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Ral, Izzet Viceroy
Planeswalker — Ral
+1: Look at the top two cards of your library. Put one of them into your hand and the other into your graveyard.
-3: Ral, Izzet Viceroy deals damage to target creature equal to the total number of instant and sorcery cards you own in exile and in your graveyard.
-8: You get an emblem with "Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, this emblem deals 4 damage to target creature, player or planeswalker and your draw two cards."
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Ral, Izzet Viceroy Discussion
7 hours ago
You ever consider using Ral, Izzet Viceroy? He is a great addition as you have a lot of instant and sorceries. Also he is great if the game takes longer than expected and with your wizards giving 1 less for instants and sorceries he could be a real threat late game, play as many of them as you can. Then use his second ability
1 day ago
Also i feel like Expansion / Explosion fits p well in this deck and work as a counter spell or draw, making it very versatile in any matchup.
2 days ago
After playtesting I settled on Opt in place of 2x Electrolyze and 2x MB counterspells. While Serum Visions and Sleight of Hand worked great, being instant speed ended up being imperative for Thing in the Ice Flip and buffing Crackling Drake just a bit more during combat.
Dropped another Mission Briefing, and I'm liking it as a 2-of. The requirement can be detrimental in the very early game, and I think Briefing would just be better period if I had more burn spells. However, I don't think I will ever take it out, as I don't think Snapcaster Mage as a 2-of would be better in this case.
Switching to a more proactive build definitely helped the speed of the deck quite a bit, but it made the exact MB counterspells I chose much more important. Playtesting again on Friday, and going to switch the Mana Leaks out for Remands and try that again. Going to try to get a 4th in, but I'm not sure what to cut. Maybe the Unsubstantiate?
Ral, Izzet Viceroy as a 1-of in the MB, and Keranos, God of Storms as a 1-of in the side has been working well so far. For games where I need the big creature removal and a finisher I leave Ral in, when Ral gets removed too easily I switch him for Keranos, and in longer games I have both in the MB.
18-19 lands seems to be the sweet spot. I tried 20 and felt flooded almost every single game. This is a lot of the reason behind just the 2x Drake, and a 1-of Ral/Keranos at a time, because any more of them and they would be stranded in my hand. With the pace the deck forces the game to play at, casting Drakes around T6 and Ral/Keranos around 7 or 8 has worked just fine.
Wandering Fumarole got cut. If I had 22 lands or something ETBT would be fine, but not at 18-19.
HItzel on First Deck
2 days ago
Hey thanks Tom!
The deck right now is based on cards I got from a draft, got as gifts from friends, and from a quick online order I made of super cheap cards to get here in time for the next time we have a game night. The Harpooners are just the most power 2-costs I happen to have so far and the original plan was to just use Fierce Empaths to guarantee Tangle Golems every game because I don't want to spend 12 bucks on each set of meta cards without playing the deck first ─ after that I plan on buying more cards.
That all being said, it is my understanding that the pub stomp version of mono green generally revolves around Steel Leaf Champion, Nullhide Ferox, Pelt Collector, and a few others. While I have a foil nullhide from the draft, I don't want to avoid non-creature spells while learning the game. I'm most itching to get some steel leaves once I've tested the deck out since I can just run 4 of those instead of Empaths. Pelt Collector sounds awesome but I really have a good gut feeling about Viridian Emissary and if he works out I'm probably better off with bigger creatures so we'll see... probably will end up getting Pelt Collector anyway because girlfriend and christmas lol.
The gameplan is to just have a simple ramp of green creatures while I basically use a big ol' sideboard of white spells depending on which friend I am fighting. I also am interested in squeezing out some white stuff in favor of things like Ambush Viper, Ranger's Guile, and Assure / Assemble to buy my creatures some extra turns against common counter-strategies. Hopefully the Side and Maybe boards give you an idea of what I'm thinking and where I'll end up if I try to include less 1 and 2-ofs like you recommended. Do you think at that point I'll have a decent number of creatures to put in front while I experiment with different instants, enchantments, and sorceries? Are there any budget cards you have in mind?
As for Commander, I'm kinda intimidated by it and plan on just using other peoples' commander decks until I have a better grip on the game. It's already overwhelming enough to just pick 4x a few cards that I have to look up with no prior knowledge... 100 separate 1x cards or whatever is definitely a no-no for me unless someone wants to hand me a deck lol. Commander seems like it's good for long-time Magic players playing casually as opposed to beginners to Magic but maybe that's just me? The few times I played it at school I had no clue what was going on because I never saw the same card twice and had no idea what I was supposed to prepare for. Normal play is way easier to grasp. Anyway... My friend is letting me use his Ral, Izzet Viceroy for now but I don't have shit to make a spellslinger despite trying to make it work. Since I've started with Green I figured I can grab a Garruk Wildspeaker for Commander once I eventually get enough green stuff and experience to make the leap.
