Seraph of the Suns
Creature — Angel
Indestructible (Damage and effects that say "destroy" don't destroy this creature. If its toughness is 0 or less, it's still put into its owner's graveyard.)
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Seraph of the Suns Discussion
3 months ago
If I don’t discuss a card, it’s because that card didn’t feel like a card I’d want to play, or I didn’t think it was a viable commander. If I miss any really good options for my commander or leader, please let me know.
Adun Oakenshield TL?
Gyrus, Waker of Corpses TL???
Xira Arien TL?
Honestly, looking through this list, most of these cards don’t appeal to me. That said, there were a few that could work if I really felt that I needed to go with Jund. First, Gyrus, Waker of Corpses is really interesting to me as a leader. I could use it as my commander, I guess, but it just isn’t that interesting as an effect to me. I want my commander to have more of an impact on the game than being big, and allowing me to reuse creatures for a turn. I like how it allows me to essentially dash in creatures from my graveyard, retriggering any enter the battlefield effects they may have, and another cool feature that Gyrus, Waker of Corpses has is that it doesn’t really lose value when I recast it from the command zone. I’d much rather spend 9 mana on an 9/9 than spend 12 mana on a 6/5 that’s only really worth 6 but I’m looking for a bit more in a commander, especially since I’ll probably be able to shuffle my graveyard into my library multiple times throughout the game. If I were to use a Jund commander, Gyrus, Waker of Corpses is there, but I know that there’s better commanders for me to choose from. As a leader, however, Gyrus, Waker of Corpses seems awesome. For one thing, he kind of breaks the 3 mana limit by having X in his cost, and bringing cards back from the graveyard is much more useful in a format that doesn’t have any Twilight's Call or Aphetto Dredging in it. For now, I think I’m going to move on, but I may come back to him later when I’m searching for my leader.
Kresh the Bloodbraided intrigues me. I can just imagine… Kresh the Bloodbraided is on the board. I also have a Dread Shade , and a Urabrask the Hidden out. My opponents have full boards with 4+ creatures each; the collective power of all my opponents’ creatures is something like 45. It’s my turn. I draw. GASP! In my hand, I now have Plague Wind . I cast it. SUDDENLY, all of my opponents’ creatures are gone except for one Seraph of the Suns (dang) and I have a 44/44 legendary human warrior, my 3/3 shade, and a praetor that makes all my opponents’ creatures enter tapped. Those are the kind of game-changing plays that I like. Kresh the Bloodbraided is definitely an interesting commander, but I really doubt that I’ll be using him, because besides Plague Wind and In Garruk's Wake , there aren’t any cards that really use him to his full potential. Unless there’s some way to destroy a lot of creatures in a short amount of time, he’ll never get very big, because a 10/10 is a threat that most players can kill and will kill before it becomes much bigger than that. So, Kresh the Bloodbraided just won’t be a very good commander 97.9% of the time (I calculated it) and, in the other 2.1% of games, I have the potential to dominate for a few turns until someone kills Kresh the Bloodbraided through literally any means other than damage, because Jund doesn’t have any decent counterspells besides Avoid Fate , and Regenerate isn’t a very good answer to Murder .
I like the sound of Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire , but without much mill in these colors (besides Altar of the Brood , Waste Not , and Dread Summons , but 3/99 cards isn’t enough to make a mill deck), I don’t see much of a reason to play it. Sure, if one of my opponents plays a Sensei's Divining Top , I can get rid of it and hope that they don’t draw their Paradox Engine , but aside from getting rid of douchey cards I don’t see much of a purpose in playing Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire .
This concludes my exploration of Jund commanders, and since the only options for a Jund leader, besides Gyrus, Waker of Corpses , are Adun Oakenshield and Xira Arien , I don’t think I’ll be using these colors unless I decide to use Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder as my commander, and Gyrus, Waker of Corpses as my leader.
8 months ago
You said in your thread in the deck help forum that you wanted to get it down to 66, so that is 18 cuts.
Trespasser's Curse - Curses feel unnecessarily antagonistic and this one doesn't do much.
Curator's Ward - Unlikely to ever draw you cards.
Ashes of the Abhorrent - Not good unless your meta is very graveyard heavy.
Prowler's Helm - Not a very good piece of evasion equipment.
Wing Shards - Bad except against voltron.
Nightmare's Thirst - Hardly ever going to kill anything of importance.
Mana Leak - The type of games you are likely to play with this deck tax counters won't matter.
Convolute - See above.
Healing Grace - 1 shot small amounts of lifegain aren't worth a card slot.
Dark Ritual - Rituals aren't great in commander unless it is to ramp directly into a victory and you have no insta-wins.
Vampire Sovereign - ETB doesn't justify paying the price for the body in a non-blink deck.
