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Quest Magic | Legal |
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Sulfurous Blast
Instant
Sulfurous Blast deals 2 damage to each creature and each player. If you cast this spell during your main phase, Sulfurous Blast deals 3 damage to each creature and each player instead.
Joe_Ken_ on United States Marine Kor | Akiri, Fearless Voyager
3 years ago
RNR_Gaming Sunforger can't get either of the cards you mentioned since it can only grab instants with or CMC less than 4. One instant speed damage wrath you could be thinking of is Sulfurous Blast although I like using Sunforger for things like Teferi's protection/Boros Charm or pieces of spot removal.
Randsome on Aurelia Reigns Supreme [pseudo-cEDH aspire]
3 years ago
Latest kiki-less update:
Out: 1x Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker 1x Splinter Twin 1x Grenzo, Havoc Raiser 1x Silence 1x Swiftfoot Boots 1x Open the Armory 1x Zealous Conscripts 1x Combat Celebrant 1x Sulfurous Blast
In: 1x Hammer of Nazahn 1x Weathered Wayfarer 1x Wrath of God 1x Wayfarer's Bauble 1x Viashino Heretic 1x Hushbringer 1x Tome of Legends 1x Inspiring Statuary 1x Thraben Inspector
JohnMichaelBushman on
4 years ago
I also suggest considering the following cards: Fault Line , Sulfurous Blast , Volcanic Fallout , Acidic Soil , Breath of Darigaaz , Cave-In , Cerebral Eruption , Earthquake , Flamebreak , Kaboom! , Molten Disaster , and Steam Blast .
Suns_Champion on Sunforger
5 years ago
Lots of good advice and options above, but I'll chime in anyway!
First, a shameless plug of my own Sunforger deck! Super Smash Boros | Firesong & Sunspeaker EDH
Notable ones already mentioned:
- Tithe
- Teferi's Protection
- Deflecting Palm: biggest "gotcha" card ever
- Enlightened Tutor: not only does it get Sunforger, you can can also get it with Sunforger
- Boros Charm
Options that I don't think were mentioned:
- Chaos Warp: good removal.
- Dawn Charm: flexible fog.
- Settle the Wreckage: havn't had much succes with this personally, but it's an option.
- Argivian Find: good to get some recursion, especially if sunforger get's blown up.
- Dispatch: basically a better swords to plowshares in an artifact deck.
- Intimidation Bolt: good for stopping attacks that you don't want to happen(think Narset, Jeleva, Etali triggers).
- Price of Progress: Most damage for 2 mana you'll get. In the late game it becomes fantastic.
- Sulfurous Blast: another wipe option.
- Rootborn Defenses: protection, populate.
Other sunforger support cards you might want:
- Relic Seeker: Cheap tutor
- Auriok Windwalker: re-equip shenanigans.
- Auriok Steelshaper: smaller equip cost.
- Sculpting Steel: more sunforger!
- Masterwork of Ingenuity: EVEN MORE SUNFORGER!
- Brass Squire: re-equip shenanigans.
- Sigarda's Aid: flash it in, free equip.
And of course you might want your Sram, Senior Edificer and Puresteel Paladin and Danitha Capashen, Paragon. All that fun stuff.
Hope some of this helps!
ShreddedByCrows on Firesong and Sunspeaker
5 years ago
lance4224130 It seems a lot better now with those changes. How has it worked out recently?
For Deflecting Palm, you can just switch it with another nice aoe/utility you could tutorize through Sunforger. Here are a bunch of possibilities : Teferi's Protection , Volcanic Fallout, Skred (if you opt for the snow-covered lands), Sulfurous Blast, Magma Jet, etc.
If you want something which ''looks like'' Deflecting Palm, you can always try out Divine Deflection. It's certainly a bit better there because you can, with a lot of mana, prevent the damages from all spells you're gonna cast this turn, and burn everyone. I'm not convinced though. It's pretty much a meh card.
That said, I think you could find a home for Sivvi's Valor in your deck, as you were seeking for ways to protect your commander. The loss of life doesn't really matter considering the absurd amount of lifegain you have.
Tithe is also an incredible card, if you manage to find the place for it.
Honor the Fallen is an interesting graveyard hate card, and it works pretty well with your strategy (lifegain) and the Sunforger.