Anyway thanks for the help and I hope my response wasn't too long-winded. Cheers!
1 week ago
Implemented. 4 cards over. Talking like Yao from Ludesia: Spidering with Scrapping/Humiliated. As for Ral, Izzet Viceroy, His +1 is kinda like a Cantrip where in this case, it's more like Looting (1 in hand/1 in grave.). -3 is a literal punishment for a target creature equal to the # of instants/sorceries in your grave & in exile. A definite bonus if your grave isn't enough to oneshot. Finally, his -8 practically promotes Storm. You get an Emblem where just casting an instant/sorcery (Even casting copies. ;D) deals 4 to any target, & you draw 2. Lots of card advantage indeed. Although, you might be right about some things: it might be too risky, so Deckouts might be a huge problem. Well, at least you know how the new Ral works now. Kinda makes me wonder what happened w/ Dack before that fated battle w/ Ashiok that never happened. Was Dack Headding to the Starfield of Nyx? Anyways, 4 to cut. I wonder...
1 week ago
Made the Ral, Izzet Viceroy concession in the side deck. I'm pretty sure a 4th Teferi would PROBABLY be better there, but what the heck. Let's keep it awkward.
1 week ago
Chandra's uptick is more useful when a deck isn't reactionary. I'm sure flipping over a counterspell does feel bad. I understand that skepticism. However, in saying that, her emblem is monstrous. Easily something that finishes games. Jace, the Mind Sculptor does seem to fit this play style a lot better. I understand using him instead.
That is an interesting thought with the Phyrexian Metamorph, but also something that does seem clunky and cute. That spot would be better to stop other decks, rather than simply copying their win condition.
The suggestions I would have are:
The reason I am taking out the Spellskites is that against a deck that doesn't attack much or is combo, this card is dead. It only has 0 power which means it cannot attack. Shrapnel Blast I'm assuming is there to try and get the last bit of damage through, but you don't really want to be sacrificing your artifacts, or whatever other permanent you'll have with Liquimetal Coating. I get the combo with sacrificing lands late game with Isochron Scepter imprinting it, but that's a fragile combo and you'll probably want something more concrete. For these my thought process was to add in board wipes to help you against those aggressive matchups, of which you have Anger of the Gods. I suggested Sweltering Suns so that in a matchup that they aren't needed, you have a cycle. Your choice.
I know your hesitation with adding more lands, but 18 seems pretty low for a deck that may now have potentially 3 cards at 5 mana, as well as wanting to cast multiple spells a turn, if necessary. I only added in the two, and I felt with the benefit of the planeswalkers and Keranos they can help you draw through the rare pocket of lands.
Sideboard: I'm just going to create a sideboard for you as a template, then you can curtail it to what you need for your meta.
Damping Sphere is a two-for-one against storm and tron. For storm, your stall tactics don't really affect them. You have a couple counters, but Remand only stops them for a turn, and they can usually pay for Mana Leak once they start. Your creature destruction also helps, but they can also do it naturally. This is that little bit extra to stop them after game 1.
Echoing Truth is a catch-all. It is really good against tokens, enchantments (that you can't deal with once they land cough cough Leyline of Sanctity), ect. It can be brought in against anything and every, and imprinting it with Isochron Scepter I'm sure will feel amazing.
Blood Moon is helpful against multi-color decks as well as an extra boost against tron. I'm not sure how bad that matchup is for you, but it couldn't hurt. Decks that don't see the mainboard Blood Moon may not fetch correctly game two, and therefore you may have the advantage of stopping their colors.
Grafdigger's Cage is another almost catch-all in the sense that it stops storm, hurts Snapcaster Mage, dredge no longer means anything (and it is on the rise), and any other graveyard shenanigans. Warning, this stops Mission Briefing, so you may want to side that out if you need the Grafdigger's Cage.
Sorcerous Spyglass is a great card to stop planeswalkers (if they land) as well as other cards that may become a hassle. The looking at your opponent's hand is also very good in being able to plan your next couple of moves.
This sideboard is just a frame for you to mess around with. I don't play this kind of control so I used my knowledge of the meta, as well as when I've seen other people do, to make it. Hopefully it's at least adequate.
1 week ago
Also, is the intended way to win by ulting Ral, Izzet Viceroy or a fat Expansion / Explosion? Those are your only source of direct damage (excluding Ionize), so it may be worth the inclusion for 1x Niv-Mizzet, Parun or some number of Crackling Drakes. Just curious on your thoughts.