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World Queller Discussion
1 year ago
Nice brew, neat idea to counter those clunky and annoying Vannifars!
As smne who played Mono-W Stax for a while, with the amazing Hokori, Dust Drinker at the helm, I'll share with you what thoughts inspire me your sweet Linvala decklist.
(Even if it has already been pointed out before, I wanna say that I also love the Urborg combo. It's unexpectable and freakin' gud!)
Let's start by the beginning: mana fixation. Extraplanar Lens is insane in every monocolored archetype, so it's a quite logic inclusion you made here. Nonetheless, I suggest you to go for Snow-covered lands to synergize better with it - that way you won't give a lift to your opponents playing white.
Pearl Medallion and Sol Ring are basics, nothing really worth to say about it. Thran Dynamo and Worn Powerstone are more debatable. I don't know what is your budget issue, but if you want a competitve list, Mana Crypt , Mana Vault , Grim Monolith , Mind Stone , Everflowing Chalice etc. are all better options. Dynamo and Powerstone aren't bad cards, but they just come after those ones if you really do need a solid ''ramp'' package.
Opal Palace feels badly slow and ineffective in a monocolored stax deck. You won't win the game by taking up the board with your creatures armed of a little +1/+1 counter.
You have notable exclusions in your lands for a mono-white. Eiganjo Castle is the first card that comes through mind. Buried Ruin also is a recursive tool you should consider, even over Inventors' Fair . If you manage to find one, Ancient Tomb has its place there replacing Temple of the False God .
At its final shape, my Hokori decklist was running a powerful Crucible of Worlds package including Wasteland , Strip Mine , Dust Bowl , Flagstones of Trokair , Lotus Vale and City of Traitors . I was up to 39 lands, not counting Maze of Ith .
Now let's jump straight into your gameplan!
So... you're planning to focus your eyes on ruining Vannifar's day. To help with this strategy of being the nasty ''combo killer'' guy, I think you should put in some additional pieces of disruption.
That said, I don't know which Vannifar's version(s) your playgroup perform with. If it's a Thornbite Staff / Intruder Alarm one, things would be easier to calm down and you won't need such a heavy stax package - you'll need more single-target/multi-target removals though. And if it's the other one, certainly the most popular now (and also the most powerful/absurd), based on many shenanigans around the creatures Vannifar brings to the table, you'll need more stax support.
One of the very best cards you could add to stop all those creature-centered combos is Humility . This card is broken, this card is stupid. It even disables etb abilities. The only way your opponent has to go through is to destroy it with a creatureless source / or with a ''casting'' effect (like Ulamog has).
Single-handly, Humility tears apart most of the competitive Vannifar lists. However, based on the fact that it is still fragile to enchantments/permanents removals, you'll have to build a defensive shield for your stuff. Vannifar lists often keep a strong package of cheap permanents' removals in their pocket (like Beast Within for example), so you'll need to play carefully.
There's a lot of different ways you can head in order to reinforce your permanents' presence on the battlefield. A pretty simple and most of the time effective, despite of its ccm, you already included is Avacyn, Angel of Hope . I think you still lack a way to cheat her casting cost out to make her a stable and destructive power house.
Stax ''enchantment'' strategy is imo one of the most viable and solid strategy. With Academy Rector (amazing alongside your High Market ), you'll be able to search the exact piece you need to lock the game in your favor.
Notable stax exclusions :
Static Orb > staple
Storage Matrix > staple
Arena of the Ancients > staple
Thalia, Heretic Cathar > staple
Lodestone Golem > Considering all the artifacts you're playing, ~ seems like a consistent pick for your draft.
Ethersworn Canonist > personal preference there. I always loved ~ in my stax deck. Synergizes well with Teshar.
Phyrexian Revoker > another personal preference. Always found ~ useful.
Pithing Needle > destroys Vannifar for 1 mana.
Orb of Dreams > more of an Hokori all stars card, but could also be good here.
Sphere of Resistance > staple, should be played carefully to slow down your opponents combos and not threw away as soon as possible like I see many people casting it
Mana Tithe > unexpected white counterspell - another Hokori all stars... I don't know if it would be any good there
Other cards to consider :
Platinum Angel > slow down combos, create a premium target for every combo player removals.
Greater Auramancy > protection for your enchantments
Sensei's Divining Top > not the best card draw you could find, but provides something White struggles to accomplish
Barl's Cage > strong mana sink against Vannifar and creature-heavy decks
Condemn > more removals
Abolish > more removals
Dispatch > more removals
Catastrophe > clears everything except enchantments/artifacts
Approach of the Second Sun > win con
Idyllic Tutor > searching for Humility
A bunch of meta depending stax tools :
Cards I'd cut from your list :
Martyr's Bond > Slow and unreliable on this brew. As you're not sacrificing any kind of permanent on your own, you'll struggle to get any value out of it outside of a lost political blast deflagrating when the game should already be over. Unless you add in some cards like World Queller , it defenitly doesn't deserve a slot imo.
