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Search target player's library for X cards, where X is the number of cards in your hand, and remove them from the game. Then that player shuffles his or her library.
Epic (For the rest of the game, you can't play spells. At the beginning of each of your upkeeps, copy this spell except for its epic ability. You may choose a new target for the copy.)
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Neverending Torment Discussion
2 weeks ago
Wow! Fascinating idea for a deck! Don't know your budget at all but here we go!
My suggestions: Neverending Torment is not a good win condition. I prevents only you from casting spells, meaning the other players will tutor up cards and beat you. I personally don't think you'll ever win a game this way.
Here's what I think you should do. Take it how you will.
Add: indicates commander staple, because I know you're new :)
This will protect the most important part of the deck, and the linchpin of your strategy.
Then, the #1 suggestion I have for you and the one I want to to try even if you ignore everything else: Ob Nixilis, Unshackled.
Do you see it?? That's 13 life each turn. That's a four turn clock. With enough protection no one will be able to stop you.
Want to double down? Add Strionic Resonator*. That copies Ob's ability, now you're hitting them for 23.
Triple down? Wound Reflection. Kill someone, and watch everyone else tremble in fear.
How do I get these combo pieces, you ask? Easy.
BOOOOOOOOOOM. Necropotence has a huge down side that's MITIGATED BY YOUR COMMANDER. Think about it. Draw all your cards at the cost of you're life, your opponents are stuck with 3-4 and you have 20. You win by sheer card advantage.
Ad Nauseam is another way to get around the inability to draw. Very very strong.
How else do we get stuff we need? Tutors.
Now what about all the cards in their hands and their tutors? Discard.
After that, we punish them further for having so few cards.
Shrieking Affliction this with ob is 16 damage per turn, that's a three turn clock!
Tree of Perdition will out right kill someone with Ob and Maralen out. Take out the strongest player and pick off the rest!
I know this is a lot to take in... honestly I hope you don't use it all because now I'm gonna make a deck with her...
4 months ago
So it's a cool concept, I like it.
The mana curve isn't very good though, you have no ramp and very expensive wincons, that means your control game has to keep moderns fast aggro meta from winning for quite some time.
A big problem I see here is if Neverending Torment doesn't win you the game in 1 or maybe 2 turns you can't play any control spells to stop them from killing you, you have to sweep the board before playing it, and then hope it wins fast enough. You don't have any passive defenses like ghostly prison etc, apart from the life gain. Maybe it's possible to play it in such a way that you consistently win in 1-2 turns after casting it. It looks slow and unreliable to me, but of course I haven't tested the deck.
I think you should have 2 ghost quarter or tectonic edge in you land base to deal with tron and utility lands.
Also this deck should play 4 serum vision, or maybe Opt now that it becomes legal soon, for card filtering, this lets you keep way more hands.
4 months ago
One rules interaction that I have noticed that you may be playing wrong is that you are not able to play Ancestral Vision after using Neverending Torment. Other than that, this looks like it could be pretty interesting to play around with.
10 months ago
Neverending Torment would be good if i didn't try to empty my hand that late in the game
1 year ago
Some black mass exile strategy involving Extraplanar Lens (lots of discard, and some grave recursion to protect it) - Snow-Covered Swamp for good measure
Add some static removal engine to the board then start casting stuff like kicked Sadistic Sacrament, or Neverending Torment. people tend to be in their table flipping mood once any of those resolve.
For removal of the board may i recommend Oblivion Stone, All Is Dust and their brethren.
(Mind Slash with some grave recursion creatures is also an option - it is not only a targeted, but an instant speed discard)
1 year ago
So I've been thinking. How would Panoptic Mirror interact with epic?
I asked a question here