It's a great way to make a player dump their hand. Personally, I'd take it over Scythe Specter.

You might find a quicker route to locking down the whole table is Maralen of the Mornsong and Teferi's Puzzle Box. They tutor for a card, then put their hand on the bottom of their library. On your turn, stack the triggers the other way so that you put your hand on the bottom, then tutor for a card.

December 28, 2017 12:28 p.m. Edited.

NoSoyYucateco says... #6

Oh--and think about Innocent Blood for quick and cheap early removal.

December 28, 2017 12:43 p.m.

nero92 says... #7

I'd recomment a Skullcage

December 28, 2017 5:08 p.m.

Kaleo42 says... #8

nero92 why? If your opponent's have 3 or 4 cards in hand you're in bad shape, and 2 damage is not going to change that.

December 28, 2017 5:40 p.m.

nero92 says... #9

"With this deck I'm aiming to cripple my opponents by completely emptying their hand... and discarding them to death."

If your deck works, they will have less than 3 cards on their hands, I assumed. At least it's more likely than Shrieking Affliction

December 28, 2017 6:04 p.m.

Kaleo42 says... #10

HAHA whoops, I forgot it was "unless" they have 3 or 4. Ok that does make it better, but I personally wouldn't play it due to the 4 cmc but I play at a highly volatile table.

December 28, 2017 6:19 p.m.

Romer says... #11

Holy smokes, I love the discussion this is generating! Thank you all for your comments!

geekmp3: I like the cheap CMC of Planar Void but I worry about exiling some of my key enchantments or artifacts. Turns out, people really don't like discarding their whole hand and a lot of my permanents become quick targets. I've won a couple games by pulling my stuff back from the graveyard and recasting it.

Phenix: I considered Nirkana Revenant for ramp but she's so expensive to cast that I decided not to. I generally prefer to keep my ramp spells cheaper so I can cast them early game, or later game I can cast them and other things. I'm currently a little on the fence about keeping Caged Sun.

majorappliance: Hehe, no I didn't want to do the Bloodchief Ascension + Mindcrank combo here. I have a whole other deck focused on milling combos (Phenax's Milling Machine) ;)

Thanks Kaleo42, I thought it was an amusing concept, too. Turned out to be just as fun to play. The decks I play against are a bit of a mixed bag. It's mostly kitchen table EDH, though my playgroup's experienced a bit of power creep as we strive to outdo one another. Some strong Jhoira suspending, tokens, combos, a number of quality voltron commanders but generally not much cruel control.

NoSoyYucateco, you're giving me good food for thought here:

Yeah, Scythe Specter's discard is conditional, relying on it dealing combat damage but I really like that makes all opponents discard. Its 6 CMC is pretty tough to swallow though - especially if it's killed before it even attacks. I did consider Bloodhusk Ritualist early on when building this deck but cut it, thinking that to make one person discard one card wasn't a great investment. But if I spent the same as Scythe Specter cost, I'd get that person to discard 3 immediately. Hmmm. I do like that the discard happens immediately, and I can scale my mana investment to "right-size" how many cards I want someone to discard. I might switch these two up.

Your Maralen of the Mornsong and Teferi's Puzzle Box combo is pretty cool and would definitely lock down the whole table. I like that Maralen can help me tutor up the puzzle box to complete the combo. But sometimes I want my opponents to draw cards, just so I can make them discard them and take damage with Liliana's Caress, Megrim and Raiders' Wake. Also, the puzzle box is a bit of a dead card to me without Maralen in play. I'll think on it.

I had Innocent Blood in my list for a while but with so few creatures, I was hesitant to run it for fear of having to sacrifice something really good. I figured Chainer's Edict was safer and pretty cheap for .

nero92: Skullcage is definitely interesting. The CMC makes me hesitant but it would probably give better results than Shrieking Affliction. Hmm. Might be a nice upgrade.

December 29, 2017 3:42 a.m. Edited.

Mike94 says... #12

January 6, 2018 3:22 p.m.