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Repay in Kind
Each player's life total becomes the lowest life total among all players.
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Repay in Kind Discussion
3 weeks ago
Nice deck list. I've been looking at making a Kaervek punish deck since I've turned my old Rakdos suicide deck into a tribal demon deck. Some of my favorite cards form that deck were Manabarbs, Citadel of Pain, Havoc Festival, Sulfuric Vortex, Spellshock, Planar Chaos, Storm Cauldron, Zo-Zu the Punisher, Ankh of Mishra, Angel's Trumpet, Mass Hysteria, Grand Melee, Avatar of Slaughter, Avarice Amulet, Spiteful Visions, Seizan, Perverter of Truth, Temple Bell, Mikokoro, Center of the Sea, Geier Reach Sanitarium. I love Toxic Deluge in my suicide deck as a board wipe. If you're looking for more pay life to kill creatures there's also Phyrexian Purge, Fire Covenant, Slaughter, Hellfire, and Ashes to Ashes as well as Repay in Kind which helps brings opponent down to your level after hurting yourself. Possibility Storm could be a nice inclusion as well if it works the way I think it does with Kaervek. Opponent casts a spell and both Kaervek and Possibility Storm trigger, the spell gets exiled and if your opponent plays the other card with Possibility Storm then Kaervek will trigger again.
4 weeks ago
4 months ago
Just a quick comment based on your deck description: None of your creatures can actually be pumped using a negative life total. On July 14, 2017, Wizards changed their ruling on Death's Shadow, removing its ability to be pumped by negative life totals. Since this ruling is fairly new, I wanted to make sure you were aware of the change. Immolating Souleater cannot be pumped as you cannot pay more life than your current life total.
Regarding what you are looking for, I would recommend adding some one mana removal spells. Fatal Push, Path to Exile, and Swords to Plowshares all immediately spring to mind. Thoughtseize and Inquisition of Kozilek are also very powerful, removing threats before they ever enter the battlefield.
I think you should also cut 2 copies of Repay in Kind. This card costs a bunch of mana, and often is a dead draw--you have enough post-combo card draw to justify running fewer copies.
Orzhov Charm provides removal and graveyard recursion for your Death's Shadow. Great card for this deck. Claim / Fame is another great graveyard recursion spell, resurrecting your Death's Shadow for the paltry price of 1 mana. The other half of the card is fairly insignificant--no need to splash red to run it.
Your deck might have some problems with tokens (as you rely on a few large creatures lacking trample) or combo decks. A wrath effect, such as Damnation, and unrestricted permanent removal (such as Anguished Unmaking or Vindicate) would be pretty useful.
5 months ago
@VelvetVendetta The two combos I run, while they look slow, are actually terrific. I just added a section on "win conditions" to address this.
Basically, the two win conditions I have really overperformed. I thought they'd be weak, and I spent time looking for other wincons, but I now think you don't need them. Having less dead cards (like redundant or tertiary wincons) also makes the whole deck better, by increasing the amount of interaction and business the deck packs. I mean, what are we at here, 3 total dead cards? That's insane.
But, I think the fastest wincons I've seen are Demonic Consultation + Laboratory Maniac, at 2 cards and 4 total mana is pretty good, and it's pretty hard to disrupt. That also has overlap and synergy with Doomsday. I also like Ad Nauseam + Phyrexian Unlife / Angel's Grace, although there again you probably want to use Lab Man for the actual win (although people have suggested Sickening Dreams and even Repay in Kind, but that seems horrible.) I don't think you want to go with infinite mana combos like Dramatic Reversal and Isochron Scepter or Lion's Eye Diamond and Auriok Salvagers. I'm not sure. The other interesting wincon in Zur is the artifact-storm one with Hurkyl's Recall, Helm of Awakening, and Aetherflux Reservoir. But, that's pretty hard to assemble.
Not sure what's best.
6 months ago
It might be interesting and more flavorful to do more of a life-pay type deck, and then use life switching cards. It fits the theme of Vona more, while also being a very curious strategy.
You would still have lifelink cards, but be a little less focused on having the highest life total, but instead use your life to gain the advantage.
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6 months ago
Thanks for the suggestion Ridley006. I'm definitely going to pick up a copy of Repay in Kind to try out. I still wonder if this very incremental deck can close out the game, even with something like Repay in Kind pulling people within reach. It does combo very nicely with Necropotence though.
7 months ago
oh one more thing
if your brave enough to hurt you wallet
but this is a huge gamble Soulgorger Orgg or those "pay any amount of life" spells is all you need
oh the new Axis of Mortality will be cool to set someones life to just 1
7 months ago
Oooh positive ones, I like that idea too!
The Low in Sodium
This player is characterized by being both a good sport when winning and when losing. Rarely, if ever, do they get salty. Common quotes:
- "Dang, that card is awesome!"
- "That was such a close match, I can't believe I actually won."
- "I really like your deck, I can definitely tell you put a lot of hard work into building it."
This player starts first with the goal of making sure everyone has fun in the multiplayer games, and knows how to balance the common goal of winning with the perfect level of power for the group. Common quotes of this player:
- "Tap my Homeward Path so that everyone gets their creatures back."
- "I'm not gonna hit you cause you're mana screwed."
- "I wanna see how your Avacyn, Guardian Angel deck plays out, so I'll play Fog to save you."
The Most Interesting Opponent in the World
This player doesn't always play, but when they do, they play such unique homebrews that you are just blown away by the talent they have in building their interesting decks. Some common quotes:
- "I really wanted to play with Lich, so I built this Selenia, Dark Angel deck so that I can play stuff like Repay in Kind and Reverse the Sands."
- "Have you heard of the Mesmeric Orb Basalt Monolith combo?"
- "At your end step, I am going to cast Kaervek's Spite to sacrifice my entire board, triggering Academy Rector to get Barren Glory."
The Deck Doctor
This player has a lot of experience building decks and playing in the format, so when they offer help, you know the deck is going to get much better. Some common quotes:
- "One of the nice things about playing white is that you get quite a few efficient spot removal cards for any type of permanent!"
- "I see you are playing Tooth and Nail, do you have Craterhoof Behemoth in the deck?"
- "If you are having trouble staying out of topdeck mode, here are some cards in your colors that you can use to keep your hand filled."