Return target creature to its owner's hand. If that creature is attacking, you may put it on top of its owner's library instead.
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|Oath of the Gatewatch (OGW)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Sweep Away Discussion
11 months ago
Okay so I've got some time, let's get into this...
1) I think Shu-Yun is an interesting choice for a budget commander because he relies on killing opponents quickly, but with budget decks, you're going to be winning much later in the game. He's also interesting because he focuses on quick combat instead of really building up a boardstate. I think the first thing to do would be to abolish the idea of a turn 4-6 win, decks like ours are going to try and grind out the game with cheap removal and synergy, waiting for the right time to strike. Maybe the problem is that the deck wants to win too fast and the budget can't compensate for that, just my idea.
2)You should probably cut the uncommons, things like Invert/Invent, Jace's Ingenuity , Rush of Blood (even though this card is super cool and I'm going to put in one of my other decks), Concentrate , Rise from the Tides , Butcher's Cleaver , Hero's Blade , Inquisitor's Flail , Vessel of Endless Rest , Illusory Ambusher , Smelt-Ward Minotaur , and Whirler Rogue . While these cards are awesome in the deck, they're a huge deficit to your budget and cutting them is 12 less cards. I've found that with a budget like this, it's best to cut to $0.15 commons. Will it be as fast? No. Will it be $10 or under? Yes.
3)Have you considered building from the bottom up? Instead of adjusting my previous commanders, I usually just pull out a fresh sheet of paper and start from there. I feel that it opens up more gateways for deckbuilding and instead of having to cut expensive cards, you can decide which cards to add one at a time. Cutting is also just kind of negative and personally I feel a lot happier seeing: "this card is so sweet for $0.15!" Instead of: "Ugh I can't run this card because it's over budget." This could just be me of course.
4) As for specific cuts, here's what I'd take out(excluding the uncommons I pointed out earlier): Artificer's Epiphany : There are better draw spells out there; Contradict : Again, there are better spells; Depths of Desire : Generally, I dislike bounce, even in Red/Blue but this spell just isn't good, especially when you want to cast Shu Yun on turn 3; Enhanced Awareness : Way too expensive for the effect; Leave in the Dust : From your comments, it seems like you want to win faster, so I would cut these mana-intensive bounce spells so you can run cantrips, also Unsummon is $0.15 on SCG; Prying Eyes : yeah this card is just objectively bad in my opinion, even for a $10 deck; Repulse : Same thing I said before about bounce spells, the card draw isn't worth paying more mana; Scatter Arc : I feel like a lot of the bounce/counterspells are in this deck because they say "Draw a card" paying 2 more mana for a negate that draws you a card is not with it, you could do more with that two extra mana. Sweep Away : Yeah this is way too conditional to actually work out; Aether Tunnel : Yes I know you said you wanted to keep this, but playing it makes Shu Yun a huge target and it's budget intensive. Skygames : This enchantment is okay, but It's definitely not great, especially when compared to your other auras; Highland Lake and Izzet Boilerworks : Yes I know it's important to have mana, but running basics gives you more choices. That's pretty much all I've got for now on cuts.
I wish you the best of luck, but I'm about to pass out so goodnight, I hope this made sense!
1 year ago
Personally i'd get rid of: Cloud Manta, Deep-Sea Terror, Deepglow Skate, Boundless Realms, Farseek, Genesis Storm, Nissa's Renewal, Skyshroud Claim, Giant Growth, Glissa's Scorn, Naturalize, Pulse of Murasa, Sweep Away
and replace with things like: Hedron Crab, Tidal Kraken, Serpent of the Endless Sea , Kraken of the Straits, Isleback Spawn, Grozoth, Sealock Monster, Stormsurge Kraken, Benthic Behemoth, Breaching Leviathan, Guard Gomazoa, Gomazoa, Dormant Gomazoa, Broken Bond
2 years ago
borto1412 you may consider Winds of Rebuke to the list. Also some bounce cards that return permanents to the top of owner's library, after all you will mill it anyways haha
Edit: sorry for the long list
2 years ago
With Manic Scribe, it's best with delirium activated and it's hard to actually get that with the amount of card types in this deck, I'll think about it though.
I don't really need to rely on a perfect hand, just one or 2 of the combo pieces and some card draw work out well.
Thank you again for you comment!
2 years ago
4 Hedron Crabs is reasonable. Great card for milling. In a deck with 20 lands, and none of them fetches? Not really worth it. And now we are at it with the lands: For this deck, you have way too few. You have quite a lot of spells at 4+ cmc, and no way of reducing cost. Without mana, you can't play them.
Overall, I'm not really sold on this version of mill. You can't mill with mana you hold back for counterspells, and counterspells that cost 3 (like Dissolve are not good enough in modern (except for Cryptic Command, but that is also more than just counter).
Cards, and good reasons to remove them.
Blood Clock: You don't threaten to kill anyone on life. so they'll take their two damage (or recast their snapcaster mage) and you'll have to find something on your board, that doesn't hurt too much to take back in hand. Reality Acid is good here, but you only have 1 of each.
Darth_Savage suggested to splash white for Narset Transcendent. I think it would be a great idea also for a full set of Supreme Verdict. but more likely, black is a better splash, as the good mill cards are UB.