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Tap: Each player loses 1 life for each Swamp he or she controls.
Stern Judge Discussion
1 year ago
I am sorry but I remembered to give you ine last suggestion: since you have Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, why not also use Stern Judge? The lands of your opponent will also be swamps, and with Starlit Sanctum or Cabal Archon the game will quickly be over.
2 years ago
As a fellow cleric tribal enthusiast I appreciate where you are trying to go with the deck but you seem to be suffering some of the same issues I ran into myself, namely not having focused synergies that build into a win condition.
A strong sub theme of your deck seems to revolve around life gain, so with that in mind lets add to and weaponize this sub theme into win conditions. I agree with kamelyan that you should add Conspiracy as its quite nasty with Rotlung Reanimator and Cabal Archon, the only reason I don't run these two in my cleric deck is the hardcore clash with Angel of Glory's Rise. Beacon of Immortality and Test of Endurance make for an interesting and intractable win condition that plays along with your life gain theme for surprise victories. Stern Judge with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth can be nasty repeatable drain where you use your life gain to stay ahead of other peoples dwindling life totals. Also, consider Greed and Erebos, God of the Dead for further card draw that works with your life gain. Also Boon Reflection might be useful as well.
Some general replacements that might serve you better would be Scholar of Athreos over Pious Evangel Flip, the drain effect is a nice mana dump, Frontline Medic over Banisher Priest allows you to play more aggressively and the counter ability can catch people by surprise and Grand Abolisher over Hanweir Militia Captain Flip, the Captain generates tokens far to slowly and often requires you to over extend to make it any good.
For additional tribal removal options consider Kor Sanctifiers, War Priest of Thune, Leonin Relic-Warder and Reliquary Monk. Although I find Reliquary Monk and Relic-Warder to be more tricky to use without a sacrifice outlet.
I hope this helps you, I look forward to seeing where you take the deck.
2 years ago
CrazyGood-MTG9797: Thanks for the +1! Stern Judge seems...bad (unless I'm missing something?), but Lieutenant Kirtar is an interesting case. He definitely fits in the self-sacrifice theme, but I think that the 3 CMC and 2 activation cost is a bit too high. And on the topic of Deflecting Palm, it used to be in here but was just too situational. Thanks for your comment though! :)
2 years ago
2 years ago
Yeah, I'm not trying to be as oppressive as Iona, Shield of Emeria, and I'm not dealing with a lot of counter spells in my meta to need Cavern of Souls. Metallic Mimic, however is one I missed. That could be good. The ramp/discount suit you described is good, and maybe I should add some. I took out Gift of Estates, and Pearl Medallion because I wasn't too worried about needing ramp due to low CMC. I do have Endless Horizons, Oath of Lieges, Solemn Simulacrum, Caged Sun. Maybe Pearl Medallion would be good. I guess I'm trying to keep as many clerics in as possible to benefit from their various abilities. But like you said this is a passive deck, so an explosive finisher is something I'm looking for. Charge Across the Araba, Aetherflux Reservoir,Reverse the Sands, and the Karma Stern Judge combo are some example of what I mean, since I'm not likely to win by beat down until I get Coat of Arms on board.
2 years ago
PookandPie: I tried running Righteous Cause, but the only one that actually attacks with creatures in my group is myself; everyone else just combos off or uses mana denial to lock other players out of the game.
I used to run Death Grasp, that's kind of like Essence harvest, but I never really felt impressed with it. You may be right about avatar of woe, destroying has a lot less weight than exiling. I'm pretty attached to Kuro, Pitlord, he has saved me before when the commander tax on Karlov was too high to pay. His -1/-1 boost gets past indestructible, which is nice. Plus I can Reanimate him for much less sometimes.
I think you're right about Stern Judge, he's never done anything for me. I've actually won the majority of games where Unspeakable Symbol came out, I try to be fairly aggressive with my own life when playing Karlov.
I really would like to try out Test of Endurance, it's a very good card.
2 years ago
I don't understand why you need to squeeze in Sunbond over literally any other continuous lifegain card. Your list on your profile isn't running Archangel of Thune or Righteous Cause or Patron of the Kitsune, whom are absolutely ridiculous (for every one creature attacking, gain two counters on Karlov? That's pretty incredible if your meta isn't all combo all the time). Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood are better than the creatures you're running that are kinda Sanguine Bond too.
You're not even running the good one shot spells like Essence Harvest. You can drop slow bunk like Avatar of Woe (why when your Commander exiles or you could just run a kill spell. With no tutors, I do not see Thornbite Staff occurring often which means one is a slow card, and the other can be dead oftentimes), Kuro, Pitlord (Too much mana for an upkeep cost, and at his mana cost you could cast a tutor, get Aetherflux Reservoir, cast Reservoir, and just kill the player with the creatures you're so scared of), Stern Judge (no tutors and Urborg Tomb, huh? Okay. This card is trash without Urborg as it is wholly dependent on it), Unspeakable Symbol (this isn't Marchesa, I get that you gain life, but this would be better as a tutor for Aetherflux Reservoir or something). You could easily drop any one of these for Sunbond and Falkenreath Noble if the list on your profile is anything like the one that you're currently playing.
Test of Endurance would be solid in your list too. Soldier of the Pantheon gives a solid number of triggers for more counters on Karlov, as well (I personally think it could do more than Ajani's Mantra/Ram and other once-per-turn effects).
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