- 1x Archaeomancer
- 1x Champion of Stray Souls
- 1x Corpse Connoisseur
- 1x Deranged Assistant
- 1x Disciple of Bolas
- 1x Dread
- 1x Extractor Demon
- 1x Farhaven Elf
- 1x Gravespawn Sovereign
- 1x Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
- 1x Jodah's Avenger
- 1x Kessig Cagebreakers
- 1x Laboratory Maniac
- 1x Marang River Prowler
- 1x Millikin
- 1x Mindshrieker
- 1x Mirror-Mad Phantasm
- 1x Mnemonic Wall
- 1x Moldgraf Monstrosity
- 1x Mortivore
- 1x Necrotic Ooze
- 1x Nighthowler
- 1x Nyx Weaver
- 1x Painbringer
- 1x Possessed Skaab
- 1x Profaner of the Dead
- 1x Reassembling Skeleton
- 1x River Kelpie
- 1x Rot Farm Skeleton
- 1x Selhoff Occultist
- 1x Sepulchral Primordial
- 1x Shambling Shell
- 1x Splinterfright
- 1x Stinkweed Imp
- 1x Terastodon
- 1x Undercity Informer
- 1x Undergrowth Scavenger
- 1x Wall of Blood
- 1x Wonder
- 1x Bojuka Bog
- 1x Crypt of Agadeem
- 1x Dakmor Salvage
- 1x Dimir Aqueduct
- 1x Evolving Wilds
- 7x Forest
- 1x Ghost Quarter
- 1x Golgari Rot Farm
- 1x Halimar Depths
- 6x Island
- 1x Mortuary Mire
- 1x Opulent Palace
- 1x Simic Growth Chamber
- 1x Svogthos, the Restless Tomb
- 10x Swamp
- 1x Terramorphic Expanse
- 1x Deep Analysis
- 1x Down / Dirty
- 1x Dread Return
- 1x Grim Flowering
- 1x Spider Spawning
- 1x Tempt with Immortality
- 1x Traumatize
- 1x Twilight's Call
- 1x Victimize
- 1x Worm Harvest
To be honest, unless you have some way of hexproof-ing your creatures, I'm not keen on Auras in Commander. Spot removal does exist, especially in creatures and Path to Exile level spells. Wreath of Geists, while providing you with a good buff, is begging for a 2-for-1 if not on a creature with hexproof. Dance of the Dead and Animate Dead fall into the same category, with the added drawback of having to get rid of the creature it's enchanting if the Aura gets Naturalized.
October 14, 2015 7:33 p.m.
You're right re:Wreath of Geists (and I will take it out), but I disagree on Animate Dead and its ilk. The purpose of those cards is to trigger ETB effects from the creatures they recur, so I don't overly care if either of them get nuked after the creature has stuck on the battlefield.
The original deck this is based on also tends to go off at instant speed, so you can respond to a kill spell by winning. Although this deck is obviously less powerful, the same pieces are in here as well. In particular, one of the main win-cons is to play Altar of Dementia, then reanimate Selhoff Occultist or Extractor Demon and essentially just win instantly. If they try to kill the creature or the aura or the altar, you can respond by sacrificing further creatures to continue the chain.
October 14, 2015 7:42 p.m.
Why not find a spot for an Undead Alchemist to turn that mill into exiling creatures. Just in case something happens and you can't just outright win.
October 19, 2015 3:42 p.m.
Linkdude74: I was considering Undead Alchemist, but I realized that it kind of contradicts my main game-plan. My mill plans should be pointed at my opponents, and he only triggers off of milling opponents (alas!). He would solve my difficulties with Eldrazi Titans, but that role is already taken by Gravespawn Sovereign (who also is helpful when I'm not about to win).
I'll keep him in mind, though! He seems good for another draft of this deck, even though he doesn't totally synergize with my current plans. And he works so nicely with Altar of the Brood (which I would be playing if only it milled all players...)...