Angel of the God-Pharaoh - 6 mana 4/4 isn't worth it just because it has cycling.
Diamond Mare - Going to gain you much less life than you think it will.
Underworld Coinsmith - Effects aren't strong enough.
Bonus round, these cards are all relatively weak and I really think that maybe you wanted angel tribal and didn't want to say it was a tribal deck.
8 months ago
In general, my feedback is that you have too many one-shot lifegain effects for small amounts (1-3 life). These don't do enough - you have to have multiple other cards on board before they really help you/hurt others.
Cards to cut:
- Angel of Mercy - Angel of the Dawn - Angel of the God-Pharaoh - Seraph of the Suns - Serra Angel - Urgoros, the Empty One - Vampire Sovereign - Dark Ritual - Healing Grace - Fountain of Renewal - Manalith - Prowler's Helm - Behind the Scenes - Ill-Gotten Inheritance - Trespasser's Curse - Dovin Baan
A few cards to think about adding:
Last, I'll just note that Oloro is already not a beloved commander, and you're playing a lot of counter magic. You might want to think about inserting some W/U pillowfort, cause everyone is going to be coming for you.
1 year ago
As a fellow Angel lover (you can see my angel tribal & taxes deck here ), I think you run many angels that are simply not good enough. Angel of Retribution, Radiant, Archangel is too fragile to mass removal, Seraph of Dawn, Seraph of the Suns, Shepherd of the Lost, Requiem Angel, Angelic Field Marshal is useless if you don't have your commander out, and if you have it you really don't need that much having viligance on all your creatures when a lot of them already have it, Exquisite Archangel (if you want this kind of effect I would prefer Resolute Archangel, that does it whenever you want), Herald of War I think is too slow, all of those I think cost too much for what they do, even Radiant, because she is too vulnerable against mass removal, although you could argue that she is good enough, I don't like her that much. I also think some of them like Silver Seraph or Shattered Angel could be removed but I'm fearing that I am going to cut too much and you will end up with less than 100 cards. Also, I'd suggest removing Iona, as hard as it is for me to say, but when my opponents stole it from me for the third time and named white I finally decided is too risky to run her in a monocolored deck.
I also think you are running some inefficient lifegain. Chaplain's Blessing is too weak, you could instead run cards like Blessed Alliance that are far more versatile, or Solemn Offering to mix targeted removal with life gain. Rest for the Weary, Sun Droplet, those ones I think are too ineficient.
Finally, some of the artifacts you run are to make your creatures able to evade more, but I don't think it is necessary when all of them already fly and are enormous, so I would cut Trailblazer's Boots and Prowler's Helm. I don't think Whispersilk Cloak is that good taking into account how many enchantments and abilities you have that target your creatures, and Sunbeam Spellbomb isn't good enough if you are not running some kind of graveyard recursion.
Finally, I would cut many of the cards you use to buff up your angels. They are already big, you don't need too many +1/+1 effects when you are always casting 5/5s, 6/6s and 7/7s. That would make Silver Seraph, Path of Bravery, Honor of the Pure, Dictate of Heliod and Light from Within cuttable.
Have you thought about adding Approach of the Second Sun? It's a nice alternate win condition that makes you gain life. I'd also think about including the OG Ajani Goldmane, it was made specifically about lifegain.
1 year ago
No Mercy doesn't have the word "target" anywhere in its text, so it's not a targeted effect; it destroys almost every creature that hits you. Creatures that can survive No Mercy might have regnerate like Ancient Silverback or indestructible like Seraph of the Suns.
1 year ago
I agree with your thoughts on indestructible and equipment. Lately, each set seems to have at least one good common equipment, with some more flashier stuff at rare. Meanwhile, indestructible is very tough to deal with, and I can’t actually remember a lower rarity card with it since Amonkhet (Seraph of the Suns at uncommon).
I don’t actually know what I want to see come back, but it’s interesting to see his opinions on the matter.
Also, congrats to living weapon for beating out battlecry as best new mechanic in the set
1 year ago
Lyra Dawnbringer may just only be good on her own cause she is basically a Baneslayer Angel but what if we could use her even more because of her Other angels you control gains +1/+1 and lifelink clause?
We have Oketra's Monument which can make all angels cheeper and fill the board with 1/1 tokens which can block early game creatures which also have synergy with Angel of Invention and Benalish Marshal.
soo maybe a mono white control deck?
i've tinkered with a deck with this theme but still what do you think are angels too expensive and it will be to clunky or will it be the second coming of Baneslayer Angel?
1 year ago
looks like a mean deck. i notice a couple of board wipes. why not add a couple more:
Fumigate: creature board wipe with life gain.
Paraselene: enchantment board wipe with life gain.
Seraph of the Suns: to survive any board wipes and finish off the opponent while the board is clean.