Creature — Elf Druid Ally
As long as you control six or more lands, Sylvan Advocate and land creatures you control get +2/+2.
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Sylvan Advocate Discussion
1 day ago
Randsome, Walking Ballista is very good with Winding Constrictor and seems like an auto include in a deck using the snake, but if you don't want to get Ballista's then you could use it's slots for anything really, Negate is even an option. Never / Return or Ruinous Path are fine in it's place, but I don't think you really need any more removal main deck, 4x Fatal Push and 3x Grasp of Darkness is enough. Aethersphere Harvester is good at pressuring Planeswalkers. Saying this I would definitely sideboard 1-2x Never or Path as some Planeswalker removal. I would also sideboard 4x Transgress the Mind which can hit any Planeswalker.
Some possible cards you could use in Ballista's place who go with the theme and with the snake are:
- Longtusk Cub
- Glint-Sleeve Siphoner
- Rogue Refiner
- Bristling Hydra
- Tireless Tracker
- Rhonas the Indomitable
As far as strengths and weaknesses of Sultai and Temur I think it really comes down to which kind of deck you want to play. Even though Sutali has energy I consider it more of a counters deck because the power of Winding Constrictor is in counters not energy. Temur is more of an energy deck that's also using counters, but energy is the main theme. If you like energy play Temur and if you like counters than play Sultai.
Sultai Strengths and Weaknesses:
- Better manabase having access to 7-8x fast lands that can make green mana.
- More powerful curve of Winding Constrictor, Rishkar, Peema Renegade and Verdurous Gearhulk. By itself a curve of Constrictor into Rishkar can be game winning.
- Better sideboard options for Marvel matchups and control matchups. Transgress the Mind and Negate can both stop Marvel. Transgress can hit Torrential Gearhulk.
- Less reliant on energy if keeping Elves.
- Constrictor is a huge target for removal and unfortunately the deck very much relies on him to be alive without him the power level drops a lot.
- Problematic removal options, other than Fatal Push all other removal has double black casting cost. Push is ok, but not great right now in Standard.
- No cheap removal that exiles the creature it kills.
- Not as versatile or as many creature options in black.
- Access to no three mana sweeper that does 3 damage to all creatures. Yahenni's Expertise is as close as it gets.
Temur Strengths and Weaknesses:
- Can still function without losing a key card in other words there's no Constrictor. Less reliant on a nice curve.
- More cards make and use energy. The energy theme is front and center.
- Magma Spray is a very good removal spell right now in Standard.
- Harnessed Lightning is unconditional creature removal that with energy can kill easier than Fatal Push.
- Access to three mana 3 damage to all creatures sweepers.
- Glorybringer adds an additional power level to the top end.
- Worst manabase having to use reveal lands from Shadows Over Innistrad which can be problematic at times.
- Worst sideboard options for Marvel and control matchups. Other than Negate and other counterspells.
- Relies much more on energy to overall function.
In my opinion red is better as the third color for this deck than black right now because of Magma Spray, Harnessed Lightning, Glorybringer and Radiant Flames. These cards do more for the deck than Winding Constrictor, Fatal Push, Grasp of Darkness and Transgress the Mind can. I like the combination of Spray and Harnessed over Push and Grasp because Spray can exile Scrapheap Scrounger and/or Dread Wanderer, especially Scrapheap because he's such a menace in Mardu. Spray also hits a ton of creatures in both Zombies and Mardu making it not just for the recursive creatures.
Creatures that Spray can't kill Harnessed can due to the amount of energy the deck can make. Glorybringer is great at pressuring or killing Planewalkers and gives me another flying threat. Putting counters on Glorybringer is also nasty fun. Flames in combination with Spray is very potent vs Zombies. I've found that I really need a sweeper to consistently beat Zombies because the battlefield can be flooded with them very fast. Red has access to two three mana sweepers that can deal 3 damage to all creatures, Flames and Sweltering Suns. Doing 3 damage is important because of Lord of the Accursed. Black has Yahenni's Expertise which can kill 3 power creatures, but it costs four mana instead of three. Flames can also only do 2 damage to each creature if I only use two different colors of mana to cast it. It's flexible this can be relevant as a one sided board wipe.