October 19, 2015 5:19 p.m.
October 20, 2015 1:27 a.m.
PlattBonnay: I'll consider both, although their flashback costs are a bit high for my intended curve. I'd be more amenable to their inclusion were they creatures...
October 20, 2015 3:25 a.m.
Wall of blood, wow, I don't think I've ever seen one in an EDH deck before. +1 :)
October 20, 2015 3:53 a.m.
GobboE: Wall of Blood does ridiculous things - it likes to get reanimated at the same time as Disciple of Bolas to draw 39 cards with no net change in life, and its ability is quite nice stapled to Necrotic Ooze haha.
October 20, 2015 4:25 a.m.
No Sol Ring! Disgrace!..j/k. But in all seriousness I think more mana rocks required and less tapped lands.
November 1, 2015 12:22 p.m.
I agree on the issue of tapped lands; however, mana-fixing is difficult without them while keeping the price low enough. Do you have any specific suggestions? Mortuary Mire could probably go in a pinch since its ability doesn't always have a good target.
November 1, 2015 12:56 p.m.
The origins pain lands are relatively cheap at the moment. Other than that you're looking at $3+ for checks,fetches, new bfz lands. I just figured budget is q starting point, then upgrade as you can. Are you really set at staying within said budget marker?
November 1, 2015 1:16 p.m.
Mj3913: Oh, yes, definitely. This deck's entire purpose is to stay within the $26-or-lower budget (original goal was $35, but I managed to stay even lower than that, so yay!).
I do, however, have a non-budget version as well, which does include most of the aforementioned staples :)
November 1, 2015 2:18 p.m.
This is great balance, but I would suggest (cheap common ones) mana ramp cards. Otherwise, it's great
December 28, 2015 7:54 p.m.
However, Krosan Restorer might well be worth playing. Any others come to mind?
Thanks for the comment! :)
December 29, 2015 12:04 a.m.
nonstripedzebra: Thank you! It's a fun combo :D Also, I love your username, haha.
January 11, 2016 1:36 p.m.
I think its pretty awesome that both your Sidisi decks are both so excellent.
Out of curiosity, is there any place for Triumph of the Hordes as an alternate win-con, or is the deck already aggressive enough as it is?
I like having options for how I win, so I like to consider cards like this that have so much value in a deck that can generate tokens.
May 21, 2016 4:25 p.m.
Hi! I'm responding to your post on the Advertise your deck forum
First off things to remove:
Shambling Shell is not very impressive.
Cards to add:
Dawntreader Elk = Very cheap ramp on a creature
Daring Apprentice = a very irritating creature to reanimate
Trygon Predator is not overpowered but certainly worth looking at, in most EDH games he will have targets
Psychic Spiral How did you forget this? Granted it can only be cast one time, MAYBE twice in a game, but it hits like a truck!
Good luck! and +1
June 4, 2016 5:30 p.m.
Zacoly: Thanks for the comment! In the order that you bring things up:
Jodah's Avenger: This is in there mostly for the combo with Necrotic Ooze, yes. I can stick Nighthowler on it to swing for lethal as well, though. It's one of the weaker cards, but I'm fond of it. I'd be amenable to cutting it if a better option is found.
Re:Shambling Shell - honestly, don't knock it 'til you've tried it :) It looks really underwhelming on paper, but given that it's cheap, dredges, and easily returns to your GY to dredge again, I'd want to draw it over some of the most powerful options in the deck. Surprising to me too, haha!
Daring Apprentice: I avoid countermagic on principle unless 100% necessary, and he has summoning sickness. I'll pass for now.
Trygon Predator is great, agreed. The only issue is that I rarely attack, and there are usually fliers about to block in my meta.
Psychic Spiral: I don't want to lose my accumulated graveyard, and I could rarely kill someone with this card. Plus, I'd often give other GY-focused decks a huge boost by milling them.
