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At the beginning of your upkeep, put a spore counter on Utopia Mycon.
Remove three spore counters from Utopia Mycon: Put a 1/1 green Saproling creature token into play.
Sacrifice a Saproling: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool.
Utopia Mycon Discussion
1 month ago
Ok, better late than never.
I'd also work on replacing Diabolic Tutor with Diabolic Intent while it's still reasonably priced.
No idea on your budget, but here's a few more expensive options you should save up for if they aren't options now. Doubling Season , Phyrexian Altar , Enlightened Tutor , and Aura Shards . Replenish and Academy Rector too if you manage to find 'em. Sadly Ghave is an expensive deck to upgrade and make more competitive.
1 month ago
2 months ago
You can certainly make it a viable deck without sinking Doubling Season money into it or turning it into a deck whose only goal is to Demonic Tutor into a combo. There's a lot of good stuff in here to build on.
Hardened Scales rounds out your Corpsejack Menace/Snek package.
You could probably lean a little into Saprolings, as well. Psychotrope Thallid is great card draw when your Commander makes Saprolings. Utopia Mycon is great for ramp. Tendershoot Dryad is a great lord for going wide. Night Soil , Saproling Burst , Verdant Embrace , Fertile Imagination , Fungal Sprouting , Scatter the Seeds , and Saproling Symbiosis are solid token producers. That last one is expensive, but I thought I'd just put it out there since it's old af.
As for cuts, if you're not doing broken combo things, Spikes are not good. Cruel Sadist , Sylvan Hierophant , Consuming Vapors , Heirloom Blade , Clockwork Vorrac , and Underworld Connections could probably be cut on card quality, alone.
2 months ago
If you had to choose between an altar, Ashnod's Altar is far better with Ghave then Phyrexian Altar as you can produce infinite colourless with it and a Ivy Lane Denizen type card out. If you want both but budget is an issue (which it doesn't look like it is with this deck), Utopia Mycon is great.
2 months ago
I hear you with the budget thing, NothingClever. If you can spare the change now, Diabolic Intent is cheeeeap now compared to what it was and will be, and in Ghave (with the cheap 1/1s) it's pretty much might as well be a Demonic Tutor . Worth the buy at this point in time.
Altars are expensive too, but what diabolic intent is to demonic tutor in Ghave, a Utopia Mycon is to a Phyrexian Altar . It's a couple bucks, yes, but far cheaper than a phyrexian altar, but once you played with it a few times you'll be very very happy you got it. Turning saproling into mana is just what you need. Gyre Sage is also a must include for Ghave - especially if it's out with a Ivy Lane Denizen , a Juniper Order Ranger , Cathars' Crusade , or any other passive counter adder. I like to have it out with some extra mana, pass the turn, then right before my next turn, create a bunch of saprolings to trigger counters onto it for a big next turn (maybe with 10 Geralf's Messenger triggers.
Both Gyre Sage and Utopia Mycon could more justify Exsanguinate in here as well. Also, they both make Mirari's Wake and Zendikar Resurgent that much better as you can take the mana doubling even further, leading into a monster turn.
I personally would remove Scute Mob for Blade of the Bloodchief as the blade can produce more counters with the combos in here for added fuel to Ghave, and it can go on creatures who's abilities use those counters: Hangarback Walker , Champion of Lambholt , Hooded Hydra , Mycoloth , Fertilid , Gyre Sage , etc........ Far more value. It also makes an Elenda, the Dusk Rose go nuts and provides tons of value in a Ghave.
Another very powerful card I've used for Ghave is Glare of Subdual . It has huge interaction potential and controls the board easily with Ghave.
3 months ago
Phyrexian Altar is just better than Utopia Mycon since it can be used with creatures other than saprolings. The multifunctional purpose is what makes it so valuable. I end up using it with undying and persist creatures as often as if not more often than saprolings.
3 months ago
I'm sure you've already considered it, but I'd recommend Utopia Mycon over Phyrexian Altar if your big sacrifice to the altars is saprolings. It's been working wonders for me as a single green drop leaving mana up to begin the infinite combos on an early turn.
What are your thoughts with it? You using it mainly for the persist combos?
4 months ago
I'm currently without a playgroup at the moment, unfortunately, since I moved states a couple years ago. However in my old playgroup this wouldn't be as big of a problem as it would be in more competitive pods. Either way unless someone counters Ghave, this deck wins more often than not as soon as he hits the field.
If you're worried about him being a big target, there are plenty of ways for the deck to go off without him. There are currently 75 possible combinations of cards using persist creatures that go infinite (Going through this made me realize I really need to update my Full Combo list, so thanks!). We can use any of 5 cards to combo with a persist creature and a sac outlet. These are:
We have three persist creatures to choose from (though you can add more if you want to focus on this strategy):
5 x 3 = 15. That's 15 combinations with any sac outlet. The sac outlets we have available are:
15 x 5 = 75. That gives us 75 possible combinations to reach infinite without Ghave. I didn't include Evolutionary Leap in the equation merely because the sac outlet isn't free. It's kind of a pseudo-Ghave with some possible tutor ability.
It's worth noting that only Blasting Station wins you the game on the spot out of these combos. Otherwise you'll need a Blood Artist effect for the win. However any of the persist creatures give us useful abilities, though Puppeteer Clique is generally more useful in long games with full graveyards. Likely if your group is competitive you won't get that far. He can be replaced with lower cmc creatures like Safehold Elite for instance if you just care about infinite death triggers. However Woodfall Primus can lock out the game by destroying all lands if you want to go that route.
Not to mention we also have our recursion combo using any of Karmic Guide/Reveillark/Saffi Eriksdotter. There are 3 combinations of using any 2 of these creatures and 5 free sac outlets. This gives us 15 combinations, 3 of which win on the spot with Blasting Station. For the other 12, we can add Blood Artist or Zulaport Cutthroat for the win. 12 x 2 = 24. Add Triskelion with any 2 of our recursion creatures for 3 more ways to win. 3 + 24 + 3 = 30 possible routes to win the game from these cards alone.
All in all the deck can work just fine without Ghave provided you know what to tutor for. The way I see it, there are two methods for reaching a game winning combo.
- Be fast and resilient. This is the route I've chosen. There are so many different ways to make a combo that a little disruption doesn't phase us. Obviously I still need to work on my land base to make it faster for this strategy to work consistently for cEDH. Otherwise in more casual groups I can just durdle around and win whenever I want.
- Utilize control. Cut down on the number of combos in the deck and focus on a select few that will win you the game. Use a combination of tutors to draw your combos and control to maintain your boardstate and prevent others from winning until you can play a game winning combo. For this I would go for straight up infinite damage or life drain from continuous sac outlets and forgo the infinite mana/tokens approach. If you feel this is what you need for your meta then go for it. It still works really well, though obviously I prefer the resiliency approach.
Hopefully that answered your question. If not let me know, and I'll be happy to discuss!
I used to have Utopia Mycon in the deck, but it got cut for Phyrexian Altar which is objectively better. Yes you can search Mycon with Hulk who can't get the Altar, but if you're sac'ing Hulk to pull them out, you don't really need the fungus in the first place. Viscera Seer and Carrion Feeder can be brought out with Hulk and aren't restricted to sacrificing just saprolings. I'm not sure Metallic Mimic combos enough with other cards in the deck to merit a spot with Mycon, but it's certainly an approach that can work in other builds.
Utopia Mycon occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%