Push is a great removal spell, but the strong presence in Standard of both Aetherworks Marvel and Zombies takes it down a notch. Zombies wants you to spend a card to kill a single Zombie this is giving them an advantage. Spray is some what taking away this advantage even though I'm still spending a card to kill a single creature the creature is exiled which is relevant. Marvel plays all three drops except Servant of the Conduit and higher and very few creatures. Push is still excellent in the Mardu Vehicles matchup because it can kill Heart of Kiran, but so can Harnessed.
Thanks for the tips on using the stack. You're right I can't tap Rishkar, Peema Renegade the turn it's played to crew Aethersphere Harvester and then put a counter on Harvester with Rishkar's trigger. I would have to use another creature to first crew Harvester and then play Rishkar. I've been doing this Rishkar and Havester play for a while now and no one has said it's wrong, haha... My mistake is I didn't know that if an ETB trigger has to have a target(s) the target(s) must be declared the moment the trigger goes on the stack. I was declaring targets when the trigger resolved from the stack which is wrong.
2 days ago
Hey Randsome, thanks for your feedback.
Rishkar, Peema Renegade and Aethersphere Harvester work together because both their abilities use the stack. Rishkar's ETB trigger and Harvester's crew activated ability both go on the stack. Crew is an activated ability. Once both abilities are on the stack I can choose what order they resolve. When a creature enters the battlefield it can be tapped to use another activated ability that requires a creature to be tapped such as crew. When Rishkar ETB before I resolve his trigger I can tap him to crew Harvester, the crew ability then also goes on the stack. Once both Rishkar's trigger and the crew of Harvester are on the stack I can order them to happen in any way I choose. Choosing to resolve the crew of Harvester on the stack first makes Harvester a creature. I can then resolve Rishkar's trigger second which lets me put a counter on Harvester since Harvester is now a creature.
The same thing happens with the stack when another Rishkar ETB when one is already on the battlefield. Both the legendary rule and Rishkar's ETB trigger go on the stack. I can choose which order I want them to happen. Choosing Rishkar's trigger first lets me put counters on other creatures even one of the Rishkars. Second I resolve the legendary rule which then kills one of my choice of Rishkar.
An updated Sultai Energy Elves list:
- 4x Servant of the Conduit
- 4x Sylvan Advocate
- 4x Skyrider Elf
- 4x Winding Constrictor
- 4x Rishkar, Peema Renegade
- 4x Verdurous Gearhulk
- 2x Walking Ballista
- 4x Attune with Aether
- 4x Fatal Push
- 3x Grasp of Darkness
- 2x Aethersphere Harvester
- 4x Aether Hub
- 4x Blooming Marsh
- 3x Botanical Sanctum
- 4x Forest
- 3x Swamp
- 1x Island
- 1x Hissing Quagmire
- 1x Lumbering Falls
3 days ago
Looking at the deck I have a few criticisms. You have a lot of creatures doing different things, which can be bad in the end. For example, Champion of Rhonas ability to cheat cards in really foils the effect of Tyrant of Valakut Since the Surge cost is the effect you should be after with it. Other cards face similar issues Heart-Piercer Manticore isn't really worth adding to the deck since none of your creatures are expendable enough, asides from itself due to the Embalm effect. Naga Vitalist and Beastcaller Savant are both very useful manadorks but in this deck it doesn't really help as your mana spread is 2-4 drop ranges. It's useful, but not completely necessary. I would rather fit in x3 Channeler Initiates to fill instead. 2-drops that get bigger every time you dork. Sin Prodder seems to work against you. As you have no means of graveyard play to really make it shine. And as a result any opponent with decks with lifegain just stop you from having anything. Sylvan Advocate is not a card that helps your deck in any way. There is no Land Creatures in your deck. The 4/5 looks nice but as a late game drop it's not helping your game too much. Outland Boar isn't doing your deck much either. I would replace it with Greater Sandwurm It's pretty much the same card, it hits harder and you can cheat it in with Champion of Rhonas and if we think along those lines Oracle's Vault would be a great add with Lifecrafter's Bestiary to get to Scry the top of your Library to gauge what you'll cheat or if you're willing to deal with the exile if you can't afford. Voltaic Brawler doesn't work either. You're unable to supply it with more energy counters so it's really only effective for two turns. Not really worth it in my opinion.
You're going to need more Champion of Rhonas, Ahn-Crop Crasher (To stop blockers from your beatdowns), one more Glorybringer, and one more Soul-Scar Mage(it can synergize well with a large portion of your deck.)
Creatures of note that I recommend adding or looking into:
Combat Celebrant - It gets you another combat phase and untaps your already exerted creatures. Yay! So much aggro!
