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(1)(Green), Sacrifice a non-Ooze creature: Put an X/X green Ooze creature token into play, where X is the sacrificed creature's power. Play this ability only any time you could play a sorcery.
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Ooze Garden Discussion
JuQ on Yasova EDH
3 weeks ago
Personally I'd go with around seven counterspells, that's what I have in my Simic aggro deck and feels about right.
I'd go with Counterspell, Negate, Disdainful Stroke, Swan Song, Stubborn Denial, Arcane Denial, Deprive, Familiar's Ruse. You want them low cost, but you want them to counter something for sure, they will most likely have some mana available after casting their spell. Keep in mind that sorceries are usually the most dangerous type of spell gainst permanents, most board wipes are sorceries.
Yasova is controlly with her stealing creatures all the time, you will be on the recieving end of the board wipes (at least figuring this on my meta). A bit of targeted removal for those creatures too big to control. Chandra's Ignition would be good, to clean the tokens, tho. Vandalblast for artifacts.
In my opinion you have more than enough sacrifice outlets and blinkers which have in fact the same job, not giving back the creatures you just borrowed. I think I'm counting about 17 all together.
I would cut:
Feed the Pack quite costly and you don't have much to do with all those wolves anyway. yes, you turn them sideways and they deal damage or you can sac them to goblin bombardment, but it's still way too expensive IMO, you need to keep your lands untapped.
Heart-Piercer Manticore and Fling. Again your problem are the creatures too big to steal with Yasova, and the burst of damage you get with them is not that relevant, you are controling the board, it's more important to preserve what you built.
Scourge of Skola Vale you gotta chose between keeping it as a sac outlet or attacking with it. you can only sac one creature per turn.
Ooze Garden I like the fact that it can trigger Temur Ascendency, but having to use it as a sorcery is a problem when you use Domineering Will or Reins of Power out of your turn, also you have to pay a bit of mana each time.
Keiga, the Tide Star I don't like having to kill it to gain control of something. It's better the way Conquering Manticore does it, take something, attack, sac it, keep manticore. Also doesn't combo with Deadeye Navigator or Conjurer's Closet. You have enough stealing creatures anyway.
Definitely keep Skullclamp, you are low on card draw and include the Greater Good you have in the maybe board, You need to dig through your library a lot to find the combo pieces.
2 months ago
Thanks Mave for the Suggestions! I replaced Champion of Rhonas with Greater Good, since he really was just a one trick pony, I would use his exert ability once and after I would already have Ghalta, Primal Hunger into play and by then his ability didn't really matter. I replaced Experiment One with Ooze Garden, even though I lost some tempo its not too bad, and Experiment One usually took too long to get big enough to be worth anything. I replaced Caged Sun with Death's Presence since by the time I could cast Caged Sun, I would already have the mana to cast Ghalta, Primal Hunger and I wouldn't really have much use for it.
Mave on Clever Girl
2 months ago
I think the Deck could work well. Still tink that there are three green enchantments which could improve your deck.Greater Good Can Sac. your commander to dig 12 cards deep into your deck giving you 9 cards in your hand 3 in the graceyard.Ooze Garden Is a save move where you spend 1G to return your commander to the command zone and get a 12/12 which reduces the costs by 12.Death's Presence Keeps the power of dying creatures on the board for later use to recast Ghalta.
2 months ago
Thanks for the comments on Arahbo, Xenagos... for Cats.
You've got all the reasonable CMC1 cats, Leonin Elder is a bit borderline for me. I see you have the fetch lands in the Sideboard, I assume the plan is to get those in, Steppe Lynx will thank you. I would get out some of those lands that enter the battlefield tapped. I only play a couple, Dryad Arbor so I can Green Sun's Zenith it, and Hall of the Bandit Lord.
Scavenging Ooze is good, non-cat obviously, but he's independently good anyway. May consider Ground Seal (see it in your maybeboard), it draws a card to replace itself so just costs you mana, and maybe draws an enchantment removal from opponents that might be saved for a Sylvan Library so they can continue with their deck strategy. Watchers of the Dead is also an on-cat-trend graveyard control card. He's 2 power for CMC2 so he doesn't hurt you either with the Eminence.
Fleecemane Lion is a nice tempo guy, hes 3 power for CMC2 and he has built-in Indestructible if you draw him late in the game, not too shabby... tabby
I really dislike Council's Judgment, it rarely removes what I really want, in Selesnya it's limited a bit for removal, I'd almost always rather have an Oblivion Ring so I get to choose, or a Path to Exile if I usually remove a creature / blocker.
Seeds of Innocence seems counter productive for an early turn 1 drop system, but I can see how eliminating all those CMC0/1/2 artifacts would be an advantage longer term. If you're looking to keep the board clear makes sense.
I would recommend Alms Collector, not sure how many Grixis commanders you fought, Kess, Dissident Mage, Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge with Show and Tell to Enter the Infinite combos, or even Izzet with Blue Sun's Zenith infinite draw, many EDH run mass draw, he shut's that down. Used him successfully many a time, I've even Chord of Calling him in response.
Enlightened Tutor is a nice way to pull Sylvan Library to keep tempo, and especially if your ramping into board wipes, help replace some cats into your hand. Maybe a Mirari's Wake instead of one of the more expensive ramp spells, to assist with the tokens and with the ramp?