Bishop of Rebirth > a lot of people seems to give love to this card recently. However, I personally think it is just a bad inclusion. You spend 5 mana on a understated body and you have to wait a whole turn before getting value out of it IF you are in the researched scenario. There will be times where you have Boots or Greaves on board and this will be an insane mini-Sun Titan, but the situation is too rare to justify its presence.
Sublime Archangel > No real interest here. Good creature but doesn't provide anything for the stax strategy.
Gift of Immortality / True Conviction > weird ''win con'' heavily situational cards based on creatures. There is some logic behind Gift, but it's just too much of a unreliable idea. True Conviction has nothing to do here... it's 6 mana spend to lose the control on the game. If you're searching for card advantage and a bit of healing, go for the brand new Dawn of Hope (also is a good mana sink).
Blackblade Reforged > intersting alternative win con. Feels slow nonetheless.
Emeria Shepherd > too slow for my liking.
Whispersilk Cloak > can't understand what this does in a deck full of flyiers and tapping effects.
Finally, as you want to challenge Vannifar, which is a blue deck, you'll need something to deal with the classical Cyclonic Rift . Teferi's Protection is a good solution (and it could also protects you form a lot of various situations / removals / etc.), but I'm sure you can find a lot of other response.
I hope you'll find useful ideas in this comment. Thanks a lot for sharing this, it reminds me good times. Keep up the good work, keep up brewing!
1 year ago
Really cool deck! Have you considered Sunder to slow your opponents down even more?
I see you don't run many creatures, so you could go for creature lock-down with cards like Magus of the Tabernacle, Pendrell Mists (passive boardwipe with Winter Orb) ,Dream Tides, Overburden, World Queller, Spelltithe Enforcer, Ward of Bones, Portcullis and Crystal Shard I think are worth considering.
I play a blue/white superfriends deck that prevents anyone from playing creatures so I feel like some of my cards may compliment your deck xD http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/grand-arbiter-and-friends/
1 year ago
Solemn Simulacrum I know, he's annoying and expensive and in every deck but he RAmPS AND DRAWS AND IS COLOURLESS LIKE BLEH
Pristine Talisman Triggers your life-gain abilities.
Gravestorm MAN that theming
Ob Nixilis Reignited one of THE cheapest walkers around
Krav, the Unredeemed and his partner Regna, the Redeemer can generate card advantage by searching for each other, seem to be on theme (life gain and tokens are both parts of this deck, see your commander for details, but krav specifically lets you draw a shit TON of cards. Also, gives you some sac outlet ability and ridiculously tiny activation cost)
Necropotence this IS a more expensive card and with good reason. But of all the "more expensive card draw" cards i believe it is the LEAST more expensive. Seriously this card blows games out. (SIDENOTE this works SUPER WELL with your axis of mortality, necropotence yourself to 1 in response to the trigger then swap with someone to go right back to 35)
Harvester of Souls Gimme card draw for your creatures. Tax'ing the hell out of the entry to hell.
Actually on-theme cards that are really mean:
Magus of the Abyss There's a REASON people refer to chumping every turn as abyss-ing
Infernal Darkness a card you can probably find for 3$ or less, ruins people's happy fun times (except you)
Call to the Grave See above regarding magyss of the abyss.
Patron of the Nezumi Pay the death tax
World Queller This one's especially spicy cause you can choose a permanent type you DON'T have one of.
Angelic Arbiter A little high on the curve tbh but does make your opponents choose combat or spells
Aura of Silence I really think this is a must-have card for this strat.
Archfiend of Depravity New government law, every player shall have no more than 2 creatures. Communism at work, the government gets as many as it wants.
Magister of Worth A VERY thematic board wipe. (it will ALWAYS be a board wipe)
Cliffhaven Vampire For all those extorts and life linkers.
Leonin Arbiter Seriously punishes decks with greedy manabases and green decks
Aven Mindcensor See Leonin Arbiter
Oathsworn Vampire This guy is great card advantage and a recurrable chump for your "symmetric" forced sacrifice effects
Windborn Muse Better than Baird IMO
Orb of Dreams EVERYTHING is tapped
Utter End Seems to me a better card than Mortify, even if it costs 1 more.
Hushwing Gryff Flash torpor orb fucks SO MANY DECKS
Descent into Madness Although this is only particularly strong if you have a huge draw-engine to keep exiling bad cards from your hand instead of permanents.
