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Minister of Pain
Creature — Human Shaman
Exploit (When this creature enters the battlefield, you may sacrifice a creature.)
When Minister of Pain exploits a creature, creatures your opponents control get -1/-1 until end of turn.
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Minister of Pain Discussion
7 months ago
As far as Alesha goes, she is my second oldest deck. I run her as a vicious toolbox. See http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/alesha-can-be-such-a-bitch-v33/ for the most current iteration. Whenever I go play somewhere new, I usually run Alesha since she can play battlecruiser, or fast combo equally well. I spend hours reviewing new sets and playtesting new toys for Alesha.
8 months ago
I gotta say tacosalad..... I do not understand why I am the only one to have upvoted this gem you have. I really like the different approach you have taken with Shirei, and am heavily considering building this deck after I finish my Neheb, the Eternal build. It's funny you mention Alesha, Who Smiles at Death in your description because she is my main deck. I have been building around, and slightly struggling, with the Fate Reforged legendary humans for the past year. I really like them. The issue I have been running into is that they are all 3 color generals, and I've been struggling with balancing the colors.
Anyway... back on target. I know that she is not recurrable with Shirei, but I think it is a definite synergy with the deck; Minister of Pain. It's surprising just how many combo enabling creatures are just 1 toughness. This creature can shut down a lot of strategies, not to mention the obvious take-down of most token decks.
8 months ago
Hey FireStorm4056. I gotta say, I really appreciate the time and effort that has been put into this primer! It's so great to see a fresh, different approach to Meren (meaning not seeing the "typical" Lord of Extinction + Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord combo, Sheoldred, Whispering One etc....).
I was hoping that you would take a look at my Meren deck Graveyard Shenanigans (sorry, it doesn't want to link) and help me with thinning out the deck. It's extremely creature heavy, my thought process has been to control the board with creatures until I can set up a win with something unconventional like Dance of Shadows. I'm finding that it is entirely too slow, or I just can't slog through all the creatures to get what I want. I'd love your eyes on it, I feel like I have a fun different shell and want to figure out a way to make it work. I really liked your explanation on Minister of Pain. I had seen him in other builds, but had never thought about his one-sided use with Meren. I actually was just wrecked by a Yisan deck the other night, and really could have used the Minister to shut him down. He's exactly what I needed, and I didn't even know it.
For any suggestions you may have on my deck, please keep in mind that I'm on a budget. I do not currently have the funds for expensive shit.
8 months ago
Living Plane or Natural Affinity if Humility is up works with Toxic Deluge and Orzhov Pontiff/Minister of Pain in the wishboard to destroy all opponents lands. really like the deck, excellent write up and interesting idea I've never seen before.
8 months ago
We don't really run any combos around Ramunap Excavator or Life from the Loam so we can't really max out their potential. Typically the creatures I'm trying to find room for are those that either accelerate us out of the gates (high-value mana dork), or offer some way to oppress our opponents more quickly/reliably (or in a new/different way). These do neither, so although I think they could be useful in a vacuum, I don't know how well they would actually help secure a win outside of some niche situations.
Good call on the Sylvan Safekeeper! It has been on my "Maybe's" list for a long time (though I didn't put it up here), but I haven't yet been convinced on it. It does protect Meren, but in many cases I'd rather her just die than sacrifice our own lands. Since we stall out the game pretty hard, opponents using removal (aka turns, under Winter Orb or the like) on Meren means (a) they aren't actively advancing their own win condition, and (b) we have more time to advance the rest of our boardstate. I'm hesitant to sacrifice lands to protect her since we operate quite well without her and lands are arguably even more important. Plus, with many mana dorks, stax effects, and tutorable Gaea's Cradle, we typically curve out faster than our opponents (we can't recast her indefinitely, but recasting her once or twice is much better than losing one or two lands and giving up the competitive edge).
Check out my section on "Win Conditions"! Minister of Pain combos with Living Plane for a powerful one-sided Armageddon. At other times, there are enough utility creatures running around (mana dorks, Dark Confidant, tokens, etc.) that he is still useful as a mini-boardwipe. I was unsure about the inclusion at first because -1/-1 seems subpar in theory. But in practice I have been surprised at his effectiveness, often tutoring him up even without the combo ready since the wipe is very useful. And, if the combo does land, that usually means it's Game Over.
Compare this to the popular Necrotic Ooze + Phyrexian Devourer + Triskelion combo that relies on cards with no real play value except the combo itself... they still see play despite being useless without the assembled trio! Minister of Pain is very useful on his own AND fits nicely with our combo, so he fits quite naturally in the list.
Viscera Seer is OK, but only once you have some sort of boardstate established. If we had a few extra slots then maybe it'd be here, not sure. But as it stands, I prefer to devote 1-cmc to mana dorks to accelerate hard, then 2-3 cmc to stax pieces to ensure our threat density is high enough to actually stop our opponents from winning immediately T3. Opening-hand Viscera Seer doesn't really do either of these for us!
8 months ago
10 months ago
Thank you pjeseb and Reverie42 great suggestions. So as for the things that could work in other decks but I don't feel the theme of mine goes towards is taking stuff back into my hand. I almost always have something to play due to draw cards. Also big creatures that benefit from graveyards don't really have a place because I never finish people with big creatures. I took out Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord due to this fact and the fact that it costs to sacrifice a creature. Viscera Seer will be staying cause it is such a simple and free sac outlet that does something pretty good for a one drop. I have thought about taking out Stronghold Assassin and Custodi Lich though which I could replace with Eternal Witness and Fauna Shaman those are great!!! And as for It That Betrays the only other big creatures I will be adding is Protean Hulk. Minister of Pain I could take out. But Virulent Plague has saved me multiple times so that is a keeper. Fume Spitter can take out small commanders easy but is also an option to replace with Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip thanks for the suggestions! And upvotes are always appreciated!
10 months ago
As far as what you should cut, I would suggest Fume Spitter, Virulent Plague, and Minister of Pain. Plague might save you from a dedicated token deck, but apart from that it doesn't seem to help you very much overall; it affects your tokens too, so cards like Awakening Zone lose a lot of value. Fume and Minister both seem to give very little bang for your buck, so to speak.