Ob Nixilis's Cruelty
Target creature gets -5/-5 until end of turn. If that creature would be put into the graveyard from the battlefield this turn, exile it instead.
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|War of the Spark (WAR)||Common|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Ob Nixilis's Cruelty Discussion
1 month ago
Thanks so much for commenting!!
After Standard rotated (with the Ixalan block no longer being legal), I stopped playing Standard and haven’t been back since — I haven’t played the format with Core 2020 or Throne of Eldraine. Mostly this was because I could no longer play my Pirates!!
Then, Pioneer popped up, and just like you, it got me thinking. I haven’t thrown a list together yet, but I had considered upgrading these Pirates and seeing how they’d do in the new environment.
I would LOVE to have a discussion with you on how to upgrade this decklist for the new format. Send me a PM here on Tappedout, and maybe we can do a Google Hangouts or whatever and have an actual chat about it!
I don’t really have much of an idea about the Pioneer metagame. Is it even settled yet into smallish group of dominant strategies, or is it still wide open? I honestly have not been paying much attention.
Since Pioneer is basically Return to Ravnica forward, minus fetch lands, here are my initial thoughts right off the bat:
Mainboard Duress moves aside for the full playset of Thoughtseize . When they reprinted this in Theros, I immediately thought it would be absurd in an aggressive shell, and Pirates is perfect for that. Given the incredible performance of Drill Bit as auxiliary hand disruption out of the sideboard (we only run in when we are on the play or against hard Control), I’d say we would be happy to mainboard 4 copies of Thoughtseize .
Mana Confluence : Maybe run four of these over Dragonskull Summit ? If we can reduce the probability of playing taplands (and therefore having slow starts that could cost us games) to 0%, I feel like we would be well-served. When I did lose games with this deck, over half the time I’d say it was to drawing awkward mana and having too many Summits coming in tapped. If the meta is aggressive or burn-heavy, we might want to think twice before running so much pain in our mana base, but it’s worth considering.
Rending Volley : Possible sideboard option? Don’t know the meta but this is a fairly good color hoser. The other card in this Dragons of Tarkir cycle that we have access to, Self-Inflicted Wound , comes to mind as well, but it doesn’t strike me as a competitive enough to be playable in Pioneer.
Ob Nixilis's Cruelty : I think this is still a really good removal spell for the sideboard. Deals with indestructible, stops graveyard strategies and reanimation, and gets things with 5 toughness off of the board ( Siege Rhino comes to mind here). What do you think?
Sorcerous Spyglass vs. Phyrexian Revoker : As a creature, Revoker is squishier and easier to kill, but it does advance our clock faster against control and combo decks because it can attack. Losing the ability to peek at the opponent’s hand is also a drawback, but with hand disruption and Game 1 information, we should already have a pretty good idea of what the opponent has and is relying on. Revoker can also turn off mana dorks, since his ability does cover mana abilities, so that’s an upside too. This gives us some play against ramp decks, and since Elvish Mystic and Llanowar Elves are in the format, I’d say we might want to have an extra card against ramp!
March of the Drowned : I still think this is one of best cards against grindy matchups and Control decks, and depending on how Pioneer’s meta is, we might even want to play more than two copies. It’s a really cheap and efficient reanimation card for Pirates.
Kolaghan's Command : This card seems too good to ignore for the sideboard. Extra removal, hand disruption, reanimation and artifact hate on one card? I’d say it’s better than Angrath's Rampage even though it costs more (and it is an instant, too).
New Pirates?: I know Core 2020 added Glint-Horn Buccaneer , which at 3 mana and 4 toughness is very interesting and within our curve. It’s far sturdier than all our other creatures, does have haste, and causes incremental damage when we discard a card to its ability. This could be very useful against Control or grindy midrange in particular, since it can help us get through land pockets if we run into one. Against aggro matchups, it blocks fairly well if we are on the ropes. Definitely not a bad Pirate or a bad three-drop. But what to cut for it? Is it just a sideboard piece too? Or do we skip it? Also, are there other new Pirates in these colors that I am overlooking?
Anyway, those are my initial thoughts. Shoot me a private message and I’ll give you my gmail and maybe we can link up and have a real discussion! I agree with you that there is real potential here! Thanks for your interest and have a great day!!
2 months ago
Fatal Push has been better for me so far than I originally expected; thinking of going with 2 more of those. Grasp of Darkness and Ob Nixilis's Cruelty have been on my shortlist as well. I'm finding Murderous Rider to be maybe slightly clunky, but not too horrible yet.