Suns_Champion on Super Smash Boros | Firesong & Sunspeaker EDH
6 years ago
manticoreknight Thanks for the comment! Gisela is already in the deck. thought about HH but didn't like him here, distracts from the main gameplan. Mind's Eye is good I'll consider it. Thanks again! Don't forget to upvote if you like the deck!
ogarith I am definitely still thinking about it. I don't have many targets but the repeated value is so tempting... thanks again! Please upvote!
elgosu1337 thanks for the detailed and extensive advice!
Been thinking about cutting Young Pyromancer and Monastery Mentor... I've already cut Blaze Commando so they seem next in line. I like them because, while they don't advance my specific gameplan, they still synergize with it and give me a ton of value. If I cut just one which would you cut?
Thalia's Lancers gets Neheb, the Eternal. I keep them because I feel Neheb is that important to the deck. And they can grab a finisher like Gisela or if Neheb is unavailible and I'm starving for draws Azor's Gateway Flip. Might be cut after I get to playtest the deck but it'll stay for now.
I like Puresteel Paladin but not sure how heavy into equipment synergy I can go. Already finding room for Basilisk Collar, hope it works great. I want to avoid infect so no Grafted Exoskeleton. Sword of Kaldra seems to expensive and distracts from the theme. Darksteel Plate is already in the deck. Eight-and-a-Half-Tails was considered early on but is only good with painter's servant out and nixes the lifegain I get from my own creatures. Indestructible over protection. Sunbond was cut the other day. I really like it but had to make room. Might find it's way back in.
Isochron Scepter like I said above I'm low on targets and it seems hard to set up. Especially if i draw it late game. Tempting though.
I see your points here. Volcanic Fallout and Sulfurous Blast and Vandalblast will hit the maybeboard!
All the damage doublers are good but require me to have both the damage spell and the doubling spell in hand, and the mana to cast both. From my experience with Neheb and Brion Stoutarm I'm not a fan personally.
I'm glad you took the time and got a thorough understanding of the deck. Really appreciate it. Thanks again! Would love an upvote too!
@Everyone:
Note #1: I'm considering adding another combo. Strionic Resonator and Sands of Time. This gives me infinite mana/untaps during my upkeep, meaning if I have Comet Storm or Aurelia's Fury in hand I win the game. Or Sunforger and Mistveil Plains. trying to come up with uses if I don't have those things out/in hand though. let me know your thoughts. Boros combo! Can ya believe it?
Note #2: I've noticed a few more Firesong and Sunspeaker decks popping up. This is good! I now need a unique name to make mine stand out. Any suggestion are much appreciated.
Thanks all!
elgosu1337 on Super Smash Boros | Firesong & Sunspeaker EDH
6 years ago
Really nice deck especially with the Painter's Servant value. You could probably add more red/white instants and cut some of the payoff like Young Pyromancer and Monastery Mentor since they don't really advance the strategy. Thalia's Lancers don't have many targets in the current decklist. Anarchist also seems overpriced for the effect.
Puresteel Paladin should be fairly reliable for helping you equip the Sunforger for 0, and draws a few cards. You could add a few more equipment like Basilisk Collar to kill creatures easily and gain more life, Grafted Exoskeleton to kill players much faster (and also withers creatures), or even Sword of Kaldra to exile indestructible creatures. Darksteel Plate protects your commander from your own burn as well. Eight-and-a-Half-Tails is easy to use with Painter's Servant. Sunbond is interesting because it lets you potentially go the voltron route, but you might want to keep it a spellslinging deck.
Isochron Scepter is a very notable absentee, but perhaps you don't have enough instants to make the most of it.
You could also benefit from a few more spells that do damage to everything, such as Volcanic Fallout and Sulfurous Blast, which can also be cast with Sunforger, and gain you lots of life and really hurts your opponents with Repercussion. Aftershock doesn't net enough value. Vandalblast seems a lot stronger for 1 more mana.
The damage doubling of Insult / Injury could be really helpful before casting even more spells. Spells that copy spells like Howl of the Horde and Increasing Vengeance could be quite impactful.
Ultimately, it seems like the Spiritualize combo will be the main Sunforger target since it can win once your commander deals combat damage or you cast any red spell with Painter's Servant out, or Lightning Helix or Warleader's Helix without the Servant, or you Swords to Plowshares your own creature. Not sure if you'd want a few more white instants to combo with Spiritualize and your commander.
I hope the above helps. Look forward to seeing where you take this deck!