Legendary Creature — Human Artificer
When Pia Nalaar enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying.
: Target artifact creature gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
, Sacrifice an artifact: Target creature can't block this turn.
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Pia Nalaar Discussion
1 week ago
Splashing B really increases your available card pool. Cut / Ribbons and Bone Picker are both very good in a burn/tempo deck. You also get to run Alms of the Vein which is another huge burn spell for B and helps against aggro. Incendiary Flow is good. Collective Defiance is removal, burn, and a madness enabler/hand reset. I would also recommend against running more than 2 Bedlam Reveler since they are awful in multiples and can be hard to cast if you say, draw 2 of them and not enough spells. 15 creatures is too many to have Reveler be consistent. Thermo-Alchemist is insane in a burn deck.
-Add B, since it improves the deck whether you're going aggro or burn. It doesn't have to be a big splash, but a lot of good aggro creatures are black (Scrapheap Scrounger and Dread Wanderer), and you get good removal (Unlicensed Disintegration alongside Scrounger or Fatal Push) and sideboard options (Lay Bare the Heart is big right now).
-Decide whether you want to play creature aggro or burn. Bedlam Reveler doesn't really go in the creature version. Bomat Courier, Dread Wanderer, and Scrapheap Scrounger are pretty well set in the aggro version, along with 1-2 Glorybringer and/or 2-3 Hazoret the Fervent as top-end. The 2 and 3 drops are less set; I've seen Forerunner of Slaughter, Pia Nalaar and Weldfast Engineer, or Bloodrage Brawler if you're doing madness. You can also go a stronger artifact theme with Inventor's Apprentice if you have any Heart of Kiran. For the burn version, you want to cut most of the creatures except for 1-2 Bedlam Reveler and 4 Thermo-Alchemist. Bone Picker and Glorybringer also fit if preferred, but ideally the creature count is 8 or less. Goblin Dark-Dwellers is also pretty good if you tailor your spells so it can cast most of them. For spells, 4 Alms of the Vein and 4 Fiery Temper, 3-4 Lightning Axe, 2-3 Collective Defiance, 2 Cut / Ribbons, and either a 2-4 or a 3-3 split between Tormenting Voice and Cathartic Reunion, keeping in mind that Reunion is stronger, but harder to cast in general and much worse against control (since they can counter after you pay the discard cost - sweet 3 for 1). Incendiary Flow is a good card if you want another versatile early burn spell. You also need some number of sweepers. I prefer 2-damage sweepers here like Kozilek's Return or Flaying Tendrils since 3-damage sweepers take out Thermo-Alchemist, even though Sweltering Suns is pretty cool. Chandra, Torch of Defiance is pretty perfect in burn if you have it. You can also go a neat energy variant that runs Harnessed Lightning for removal, Aether Hubs, and 4 Gonti's Machinations. This gives you more survivability against aggro and another 1-cmc 3 damage effect. Not sure how inserting the energy subtheme affects the card totals.
-I don't think you want more than one Insult / Injury, if any. Injury is pretty expensive at 3 mana considering it does nothing without either another burn spell to follow up (hard to do before turn 5-6) or creatures on the field. The card doesn't seem great in aggro either since it's mostly just discard fodder. Injury is expensive for a sorcery burn spell.
-Soul-Scar Mage is fun, but doesn't really go in burn since he encourages you to burn creatures rather than your opponent. I feel like it might make sense as a sideboard card against big creature decks if you plan to try removing their creatures, but it's usually just better to have a fast burn clock against midrange.
This is mostly academic. The best burn deck in standard right now is U/R, but you basically need 4 Torrential Gearhulk (expensive!) and the deck is incredibly soft to Dispossess. You can also always make a U/R or Temur Turbo-Drake deck that just cycles and dumps most of your deck into the grave while casting fogs until you stick an Enigma Drake and Fling it at your opponent's face. The ability to do 50+ damage in a turn is pretty foul.
1 week ago
Hiya folks, as the titles says; Looking for help, / fast stuff. I am attempting to return to the standard scene, and as I have not been following the spoilers like a proper devoted player as of late I am a bit behind on what the meta is and blah blah blah... I borrowed a R/B deck for the standard showdown and loved how it played, so now I am trying to make it my own. I have created a build nearly identical to that I played, and am looking for help making some choices on cards. I have a brief write up in the description but I will try to add more here.
Pia Nalaar is questionable to me in this build, now someone suggested Kari Zhev, Skyship Raider, however I have yet to test this and would like further opinions.
Bloodrage Brawler is another iffy choice... 4/2 for 2cmc is nothing to shake a stick at, but with only 4 madness cards, is it worth it?
Don't even get me started on the sideboard, I just kinda made a mashup from different examples of r/b decks.
Sorry for the novel, for those that made it thanks for taking the time to read. On a final note, for anyone experienced with code... maybe they can tell me what I did wrong, it seems a bit wonky.
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2 weeks ago
Thanks flapjackwars for the suggestions. Let's discuss the ideas. Let me start by saying that this deck was built for a multi-player chaos environment. Speed isn't so much of a concern in my usual meta game. This deck was built more for endurance. At least that was the idea I was trying for.
Scrap Trawler and Pia's Revolution are in the deck to work in situation where someone has played Declaration of Naught naming my Commander. Yep, that has happened. So, in my view, I have 3 cards in my deck that recur artifacts for me instead of just one.
I've played Extruder in an artifact based deck before. It's ok. I thought about it for this deck. I guess I'm still on the fence about this one. I have the Bosh, Iron Golem, Krark-Clan Ironworks, Viscera Seer, Throne of Geth, and Trading Post for sacrifice outlets. Not sure if that is enough or the route I want to go with this deck. Ashnod's Altar is a good choice that I'm going swap out the Ironworks for. It does provide a wider range of sacrifice options.