I originally built the cats (using hypergeometric distribution formula), but I found, in Multi-Player commander, it wasn't enough so I abandoned that srtategy. Lately I've been thinking perhaps land destruction would be better paired with aggor-cats.
You already have Wasteland and Strip Mine, you could change one of your creature board removals into Cataclysm. Crucible of Worlds, Armageddon, Ravages of War, and maybe even Command Beacon would be needed however. With ramp, and the low CMC cats + Eminence I feel it's a viable aggro strategy. Maybe give it some thought, it's a shift, depends on how well it's performing for you.
I don't have a Gaea's Cradle so I don't run Crop Rotation, but I run Nature's Lore which I've been able to abuse a bit to ramp faster, and a little more expensive alternative Three Visits. I would also run Eladamri's Call, I know it doesn't go into play like the others, but its CMC2 for a bit more consistency.
Heirloom Blade could give you some survive ability through a board wipe, would also work with the various sac/draw like Greater Good to replace/draw a creature to replace the one lost. Scavenging Ooze would be your best friend.
6 months ago
Thank you for your suggestions! I think you are right... I have no idea why I overlooked Wake the Reflections in first place.
10 months ago
Just some random thoughts, sorry for the disorder. I don't really have time to organize this atm.
You're extremely light on way to interact with _non_creatures. You're gonna feel real silly as a green deck when you're facing an Asceticism and you don't have so much as a Reclamation Sage to deal with one enchantment. Consider taking out the tapping subtheme and adding Decimate, Beast Within, Hull Breach, or similar cards. Get Cyclonic Rift in there too. You need Turn to Frog much less than more noncreature interaction. Most any creature you can target, you can steal, one way or another, and the ones you can't probably aren't numerous enough to make Turn to Frog worth it.
17/39 is a lot of etb tapped lands. Try to replace some guildgates and Smoldering Crater at least, swap them for untapped dual lands, or conditionally untappeds or basics. I would guess that, while also etb tapped, the U and G vivid lands would serve better than guildgates. High Market has great utility with your gameplan. Opal Palace is possible, it helps with Yasova's power.
FYI, you can tag cards into multiple categories, so Helm of Possession, Grab the Reins, and Demonmail Hauberk can both go under Sacrificing as well. You might want even more sac outlets and fewer steal effects. Your general gives you the second but not the first, so the rest of your deck should provide more of the first and less of the second to ensure you have one of each every turn. It seems like you can do better than Barrin, Master Wizard. What about Ooze Garden? There's always the classics Fling and Birthing Pod.
You need card draw too, and a generous amount. A hand with 4 Threaten effects is a lot worse than one with 3 threaten effects and a Harmonize. At the very least, no Tibalt please. He doesn't even count as a steal effect, he's too slow for that. Shamanic Revelation, Rishkar's Expertise, and Treasure Cruise are all options. Skullclamp can turn your enemy's dorks into cards for you, or just pump up Yasova and give her death insurance. Add some more like Elvish Mystic of your own for more consistency out of the clamp. Life's Legacy and Momentous Fall do double duty. If Yasova is out, Life's Legacy is probably better than a hand of three threatens.
Under your ramp package, Temur Banner should be Commander's Sphere and Nissa's Pilgrimage should be Cultivate to fix your colors. You've got a pretty high curve, so adding even more ramp and bringing down the curve would help. Better to play a spell with 80% power than have a 100% power spell stuck in hand for three turns. Think about exchanging Clone Legion, Nissa's Renewal, and one of the expensive threaten effects with Rampant Growth, Farseek, and Primal Growth which gives another sac outlet. With more cheap fixing, you can run more basics, and therefor fewer etb tapped lands.
Rancor is nice for helping the general, much more efficient than Incremental Growth I think. Stormsurge Kraken seems pretty intimidating but it doesn't advance the gameplan and Yasova herself is pretty easy to remove.
1 year ago
1 year ago
I like the build. I strongly recommend Forgotten Ancient. It is a cheap way to pump up Yasova, allowing you to steal stronger stuff.
If you are looking at what to cut, I might focus on some of our counterspells. You are going for a totally different type of control here. And most of the sac outlets you can through in won't be able to be prime counterspell targets until it's too late.
I would also look at the question of "How do I want to win?" You've got a LOT of options in here (pumping your creatures up, countering key spells, swinging with creatures that have a lot of +1/+1s on them). My concern for you though is that it seems too unfocused. I would recommend focusing on 2 or 3 specific wins. If your primary way of winning is pumping the shit out of your own creatures - focus on that. If you want to win by stealing your opponents main creature and swinging with that, go with that. My main wins are either swinging with the opponents big guys and KEEPING them (Conjurer's Closet, Willbreaker, Corrupted Conscience, etc.) or stealing everyone's shit and sacing it, leaving me free to swing away (Insurrection, Mob Rule, etc. with Dracoplasm, Birthing Pod, Ooze Garden, etc.)
It's a strong build, and I think it will be a lot of fun to play. My personal preference is to go in with a plan, like I stated, but if you prefer to play it as it comes, that's cool too. Good build!