False Prophet HOW IS THIS CARD SO CHEAP???
Words of Waste Can be powerful but may require too much tuning of mana/draw to be actually good.
Kataki, War's Wage expensive but powerful effect.
That's all for now. too many options honestly.
1 year ago
Synergistic cards (UW):
1 year ago
I mean, I don't see how this is stax, I see some very good cards, like Gamble, Imperial Recruiter, and Enlightened Tutor, but in terms of prison/stax, you only run about 6 cards: Thalia, Heretic Cathar, Ghostly Prison, Linvala, Keeper of Silence, Aura of Silence, Blind Obedience, and Cataclysm.
I'd suggest you drop the cards like Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder and Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite for much more powerful stax cards. Also I'd think running some more tutors for Helm of the Host (the instant win) would be useful.
Other cards I'd suggest you run:
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben - hurts storm builds and greedy manabases more than your deck.
Ruination - You run enough basics that a 3-4 colored deck will crumble.
Armageddon - Aurelia, the Warleader makes this thing basically a win, as you can probably beat face enough to kill one person before they rebuild, whilst rebuilding on your own. At that point with a couple more stax cards you might be able to drop your opponents all together. Use Ravages of War as well if you can afford one.
Crucible of Worlds - With a lot of land-destruction, or fetchlands, this card gives you constant land drops, allowing you to rebuild like nothing ever happened a few turns after an Armageddon or Cataclysm. Acts as a half Sun Titan in some cases. Strip Mine/Wasteland make it really good too.
World Queller - this card is godly. It can be used as land destruction every turn, and with a Sun Titan or Crucible of Worlds, you might not notice it's effect, but can name planeswalkers while you have none to get rid of a pesky Ugin/Karn/Nicol Bolas. It can of course remove pesky artifacts or enchantments, and still beat face a bit.
Trinisphere - This deck has a pretty high CMC, so this card might barely affect it. It will totally hurt the elf player, the storm player, and any other low-cmc player.
Aven Mindcensor - This doesn't affect you, but hurts your opponents fetch lands, tutors, or any other searches.
Luminarch Ascension - Acts as a powerful alternate win condition if you lock out you opponents.
Magus of the Moon - If you run enough basic lands, this card won't affect you very much, because of the artifact mana you have. Other decks may crumble to it.
Otherwise I'd only suggest you run some more rocks (Mox Diamond/Chrome Mox/Mana Crypt and all of the legal fetchlands like Windswept Heath, Marsh Flats, Flooded Strand, Bloodstained Mire, Wooded Foothills, Scalding Tarn)
Cards to drop for this stuff:
Argentum Armor, Extraplanar Lens, Loxodon Warhammer, Mask of Memory, Sword of War and Peace, Tenza, Godo's Maul, Elspeth, Knight-Errant, Puresteel Paladin, Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite, Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder, Balefire Liege, Avacyn, Angel of Hope, Archangel of Tithes, Angelic Arbiter, 2-3 lands.
Otherwise, it terms of lands, drop Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion, Temple of the False God, Boros Garrison, Emeria, The Sky Ruin, Opal Palace, Rogue's Passage, Clifftop Retreat, and some basic mountains, add the remaining 6 fetchlands, and that should be about it!
1 year ago
Gaddock Teeg is a hard maybe; he makes me unable to cast Birthing Pod, which is a pretty huge deal. I like Leonin Arbiter and simply don't own a copy as yet.
On the other hand, Mimic Vat, Genesis, and Urabrask are all too slow for what I need to do (in fact, World Queller might even be too slow, but I think it's worth testing because of how easily I break parity by naming "lands" or "artifacts"), and Dauntless Escort is strictly inferior to Selfless Spirit when it comes to this deck's needs.
1 year ago
A good place to find better cards for this deck. I would recommend Stoneforge Masterwork over pretty much everything else though. Also, World Queller is a pretty sub-optimal thing for Kemba imo, never played it, just seems a bit out of place in a voltron deck. Check out the link for some goods cards and decks and such.
2 years ago
I think a big problem with control is the multiplayer aspect of EDH. impossible to counter everything from 3 players, and trying makes you the target. I'd go with stax, what GAAIV already does.
Stax: Chancellor of the Annex,Spelltithe Enforcer, Kataki, War's Wage, Overburden, Meekstone, Lodestone Golem, Thalia, Guardian of Thraben, Fatespinner, Windborn Muse, Magus of the Tabernacle, Magus of the Moat, Trinisphere, Suppression Field, Pendrell Mists
Even if you don't go into the stax strategy hardcore, a lot of these might still be useful for you. Good luck!