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Weaver of Lies
Creature — Beast
Morph (4)(Blue) (You may play this face down as a 2/2 creature for (3). Turn it face up any time for its morph cost.)
When Weaver of Lies is turned face up, turn any number of target creatures with morph other than Weaver of Lies face down.
Weaver of Lies Discussion
1 month ago
I have 3 up face morphs, one that has an ability that triggers when I do combat damage, one that triggers an ability when it flips up and a lastly just a 4/4 morph.
I flip up Weaver of Lies and flip the 3 mentioned morph creatures face down. Obviously it benefits me for my opponent to not know which one is a combat triggered creature, a flip triggered creature and a vanilla 4/4. Am I allowed to shuffle them on the playing field to keep my opponent from knowing? Or do they have to stay where they are and essentially be known creatures that happen to be face down?
2 months ago
Staizer - Get ready for a long response:
I did look at the same list as you did, but as a longtime morph player, this deck is a disappointment. I've already made my thoughts on Kadena clear so I'll make that response short.
A bland Sultai value engine that brings nothing new to the table. She isn't a bad card by any means, but she doesn't address any of morph's biggest weaknesses. I'd still play Animar, Soul of Elements , Kruphix, God of Horizons , Muldrotha, the Gravetide , and maybe even the new Bant brawl commander over her.
The choice of morph/manifest related reprints
Some fine inclusions. Ixidron , Stratus Dancer , and Vesuvan Shapeshifter are nice, but they chose to exclude most of the best morph/manifest related cards: Dream Chisel , Ixidor, Reality Sculptor , Whisperwood Elemental , Riptide Entrancer , Voidmage Prodigy , Voidmage Apprentice , Aphetto Runecaster , Primordial Mist , Obscuring AEther , Unblinking Bleb , Weaver of Lies , Brine Elemental (though this one actually makes sense), and even Backslide . I would never expect all or even most of those to make it into the deck, but a couple would've been nice and would've made more sense than something like Deathmist Raptor or Silumgar Assassin .
Only Scroll of Fate and Kadena's Silencer are worth mentioning here. I know I sound like a broken record, but none of the new cards help address the issues facing morph: speed and the fact that morph is a value based mechanic that requires a massive mana investment. Morph will always be a casual mechanic, but it needs something that reduces the cost of triggering morph, or something that allows for multiple activations (my hope was for repeatable Backslide effects). Neither of those issues were addressed by the new cards in this deck. I would've been happy with just 1 card that helps in that way...1 card.
Is this a good pre-con for new players? Yes. Does it have value? Yes, though most of the value cards are only that way due to scarcity. I think many will end up tanking in price. Will it win games against the other pre-cons? Probably. Will it win games against even 60% decks? Unlikely.
So is it a good pre-con and I am being extra critical? Maybe, but this mechanic has had a special place in my heart for a very long time (Morph was first introduced when I was a little kid and just starting out playing Magic). I was excited to see morph finally get some needed reprints and support. Instead the new cards aren't that inspiring and the reprints honestly look like they just pulled up Gatherer, typed in "morph", and then picked some of the first things that they found.
5 months ago
For sizing, the bigger counter point is simply color logic - I know of not a single blue 3/2 for 2 blue mana. the closest comparison is Gilded Drake , which while a 3/3 for 2, is given to your opponent as opposed to kept on your side of the field. searching the gatherer for creatures costing "UU", the majority are 2/2s, with a few 1/2s, 2/1s, and the odd 1/4 or 4/1.
I am forced to agree with cdkime - "sliver" is more than a powerful enough mechanic to begin with. especially since morph is less useful to slivers than any other tribe, as the creatures face down have no creature type. the ability to turn face up is much better for triggered creatures, such as Voidmage Apprentice or Weaver of Lies . Creatues without a "when this card turns face up" typically just have a larger mana cost that can be paid over 2 different turns, and that's it.
8 months ago
[email protected]_only Wow thanks, someone did their homework!!!! I’m also pretty fond of this deck I crammed all the morphs I opened in packs when I started playing in the onslaught block.
Jeskai Infiltrator : He will most likely never get to deal combat damage in my playgroup.
1 year ago
At first glance, Id suggest the following flavor cards to add some spice to what you already have going on: Ancestral Statue, Primordial Sage,Tishana, Voice of Thunder, Purphoros, God of the Forge, Green Sun's Zenith, Worldly Tutor, Cyclonic Rift, Sol Ring, Vedalken Orrery, Seedborn Muse, Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip, Equilibrium, Sylvan Library, Sensei's Divining Top, Zendikar Resurgent, Birds of Paradise, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Eternal Witness, Thassa, God of the Sea, Soul's Fire, Mage Slayer, Weaver of Lies.
Keep up the good work and good luck!
2 years ago
No Weaver of Lies? I consider that false advertising.
on Animorph EDH
2 years ago
Thank you codudeol for your upvote.
If you sort the deck by price tag, you may find which cards are expensive.
Here I provided a list of change for cards >10$:
- Birds of Paradise --> Any 1-cmc mana dork will do the job. (eg: Llanowar Elves)
- Breeding Pool --> tapland/painland/basicland with the same colors.
- Chrome Mox --> tapland/painland/basicland with the same colors.
- Cloudstone Curio --> Weaver of Lies
- Flooded Strand --> tapland/painland/basicland with the same colors.
- Karplusan Forest --> tapland/basicland with the same colors.
- Steam Vents --> tapland/painland/basicland with the same colors.
- Windswept Heath --> tapland/painland/basicland with the same colors.
- more expensive cards:
- Arid Mesa --> tapland/painland/basicland with the same colors.
- Bloom Tender --> Somberwald Sage is the best replacement I can find, but doesn't work well with the unMorph ability. Another option is replacing her by a 1-cmc mana dork.
- Earthcraft --> No real alt-options, except Cryptolith Rite (already in the list). It's a very powerful card, if you can't afford it, switch it with another ramp card (Green is full of efficient sorceries for this job).
- Mox Diamond --> tapland/painland/basicland with the same colors.
- Scalding Tarn --> tapland/painland/basicland with the same colors.
- Taiga --> tapland/painland/basicland with the same colors.
This way, the price tag can be reduced to 100-150$ instead of 500$.
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