Thanks for the comment and well-wishes, again! I don't see your +1, but the site's been glitchy recently; it may just have not come through yet.
June 4, 2016 6:24 p.m.
The catch with asking for suggestions on such a solid well played decklist is that it is very unlikely that you've missed any overpowered cards that still fit the budget.
At this point it's only a matter of what utility do you like to have or not have, which also is probably well massaged by now.
June 4, 2016 6:37 p.m.
Zacoly: To be honest, I'm mostly posting this deck to acquire likes at this point. Nearly all of my decks are well-treaded and pretty optimized by now, lol. This one's doubly hard because of the ridiculous budget. People still sometimes surprise me, though! :)
(If you want to look through a deck that's very much incomplete and unoptimized, I'd appreciate any suggestions on Trouble Made Double: Vorel EDH, haha. My current project.)
June 4, 2016 6:41 p.m.
What a wonderfully well thought out deck.
I actually flat out brought this deck because I've been wanting to go from Meren into a 3 colour deck.
I barely even looked at the cards once the deck was assembled and just played it as is. I was against a very well optimised Deretti, Scrap Savant & Ezuri, Claw of Progress.
Bearing in mind that Deretti got a turn 3 darksteel forge I still managed to knock him out of the game by turn 6/7 and then deal with an equally dangerous Ezuri.
Sure I got lucky and I need to play more games to get a better sense of the consistency but for the price the synergy of this deck is absolutely insane.
+1 - Very very nice deck dude, thank you very much for sharing and providing a newbie like me with a great foundation deck to build into my own.
June 5, 2016 8:12 p.m.
r-kane: I'm so happy you like it, and that I could help!! I've actually been considering revising it - I'd love your thoughts when you've tried the deck a few times. What method did you use to win those games? :)
I assume you've already done this, but you're welcome to check out the non-budget version (I Call Her Vera: Sidisi EDH) for more information about strategy and possible additions (in particular, further dredge and Mesmeric Orb).
I've been considering making a whole set of uber-budget decks ($35 or less on TCG-Low); would you be interested in seeing some more?
June 5, 2016 9:11 p.m.
Honestly, being so new to MTG and not being able to play anywhere near as much as I'd like I doubt I could make as much use of them
Since you're keen I have a few ideas that pop to mind
Having looked over a few other decks you've created, including your main Vera Sidisi deck, you clearly have a good understanding of how to make good decks so I'd highly recommend you to go for it. If you intend to create a series of them, perhaps make a youtube channel for it and, aside from introducing the deck, you should play it and create a voice over of your thought process for each.
Multiple budget decks of the same commander?
In some cases there is only one way to play a deck. However Sidisi is definitely not one. I feel she is far more versatile than people realise. Sure, self mill is the mechanic to abuse, but I can see some really interesting possibilities that may be really interesting outside of her main mechanic. Have you thought about how you might make Sidisi a Voltron champ by using Bonehoard / Nighthowler (Which could incidentally be combo'd with Glistening Oil for giving her infect damage. What of a token centric deck or a control deck?
Only make budget options for decks you are familiar with / own / have played a good deal of or against. Otherwise you run the risk of lowering the quality of your guides.
Interesting cards for Sidisi:
Something I do is just browse colour combos for cards with interesting effects that I might be able to exploit. Here are a couple I saw by doing that today:
Hall of the Bandit LordIn this deck specifically it's not worth it. However I have some really weird cards that I sometimes run like Hell's Caretaker/Elvish Piper or Fauna Shaman or Vhati il-Dal and this lets me combo things in some really interesting ways.
Surrak, the Hunt CallerSimilar cheaper option for the above. It's very easy to fulfil the condition with Sidisi.
RiftsweeperCould be interesting for saving already exiled combo pieces.
Volrath's StrongholdI already have this in my revamped Sidisi.
Blade of SelvesThis... could be hilarious & I want to try it.