2 months ago
I used to run a very similar deck, but in my experience Maralen is just too fragile. Expunge , Murder , Reckless Spite , Price of Fame , Murderous Cut , Ashes to Ashes , Ob Nixilis's Cruelty , Force of Despair , Never/Return , Sever the Bloodline , Silence the Believers , Cannibalize seem to me to be vastly preferable to Dash Hopes , Eyeblight's Ending , Rend Flesh , Kiku's Shadow , Withering Boon . Does Mindcrank even do anything here without Bloodchief Ascension ?
Chuglife96 on Sorin
3 months ago
if you put CMDR after the text for Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord he will be labeled as the commander of the deck. Nightmare is a great card in this. you should put Slate Street Ruffian in your discard commander Vampire Opportunist is a bit expensive for that effect you should put a second planeswalker in here for Ignite the Beacon Ob Nixilis's Cruelty is on of the best cards printed in a long time!!! Wanderer's Strike is a bit much in mana cost for just an exile seeing as how you don't have much need for proliferate.
4 months ago
FWIW, the Syr Gwyn precon deck already comes with 3 valid targets for Sunforger , but that decklist also contains absolute duds that could be replaced (like Marauder's Axe could probably be removed and replaced with a Warleader's Helix . Single Combat should be taken out of the precon too, it's so bad). For reference, those aforementioned Sunforger targets are:
The following included instants can't be searched for with Sunforger because, while the cards are anywhere but on the stack, their converted mana cost is equal to the combined costs of both halves:
So, one might probably remove Sunforger if you're not going to put in at least two to five more valid instants of CMC 4 or less.
5 months ago
5 months ago
Hello! So a lot of my suggestions will depend on budget/card access; since I don't know what yours is, I'll just leave all of the suggestions I think of. Feel free to ignore me.
The first thing I think of when I think of a 'demon' deck is Shadowborn Apostle . With a critical mass of these lil' buggers, you can just tutor out whichever demon is good for any given situation. Pair them with Thrumming Stone for instant fun. To take that strategy a little farther, you might consider running Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker as your general. I know he's not a demon, but his synergy with the Shadowborn Apostle s makes him an honorary demon, as far as I am concerned.
Ramp is a premium in EDH. I notice you have a few rocks already in your deck; however, I think there're better ones you can run. In general, two-mana mana-rocks are going to be a lot better than three-mana mana-rocks, if only because once you're at three mana you typically want to be doing more than just ramping. I like your Jet Medallion ; consider Thought Vessel , Mind Stone , Charcoal Diamond , Coldsteel Heart , Prismatic Lens , Mana Vault , Mox Diamond and Mana Crypt . With as many artifacts as you have, Mox Opal is usually going to be online, too.
Land-wise, I must confess confusion as to why you're running Command Tower . If I am not missing something, it's a Swamp that dies to Wasteland , Back to Basics , Blood Moon , Magus of the Moon , Ruination , Dust Bowl and friends. I think you should replace it with a basic Swamp . Temple of the False God is a land I have mixed feelings about, as it isn't exactly the sort of land you want to see in your opening seven; that being said, it can be powerful late-game. Consider Ancient Tomb , as (since it was reprinted recently) it is at a relatively low price, and it can cast two-mana mana-rocks on turn one. Additionally, in mono-black, Cabal Coffers and Cabal Stronghold are very powerful mana sources. Pairing them with Deserted Temple works pretty well, too. Consider Lake of the Dead , Shizo, Death's Storehouse and Phyrexian Tower as good utility-lands. Also, you could probably use two to four more lands in your list. Twenty-eight is pretty much were I tend to bottom out on land-count, at that's when I'm running all the zero-mana mana-rocks.
Card-draw, card-selection and tutoring are all also very important in EDH. Demonic Tutor and Vampiric Tutor are the gold-standard for tutors, though their prices tend to make them rather inaccessible. Scheming Symmetry is a good tutor if your general is out; similarly, Maralen of the Mornsong seems... worth trying. Presumably, someone is going to take thirteen and kill her, but she's probably pretty good anyway. Diabolic Tutor , which I see you run, is a good option; Dark Petition , Mastermind's Acquisition and Beseech the Queen also come to mind. In the vein of card-draw, consider Night's Whisper , Ambition's Cost , Read the Bones , Phyrexian Arena , Twilight Prophet , Staff of Nin , Ancient Craving , Sign in Blood , Necropotence , Harvester of Souls , Null Profusion , Succumb to Temptation and friends. Graveborn Muse is good even as just a second Phyrexian Arena if you only have one zombie out. If you pair Waste Not with Words of Waste , you can also generate card-advantage. Almost as good as card-draw is preventing your opponents from drawing cards -- unfortunately, in mono-black this is pretty much just Chains of Mephistopheles , which costs about as much as a used kidney these days. Usually I'd suggest Narset, Parter of Veils or Spirit of the Labyrinth .
