Oneirophage
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Oneirophage

Creature — Squid Illusion

Flying

Whenever you draw a card, put a +1/+1 counter on Oneirophage.

CopperheadCA on Jhoira, Weatherlight Legends

1 year ago

Playtested 3 games against my deck. Glad to see you included my commander Minn, Wily Illusionist. Found everything very expensive. I would suggest adding some lower cost legendaries. All these 4/5/6 drops you have could be switched over for 2 drops, can play twice as many in one turn to activate your commanders effect more often.

Some quick suggestions from a quick MTG search:

Additionally, I'd suggest some cards that react more to all the card draw (even if they aren't legendaries):

Tryptic on Second Wind Control

1 year ago

For some reason I was expecting to see Second Wind lol.

Looks alright, although it's a little light on payoffs. I like Oneirophage for decks like this, or Sprite Dragon. Of course the famous one is The Locust God.

This also might be good with Aegar, the Freezing Flame to let you burn things and draw cards at the same time. 4 copies of Irencrag Pyromancer almost seem required, and if you combo him with Aegar you could do quite a lot of drawing and killing things.

brandonplaysmagic on None

2 years ago

You could throw in an Oneirophage or a Chasm Skulker for extra value and some good beating while you’re drawing your cards.

brandonplaysmagic on Baby Faced Jace.

2 years ago

Oneirophage is devastating this deck. Really well built!

InfectedToe on Boat Commander Fun

2 years ago

Must Includes (IMO): Teferi's Ageless Insight | Jace's Erasure | Psychic Corrosion | Sphinx's Tutelage | Teferi's Tutelage

Other Good/Synergistic Cards: Laboratory Maniac | Oneirophage | Chasm Skulker

Evasion for Commander Damage: Slip Through Space | Distortion Strike | Shadow Rift

TTT60 on

2 years ago

ThousandOaks on Niv-Mizzet, Wheel of Hatred

3 years ago

Blaksteele Really nice protoype. Niv-Mizzet, Parun may be one of the most fun commanders in EDH. I really think you have a solid prototype here. Definitely play test it to see what direction you want to take this beast.

A few suggestions:

*Less Creatures*

Niv-Mizzet, Parun loves when you draw cards and casts spells. I would recommend playing less creatures and more spells that net raw card draw. Cards like Oneirophage seem great, but aren't as valuable as triggering Niv-Mizzet's ability. The same is true with creatures like Tolarian Kraken or Nadir Kraken where you have to spend resources on top of drawing cards to trigger an additional effect.

Instead of running the extra creatures, I would trust more in Niv-Mizzet, Parun . Fill your deck with cheap spells that draw cards, and in turn trigger Niv-Mizzet, Parun 's ability to draw extra cards and do damage. Opt , Brainstorm , Wheel and Deal , Windfall , Ponder are all great examples that exploit Niv-Mizzy so well.

If you're going to run creatures, I think you double down on creatures that punish players each time you draw. You already have Electrostatic Field , so maybe include Guttersnipe ?

*Protection and Interaction*

Niv-Mizzet, Parun 's greatest weaknesses are his mana cost (3 red + 3 blue) and protecting him. This is truly a deck that will probably not win without its commander on the field, so you really need to protect him. You should include a package of instants that will allow you to interact with your opponents' attempts to remove him. Lazotep Plating is a cheap option. Basic control magic will also be very helpful (and each one triggers Niv-Mizzy). Counterspell , Delay , Narset's Reversal , Wizard's Retort etc are all good and affordable options. Consider removing Jaya, Venerated Firemage and Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded to make room for them. These planeswalker seem good, but will almost never net you as much value as other instant/sorceries will.

*Manabase and Mana-fixing*

As noted above, getting down Niv-Mizzet will be tough if you can't mana fix. If you are running 40 lands, make sure you have a way to fix your mana. You're going to need 3 Red and 3 Blue to cast Niv-Mizzet. In a basic land only build, to get Niv-Mizzy out on curve, you'll need to make sure you never miss a land drop and you drop down the right land each drop. Most games you'll lose, will probably be because you can't cast Niv-Mizzy. I'd add tools that make sure that happens. Arcane Signet is an easy add. Expedition Map as well.