Notes on Existing cards:
Wall of Blood + Lifelink = you can pay 100000 life since they changed lifelink from a triggered ability to a static one. This means no delay on life gain which means it's gained the same time you lose it - you won't die. This may make Whip of Erebos an incredibly enticing card. With this in mind you could bait an enemy into thinking they can kill you, (especially if Wonder is in your graveyard), by using something like Cruel Feeding. Alternatively Sudden Spoiling will also do.
June 5, 2016 10:22 p.m.
June 5, 2016 10:30 p.m.
June 5, 2016 10:30 p.m.
r-kane: Thanks for the long comment; you've given me a lot to think over. I'll address your points more fully in a later post, but just a quick thing: I can't pump Wall of Blood to 100,000 because I pay the life as part of the cost. As soon as I pay it "too many" times, I die, full stop - no chance to regain the life, or way to interact. I could only abuse that with Platinum Angel or Lich or something similar to prevent me from dying.
June 5, 2016 10:53 p.m.
You could deffo do it with Platinum Angel but I wouldn't wanna add this card into the deck. A few other cards that could work stupid well in general:
- Synthetic Destiny
- Dragon Throne of Tarkir (Especially with wall of blood)
- Chameleon Colossus
- Elder of Laurels
- Nantuko Mentor
Sorry about the double post was an accident
June 6, 2016 4:56 a.m.
I don't play Commander much, so I'm no expert.... but this looks a lot more competitive than my deck. Looks like fun too! +1
June 11, 2016 9:39 p.m.
Dragonman39: Feel free to check out my actual competitive version of this deck too :)
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June 11, 2016 10:16 p.m.
Great deck. My favorite part is that you use Jodah's Avenger. +1
June 16, 2016 11:57 p.m.
rob_shifflett: Haha, thank you! I'm a pure Johnny; I'm also extremely happy that I found a place for such a bad but interesting card :)
June 17, 2016 12:01 a.m.
Hey guys, this deck looks AMAZING Daedalus and I'm new to magic and this is everything I want in a deck. Could you please elaborate to me or PM me about how exactly the combos you have mentioned target the opponent, such as Wall Of Blood + Discliple of Bolas = no life change? Same thing with how the Alter Combo works. Sorry I'm magic ignorant, i'm studying as much as possible and really want to play this deck.
June 26, 2016 10:24 p.m.
Rise74: I'm glad to hear you like it! In regards to your specific questions - Let's say you're at 40 life. Wall of Blood can be pumped 39 times, making it a 39/41 and pushing your life down to 1. Then you cast/reanimate Disciple of Bolas (in the same turn), and sacrifice Wall of Blood. It has 39 power at the time, so you gain 39 life and draw 39 cards. You're back at 40 life (so, no net life loss), and you've drawn 39 cards for your trouble :) Be aware that an opponent can kill your Wall of Blood in response, leaving you at 1 life with no cards, but that has rarely happened for me.
The second combo you mentioned goes like this: I empty my library, leaving Dread as the last card. I have my commander, Altar of Dementia, and Extractor Demon (or Selhoff Occultist) on the battlefield. I sacrifice a zombie token, and two mill triggers go on the stack (which I choose to both target me) from the Altar and Extractor Demon. Each time I mill myself, Dread is put into my GY from the library, then re-shuffles itself in, so I basically have an interaction that says "Sacrifice a zombie: put two zombie tokens on the battlefield", which gives me infinite creatures. I can use those infinite creatures with Altar to mill my opponents.
This deck also exists in its non-budget form (I Call Her Vera: Sidisi EDH), which has a better explanation for most of the interactions :)
I hope this helps! Feel free to ask any further questions, and welcome to Magic!
June 27, 2016 10:25 a.m.
Hey Daedalus! I'm back! :D
Would you be able to go more in-depth as to the strategy of this deck? Since your non-budget one has different cards in it, I can't find the similarities in strategy and playstyle between the two. Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I haven't played a Sidisi deck before, and having someone spell out the entire decks strategy really helps me decide if I want to play it.