In terms of removal, you typically don't want to settle for one-for-ones. In EDH, you're generally facing three opponents, which means you're facing three times the number of creatures/threats that you would be facing in a one-v-one. So trading a card for just one creature is often times just not enough. I don't think Ob Nixilis's Cruelty or Unholy Hunger are very good, for that reason. You may have more luck with Ashes to Ashes , Toxic Deluge , Damnation and the like... perhaps even Hex , though keep in mind you'd need six targets on the field to even cast it. Decree of Pain , Overwhelming Forces , Mutilate and Rain of Daggers are also worth considering. Black also has access to some fun pox-style cards. Innocent Blood , Barter in Blood , Liliana's Triumph or Smallpox can all be powerful in the early-game, if you're ramping with artifacts and don't have any important creatures out yet. Similarly, I should mention Pox itself -- this is easily one of the most brutal cards to resolve in EDH, right behind Ravages of War , Armageddon and Cataclysm . I haven't had much luck with it, but depending on your meta Pox may be a powerhouse.
In the Stax/Pox vein, you might consider Night of Souls' Betrayal . Doing away with some of your X/1s would make this a powerhouse, and it is an insta-kill against elf- or goblin-decks. In the right meta, Yixlid Jailer is good; though bear in mind it's a straight nonbo with Night of Souls' Betrayal .
I see you're running Leyline of the Void . Consider pairing it with Helm of Obedience . If you activate Helm of Obedience targeting an opponent while Leyline of the Void is out, the mill from the helm will be replaced with exiling the card. Thus, Helm of Obedience just makes the opponent keep trying to put the top card of their deck into their graveyard and keep exiling it instead. This results in exiling your opponent's library, and leaving Helm of Obedience tapped on the field. This combo only takes out one opponent at a time, is sure to draw a lot of hate, and requires several tutors to make it consistent, but I figured you might be interested in it. If you're good at politics (I'm not), it can be a pretty powerful A-Bomb.
In mono-black, you should consider a reanimator package. Buried Alive or Entomb combined with Animate Dead , Reanimate , Necromancy , Victimize , Dance of the Dead or even Exhume can get a fatty on the table real fast. Entomb -ing Lord of the Void turn one and Reanimate -ing him turn two (or even turn one, if you run Dark Ritual or Lotus Petal ) seems pretty good to me. Whip of Erebos is also a form of permanent-based reanimation, which has the added bonus of gaining you life.
If you're having trouble killing opponents, consider Helm of the Host . This'll add a new threat to the board every turn, provided you can keep one on the table. Bloodchief Ascension also puts down one hell of a clock. Doom Whisperer , Herald of Anguish , Carnifex Demon and Desecration Demon are all additional demons to consider.
Finally, in terms of what to cut: Start by looking for inefficient cards or over-redundant/unnecessary/underwhelming effects. Keep an eye on those cards when you play, and if you're often seeing them, wishing you could just discard them and draw another card, that's a card you should cut. It might be a baller effect, but if the cost is too high or the effect to narrow, it isn't worth running.
Good luck, man!
5 months ago
I would swap Mana Vault for Strip Mine . It may not be a clear cut decision like I'm going to make it sound, but I can only think of 4 Land cards to target with the Strip Mine . The two that we've encountered the most are Glacial Chasm and Cabal Coffers , leaving Maze of Ith and Gaea's Cradle for the other two targets. In all of the games that we've played, seldom have you activated Strip Mine to blow anyone's land up. That being said, its main utility is kind of irrelevant. One colorless mana is still one colorless mana, so there's that, but I honestly don't think you'll miss it too much. One more thing that I could say to advocate for Strip Mine are the times (which are more frequent than any of the land cards listed above) when a useful value/combo piece is shut down by Imprisoned in the Moon . This is a pretty cheeky way to get it back without a Naturalize or similar card, due to Tassigur's recursive nature. The last thought is if you were to run Strip Mine , get ready to run a Scaretiller to get it really running and to help thin your graveyard.
Sylvan Library is maybe more important than the Mana Vault . Ramp is valuable, but card advantage is invaluable. You can preview your first Tassigur interaction for that rotation, and maybe it makes sense to reorder your top two cards if you have a draw spell to either force a land into the graveyard, or grab one so you don't miss a drop. I haven't encountered a game where Shadow of Doubt has made an impact, but I think that is a similar casting cost card with a much less desirable or lasting effect. Shadow of Doubt has that sweet fetch land swat if you want to put someone behind.
Lastly, Exsanguinate needs to be in here as an alternative wincon. Recently, we played a game where you had the ability to make infinite mana, but not an effective means to use it other than Tassigur activations, and due to the board state, that wasn't exactly desirable. Exsanguinate is less flashy, but just as an effective means to close out a game. Maybe get rid of Ob Nixilis's Cruelty or Capsize to make room. You'll basically be running two of them if you can Muddle the Mixture and grab it.