As you build your mana base, focus on lands that don't come into play tap but can produce any color mana.

*OVERALL*

Really great starting place! You got it down to a solid win condition, you have a clear vision on how you're going to get there, and you have themes that support the plan. All you need know is focusing down on those themes a little more and finding more consistent paths to success. Well done for your second build. (Remember to include your manabase, even if its just filled with basic lands... because right now, it looks like you're playing 40 lands. With an average CMC of 3.5, that seems like a lot.)

TotesMcGoats on Wizzardrix (Kwain, Itinerant Meddler)

3 years ago

Hey no worries OatmealBear, happy to help!

You nailed it on the first question. Originally I was making a mill deck with Kami of the Crescent Moon and all of those kinds of cards, but I think thats its own dedicated strategy, not really a group hug thing. You can certainly include group draw cards in that style of deck to get extra triggers and draw your opponents through their decks even faster too, but I don't think they go in the friendlier soft-control style we're going for here. People see Kwain and their first thought is, "That seems kinda underpowered and totally innocent...how are they trying to break it?" And the point of this deck is, for us at least, we're not trying to break him, we're just playing him as nothing but a straight up helpful good boy. But as soon as you play something like Psychic Corrosion, they think exactly: "Ah, that's what their gameplan is. Its a mill deck," and the jig is up. Kinda hard to play innocent after that. Otherwise with our deck, if you don't specifically know about the Smothering Tithe+Prosperity combo, you could search our whole deck and have no idea what our win condition is, it just looks like a pile of friendly group hug cards and some removal and counterspells. I think a card draw/mill deck is definitely doable, but you're probably better off going with Bruvac the Grandiloquent or Kami of the Crescent Moon and hard committing to the strategy. You can even still run the combo in mono-blue now thanks to Hullbreacher, which was originally going to be my plan until they spoiled Kwain and I got hella excited, lol.

As for Mirrodin Besieged, you'd have to play a lot more artifacts to make it work. If you're just using if for the card draw, we have enough strictly better options that don't make us discard so we don't really need it, and I don't think we have enough artifact spells to capitalize off of making Myr tokens or enough atifacts to be able to get enough artifacts into our grave for the alternate win condition. Just not sure what it really does for us. If you're just looking to make some tokens to chump block with, Nadir Kraken and Chasm Skulker are great at that, but I cut them because they can get awful huge and threatening and draw unnecessary aggro toward us. Oneirophage, Toothy, Imaginary Friend, and Psychosis Crawler are kinda the same, people see them and go "Aha, THAT'S your win condition!" and immediately want to blow it up so that you don't even become a problem. Hence, I cut them. No threats, no worries!

As for Windfall, I think its value is somewhat diminished for us in our deck. We tend to hold a full hand of cards most of the time with all our extra drawing, and Windfall gets the best value after you've played out your hand and can capitalize on discarding maybe 1 or 2 cards to draw 6 or 7 off an opponent. However, when everyone has full hands, its usually not card advantage anymore, its basically just a one-time Teferi's Puzzle Box except we have to discard everything in our hand, some things we might have prefered to keep, and instead draw a whole new hand blind. It can sort of be a win condition on its own in the late game if you've built up a sizeable enough hand that a Windfall might just mill everyone out, but for that, you'll need to have Jace, Wielder of Mysteries or Laboratory Maniac to win when you draw out. I found myself a lot of times with more cards in my hand than in my deck and less cards in my deck than in my opponents, and neither of the two alt win-cons, so Windfall didn't do me any good at all. They literally project "Hi, I'm a win condition", and they aren't any good on their own, so they tended to end up dead in my hand, so I just ended up cutting them and relying on the other win conditions instead.

Hope that helps! Lemme know if you have any other cards you're considering, I've probably thought about them to, and I'm happy to share my thoughts!

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