|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Printings View all
|Dragons of Tarkir (DTK)||Uncommon|
Combos Browse all
Minister of Pain
Creature — Human Shaman
Exploit (When this creature enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a creature.)
When Minister of Pain exploits a creature, creatures your opponents control get -1/-1 until end of turn.
Price & Acquistion Set Price Alerts
Minister of Pain Discussion
2 weeks ago
Nether Void is just insane.
Carpet of Flowers is a must-have in any stax deck where blue decks are going to be in your play group. Guttural Response, Red Elemental Blast, Pyroblast also things I'd recommend if blue decks are prevalent.
I'm also noticing a distinct lack of discard effects. One of the best ones in stax is Bottomless Pit.
1 month ago
If you need a second Minister of Pain, it is definitely something to consider. In general I wouldn't think you would need more than one outside of special circumstances, such as lots of tokens in your meta, or your playgroup packing lots of grave hate (where need to ensure a backup win condition in case Minister of Pain gets exiled).
If you only pick one, I still think Minister of Pain is the better choice, because:
- Minister of Pain automatically loops with itself (don't need a sac outlet, just need Meren)
- Minister can be used as a free sac outlet for another key creature (i.e. Mindslicer or Reclamation Sage)
- Single- is preferable to double-.
On the other hand, if combat is very relevant for you, or you have more sacrifice engines you need to feed, then Plague Mare might be a better meta call (though in general, imo the advantages of Minister outweigh those of Plague Mare)
1 month ago
2 months ago
Apologies, got a bit ahead of myself and submitted that comment early. A few corrections:
- You can choose not to Exploit with Minister of Pain, but your opponents can still Strip Mine or Wasteland AFTER you make that choice and while the -1/-1 ability is on the stack.
- Minister of Pain will NOT kill your own lands (apologies, I also play a more casual mass-destruction deck and got mixed up for a minute). However your opponents can still instant-speed remove Urborg and prevent Minister from actually wiping their landbase (though you might still get a swamp here or there)
2 months ago
Re: Tutor Targets: Obviously it depends on the game, but I would say by far the most common searches are for two cards: Contamination and Living Plane. Contamination on its own locks out many decks, but devastates practically all cEDH lists if you manage to land it together with a Null Rod on the field. Because Null Rod is one of the very first cards you'll want to find in many games, there is a reasonable chance you have already tutored and played it. If you have, a subsequent Contamination usually just ends the game as your opponents have no way to play anything and would slowly die via combat damage. (Two big exceptions are mono-black opponents and mana dorks - however mono- is basically non-existent in CEDH, and mana dorks are usually already dead to wipes or Merciless Executioner effects). Living Plane is the other main tutor target, as it is 1/2 of the "winning" combo and the other 1/2 (Minister of Pain) is "findable" by a much greater number of tutors (i.e. Survival of the Fittest). So, the find-anything tutors are usually used to find the enchantment half of the combo.
Chains of Mephistopheles is a lot like Carpet of Flowers - depending on your opponents' decks it is either outrageously powerful or completely useless. For me the reasoning on both cards is pretty simple - Carpet of Flowers is almost always "on" (very rarely is NO ONE at the table playing blue), while Chains of Mephistopheles is usually rather useless. It purely comes down to the fact that the particular decks in my meta just aren't shut down by it, so it's not worth including. It is always something to keep on the radar, however; stax is an extremely meta-dependent archetype and for many it will be a fantastic inclusion.
Re: Budget - Unless you are playing ~75% EDH or below, I wouldn't recommend the Kormus Bell route; it is just too difficult to assemble all three cards, and also quite vulnerable to disruption. The main issue is that non-creature cards are FAR more difficult to tutor for. Finding one non-creature card (for the existing two-card combo) is doable but even that can pose issues at times; having to find TWO non-creature cards is a very big ask and I just don't see it being very viable against competitive opponents. The combo would usually be slowly assembled and (likely) telegraphed, but there is an even bigger problem with it. Assuming Kormus Bell and Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth are in play, and you cast a Minister of Pain, any of your opponents can instant-speed respond by killing Urborg with Strip Mine or Wasteland, so that when Minister resolves, you will end up just killing a bunch of your own swamps (maybe some of theirs, but most of their lands will survive and many of yours will not).
On a budget I would HIGHLY recommend going the Hulk Combo route as a wincon, and by far one of the best decklists available for this is roguelikedev's Honorbru Meren (see below). The wincon package is much cheaper (financially) and is at least as potent/competitive as my approach (if not moreso!!!)
Commander / EDH
SCORE: 4 | 8 COMMENTS | 1080 VIEWS | IN 2 FOLDERS
10 months ago
As far as Alesha goes, she is my second oldest deck. I run her as a vicious toolbox. See http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/alesha-can-be-such-a-bitch-v33/ for the most current iteration. Whenever I go play somewhere new, I usually run Alesha since she can play battlecruiser, or fast combo equally well. I spend hours reviewing new sets and playtesting new toys for Alesha.
10 months ago
I gotta say tacosalad..... I do not understand why I am the only one to have upvoted this gem you have. I really like the different approach you have taken with Shirei, and am heavily considering building this deck after I finish my Neheb, the Eternal build. It's funny you mention Alesha, Who Smiles at Death in your description because she is my main deck. I have been building around, and slightly struggling, with the Fate Reforged legendary humans for the past year. I really like them. The issue I have been running into is that they are all 3 color generals, and I've been struggling with balancing the colors.
Anyway... back on target. I know that she is not recurrable with Shirei, but I think it is a definite synergy with the deck; Minister of Pain. It's surprising just how many combo enabling creatures are just 1 toughness. This creature can shut down a lot of strategies, not to mention the obvious take-down of most token decks.
11 months ago
Hey FireStorm4056. I gotta say, I really appreciate the time and effort that has been put into this primer! It's so great to see a fresh, different approach to Meren (meaning not seeing the "typical" Lord of Extinction + Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord combo, Sheoldred, Whispering One etc....).
I was hoping that you would take a look at my Meren deck Graveyard Shenanigans (sorry, it doesn't want to link) and help me with thinning out the deck. It's extremely creature heavy, my thought process has been to control the board with creatures until I can set up a win with something unconventional like Dance of Shadows. I'm finding that it is entirely too slow, or I just can't slog through all the creatures to get what I want. I'd love your eyes on it, I feel like I have a fun different shell and want to figure out a way to make it work. I really liked your explanation on Minister of Pain. I had seen him in other builds, but had never thought about his one-sided use with Meren. I actually was just wrecked by a Yisan deck the other night, and really could have used the Minister to shut him down. He's exactly what I needed, and I didn't even know it.
For any suggestions you may have on my deck, please keep in mind that I'm on a budget. I do not currently have the funds for expensive shit.