In the maybe board I had before I posted this deck, I had the some of the cards you mentioned.
I cut the Time Sieve, which is a great card, because I felt that it painted too much of a target on me in table politics. It may still end up in the deck at some point. Not sure on this one. Tough choice for now. I'll probably have to play the deck some more to really get a feel for it.
I cut the Trinket Mage, Trophy Mage, and Treasure Mage because I didn't want this deck to really be about tutoring. Another reason I cut the tutor creatures was that I felt that they didn't syngerize with the +1 counters theme. I can't use them as Modular targets. They don't help as much once they are on the field except as blockers. And I can't recur them like I can with the other artifacts. Thopter Engineer suffers from some of the same problems. I like the 'artifacts gain haste' aspect, but I have Exava, Rakdos Blood Witch to provide haste. Exava gets seen by Marchesa where the Engineer does not. Pia and Kiran Nalaar, and Pia Nalaar are good cards but I just felt that they didn't syngerize as well as some of my other choices. They have the same sort of down sides that the tutor creatures do.
I didn't use the Sol Ring because I didn't think that I needed that kind of mana acceleration. Also, once I cut the Trinket Mage I didn't have a way of tutoring for it early enough in the game for it to be useful.
Marionette Master felt to mana costly for what it gave me when i first read it. Reading it again, it might fit. I'll have to think about that one for a while.
Treasure Keeper, Phyrexian Metamorph are really good cards that I overlooked. I am swapping the Cogwork Assembler for Phyrexian Metamorph based on your suggestions since it cost too much mana to make the copies with the Assembler. The Treasure Keeper is another card I'll need to think about for a bit. I like the free cast aspect. I'm not so fond of the reveal my deck to opponents aspect. Tough call.
I need to go through the new cards in Amonkhet to see what can fit into my EDH/Commander decks.
2 weeks ago
This is pretty cool. I have a similar deck that someday I might build. Not sure where you want the deck to end up power level wise but I'll suggest Extruder, Treasure Keeper, Phyrexian Metamorph, Thopter Engineer, Marionette Master, Thada Adel, Acquisitor, Pia and Kiran Nalaar, Pia Nalaar, Trophy Mage with Ashnod's Altar etc, Trinket Mage with Sol Ring etc, and the nuttiest card in the deck, Time Sieve. I feel like you'd also do better lowering your curve, as cards you can cast before Marchesa get to be recurred immediately, while higher cost cards compete with the casting Marchesa and can sometimes be late to the party afterwards (if you have to wait a whole turn cycle to recur them). I'll also warn you that Scrap Trawler and Pia's Revolution may prevent Marchesa from returning your artifact creatures and I'd recommend taking them out. I can suggest a lot more possible additions to consider and point out some things I'd cut if you'd like, I just wanted to rattle off the thoughts on the top of my head.
3 weeks ago
Thinking a bit about how to make UB artifacts flex a bit into R and G without forcing it. Esper is already there, I think. Came up with these additions:
Other good Artifacts that dont require you to build around:
Other potential cuts (not removed):
- Lieges. We could keep the UW one if we wanna do UW fliers, and we could keep the WR one to give tokens a bit more edge. Could also keep Creakwood Liege for sac fodder in GB
- Cavern Harpy We dont have a deck for it
- Boros Charm Its a bit too narrow
- Lexivore This is going to be a pain in the ass in complex board states.
General notes: we have way too many indestructible creatures. Lets tone it down a bit.
1 month ago
you can probably cut ruinous path down to 2 or 3, mainboard sorcery speed isn't as relevant. instead, you can have 4x of Grasp of Darkness, etc. if this isn't budget, Fatal Push is great as well. Bastion Inventor is strictly better than barricade breaker, because of hexproof, opponent's can't remove it. standard has so many useful removal spells, that bastion inventor works better. weaker, but harder to remove.
some additional nice cards are
although it is fine staying blue black, IMO adding red may be better, because it opens you up to cards like Unlicensed Disintegration, Pia Nalaar (for unblockable stuff also outlet for useless artifacts), and Maverick Thopterist.
you may want to increase your land count up to 24, maybe cut noxious gearhulk down to 3, lupine protector to 2, and remove a metallic rebuke? you generally want around 24 lands in a deck like this. hope this helps (:
1 month ago
Fiery Temper and other madness effects don't work with Shadow of the Grave. If you read the reminder text, it says to "discard this card into exile" and then put it in your graveyard. Therefore it will not be returned by Shadow. Samut, Voice of Dissent also isn't very good in a deck like this, and removing it allows you to cut around 3 lands. That opens up 9 slots, meaning you can make this into a more refined aggro deck with cards like Pia Nalaar, Fatal Push, Heart of Kiran, Shock, Walking Ballista, Unlicensed Disintegration, Glint-Sleeve Siphoner and/or Harnessed Lightning. Other weaker, non-repeatable discard outlets like Heir of Falkenrath Flip can be good too if you want to increase the Honored Hydra count.
Sorry if it looks like I just listed a bunch of stuff, but I really like this deck idea, and I feel like it might be able to go somewhere if you reduce the Shadow of the Grave count and add better aggro cards, and rely on just the occasional t3 kill.
1 month ago
BFG Thanks for asking, I've playtested this deck a bunch and Panharmonicon is very important on mainboard, it can create the infinite combo if I'm missing a combo piece and it is crazy when paired with Maverick Thopterist, Reckless Fireweaver and Pia Nalaar.