Aetherwind Basker may cost 7 but it has trample and gains Energy like mad. You could even run Voltaic Brawler if you want to use this creature, and you can cheat it in too! And You can frequently use Lightning Runners (if you want to add it) and its effect to great use. More combat phases means more hurting your opponent.
Lightning Runner as stated before.
Khenra Charioteer 3/3 3cost Trampler that gives trample to other creatures you control? I'd consider this one big time.
That was creatures. Now for Instants/Sorceries/Enchantments/Artifacts
Heart of Kiran isn't helping, you are forced to tap a creature to Crew it and as an aggro deck with so many large beasties, it's not much worth in your deck besides its very low cost and flying. Heck, there's not enough creatures you'd want to man the thing such as pilots who do things when they are tapped. I would go for some card cheating such as Oracle's Vault instead.
You're lacking a fair portion of Instants and Sorceries to make better use of Soul-Scar Mage But that's fine as you have a portion of creatures that deal damage to opponents creatures, But you want to take advantage of the mage through Instants and sorceries. Monstrous Onslaught, Chandra's Revolution, Hungry Flames, Furious Reprisal, Pyromancer's Assault, Devour in Flames, Boulder Salvo, Blazing Volley, more Sweltering Suns
I'd Run Blazing Volley since it does damage to each creature opponent controls. Paired with Soul-Scar Mage it would become devastating. Anything that Burns for 4 is the sweetspot for damage, as many newer creatures seem to have that much toughness. and it badly cripples any creature with higher toughness if Soul-Scar is out.
I would also look into finding more cards that untap creatures you control as it would really power up your game.
3 days ago
CreepyDentures thanks for the feedback haha. ive actually used Sylvan Advocate alot i just wanted to give other stuff a chance for a home for play, but ive never used Woodland Wanderer yet. i also think some ramp would to the deck really good too just to be sure i have land in my hand at all times. my goal is to make this deck combo well with Archfiend of Ifnir + Noose Constrictor + The Gitrog Monster + Shadow of the Grave
4 days ago
I like the concept, though I feel the decks goal needs tightening up. I like Gitrog and Archfiend, but I feel some of the other creatures are a bit awkward. Olivia prefers an Aggro approach which Gitrog doesn't fit, so I'd cut her personally. Other low cost creatures there also aren't ideal imo, save for Grim Flayer. For a stompy approach, I'd thrown in something like Sylvan Advocate and/or Woodland Wanderer. I also feel the deck needs some more early disruption. Grasp of Darkness or Shock for example. Overall, the deck seems good, but conflicted. Gitrog, Ifnir, and the high land count wants midrange. Olivia and such want Aggro. I'd personally push the midrange angle.
6 days ago
If you have Grim Flayer he can replace Sylvan Advocate it would become a 4/4 quicker than the advocate gets stronger and has trample. That would allow you to beat in on some decks and not get chump blocked.
1 week ago
Glad I could help I like the changes you've made. I also play a very green deck, Energy Elves. It's not mono green, but green is the main color and one of the best mono green aggressive curves it uses is turn two Sylvan Advocate, turn three Rishkar, Peema Renegade into turn four Verdurous Gearhulk. I'm a big fan of Rishkar for both ramp and green aggressive strategies especially with Advocate because of his vigilance letting me attack with him and ramp in the same turn. I recommend trying to fit some Rishkar in.
Tracker makes a huge difference it's a amazing how she can pull you ahead in a game if she survives for you to crack even a single clue. I've had games where all I've used are Tracker and Rhonas they make a great team, draw value combined with a lot of attack power. Tracker turns on Rhonas to attack or block with only cracking a single clue.
1 week ago
I looked over Oath of Nissa because I wasn't playing any planeswalkers and didn't really look back to it. Thanks for the reminder lol.
I thought about using Sylvan Advocate when I first started building this deck. I was just worried in making it to the 6th turn to get all the lands I needed for the ability. But since I did have massive amounts of mana guys it should Ben very helpful.
With Tireless Tracker I hadn't thought about much cars draw, even though I knew I needed it. That's why I had Dissenter's Deliverance in the side board for the cycle ability. But if I can get one each time a land is put out then definitely lol.
Prey Upon is something I didn't even touch and I'm glad you said something about it. I definitely needed that.
Thanks again for all the suggestions. I love it when someone opens my eyes up to something that I hadn't even thought of.