July 21, 2016 6:07 a.m.
I can't edit my previous comment, so I'll just post it below.
Also, how commander centric is this deck? Do you absolutely need Sidisi to win? Can she sit in the command zone all day, and the deck function just fine? What happens when Sidisi costs 6, 8, or more mana?
July 21, 2016 6:17 a.m.
Gfdbobthe3: Definitely! I'll do that this afternoon, time permitting.
July 29, 2016 11:42 a.m.
Hello,your deck is very nice. I like it so much and I need to play it. But I cut off 5 cards from your list because they price over 2$ (2Buck EDH Format).
Thanks for your list again.
July 31, 2016 1:41 p.m.
Returner_Greenblood: I'm not familiar with the rules of $2-EDH, but on TCGPlayer you can find all of those cards for under $2. I only mention this because Altar and Dread in particular are pretty integral to the deck. Regardless, I'm glad you like the deck! You're welcome to give it a +1 if you want :)
July 31, 2016 2:15 p.m.
Gfdbobthe3: Hello again! I understand the confusion in trying to untangle this deck; it's more similar to older versions of the non-budget deck.
The goal is to have most of the cards have an effect from the graveyard (like Worm Harvest) or be recurrable from the graveyard (with cards like Dread Return or Archaeomancer). Because most non-land cards in the deck are useful while in the graveyard, milling yourself becomes a form of card advantage.
There are several win conditions: a combo detailed on the other deck page (Extractor Demon/Selhoff Occultist + Altar of Dementia + Dread + Sidisi, Brood Tyrant), Necrotic Ooze using the abilities of Wall of Blood and Jodah's Avenger, Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord sacrificing Sewer Nemesis, Laboratory Maniac + Deep Analysis, etc.
There are also a bunch of ways to get absurd value, like Victimizeing Wall of Blood and Disciple of Bolas to draw 39 cards. I haven't updated this deck in a while, but I would probably add a Peregrine Drake (cheaper since it was reprinted), which allows several other combos. The remainder of the deck is mostly ramp, reanimation spells, and methods of self-milling.
Sidisi, Brood Tyrant isn't vital to the deck, per se, but she is very handy to have out. If you can't win through any of the combos detailed above, she gives you the necessary aggro to beat the opponent to zero life. She's also a repeatable source of mill, and necessary for my favorite combo (the first one detailed above).
I hope that's helpful! :) If you like the deck, I always appreciate +1s :)
July 31, 2016 4 p.m.
I love budget decks!
Eldritch Moon gave us Armored Skaab and then Wailing Ghoul/Screeching Skaab. Nothing stellar but hey they mill. Gisa and Geralf sort of add to the reanimator/mill theme but are very restrictive and are nearly $5.
August 25, 2016 10:32 p.m.
Flagellum: Thanks for your comments! I may include Dreamborn Muse; she's a very good source of repeatable mill (especially when my opponents don't have much recursion). Extract from Darkness is also interesting, but I think I should always have the best toys in my GY so I can find something cheaper in terms of mana. If you like the deck, +1s are appreciated :)
August 25, 2016 10:36 p.m.
I've love this deck for a long time now, been quietly following the comments here. I want to try building this deck. I also want to modify it ever so slightly to have a zombie (sub)theme, and I'm willing to go a bit over this budget here (mostly with cards I already have).
What are your thoughts on how to make the best use of zombies in this deck? Do you have any problems with the three colored mana base on a budget? If I had, say, an extra $10-$20 to add to this deck, what would you say are the most important additions to include from you no-budget version?
August 30, 2016 7:10 p.m.
Like it. +1. I may look into putting this one together.
March 23, 2017 5:52 p.m.
So with all of these cards saying "target player mills", I should be targeting myself correct? (Other than the win combo of course)
April 24, 2017 11:51 a.m.
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