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Lord of the Forsaken
Creature — Demon
Flying, trample
, Sacrifice another creature; Target player mills three cards. (They put the top three cards of their library into their graveyard.)
Pay 1 life: Add . Spend this mana only to cast a spell from your graveyard.
legendofa on Fuck it, late Outlaw of …
3 weeks ago
Saw Gisa, the Hellraiser, was interested, but she makes Zombie tokens. In my "strong maybe" pile. Still, any Skeleton presence is nice. Forsaken Miner has some good potential, again outclassed by Gravecrawler, but there's probably something that can shake out. Lord of the Forsaken, to make someone mill 3? Tinybones, the Pickpocket won't make a huge splash, but a 1/1 deathtouch with extra goodies can always find a home. Better set than average for Skeletons, but not explosive, and Zombies are still getting more stuff.
77hi77 on
Defile Me Daddy Rakdos
8 months ago
Rocketman988 thanks so much! I had a busy couple of weeks so am only just getting to digest everything you've suggested. This is fantastic, thank you again!
Originally I had most of the devil token sorceries you suggested, then I took them out for a similar reason to something we've talked about in your deck's discussions with big demons: it has to be able do something other than be a body. Burn Down the House was the only one that made sense after that, but I think now the deck is at the point where I don't have enough tokens. It's the bad middle ground between how you've built yours, where you're expecting a small board state, and how I was originally planning to go wide and sac things without disrupting my board state. So, you're right as always, I'll put those back in the deck. I had never heard of Carrion, that card is perfect! I love Wand of Orcus, it's in my zombie deck; I think I kept it out of this one because of some idea of theme (that it's devils serving demons), but I literally have Orcus in the deck and he's allowed to play with his wand.
You did break my heart a little bit with the Strionic Resonator news, it was there either as an insurance policy (whether I get to deal damage or not, you're going to sacrifice your permanents), or as a way to share the love and have everyone sac things. Now that I know it doesn't work that way, it's kind of a relief, it opens up space for more cards that lean into the deck's main strategies/more protection for the key pieces.
That's kinda the big issue, I have so many demon strategies I want to play, I have two demon decks, and even then a lot of things don't fit in either. It's the issue with every deckbuilding process, cool cards that don't lend to your main strategy. Originally I had the deck full of possibly inefficient cards with flashback costs to synergize with Lord of the Forsaken, because I wanted to do something similar to what your deck does with Treasonous Ogre (not a demon, so I'm iffy about putting it in this one), Doom Whisperer, and Repay in Kind. That enters life manipulation territory, which my other demon deck focuses on more, but then I can't use Cut / Ribbons because that deck is mono black. Similarly, your Hellcarver Demon combos are some of the coolest bits of synergy I've ever seen, but again it feels like it fits better thematically in my other deck, but yours benefit greatly from having access to extra combats and haste. I've been deciding whether a Pestilence Demon + Shriveling Rot play fits better in this deck or the other, currently it's in the other one because that deck was starting to get boring (ramp, ramp, ramp, ramp, cast Razaketh, the Foulblooded, tutor, tutor, you lose half your life, you lose that much life again. I win). It sounds like I'm going to look closely at both decks and do whatever rebuilding I need to do.
I just bought a box of Commander Masters, so I've spent the weekend upgrading 4 other decks. Today can be Daddy Rakdos day, I'll keep this thread updated as I do it
seshiro_of_the_orochi on Black cards that pay any …
2 years ago
Carrion Howler (just stack the ability as often as you wish.)
Cleaving Reaper (same as above)
And there are many more.
Pinstripes on
Commander: Dralnu, Lich Lord
2 years ago
Been working on this deck and upgraded it with some newer cards from recent sets. Lord of the Forsaken plays nice with flashback heavy stuff and Consider is nice and clean.
multimedia on
Undead Unleashed
2 years ago
Hey, nice upgrades of Demonic, Acererak, Stitcher, Gravecrawler, Grim, Sidisi, Cryptbreaker, Master, Undead, Remembrance, Titan, Victimize, Misty, Drowned, Clearwater.
Interesting choices to cut the mana rock ramp other than Sol from the precon and reduced the lands from 40 to 31. Reducing the lands is fine because 40 lands in the precon is too much. Although, only 31 lands is pretty risky; I wouldn't play below 34 if I'm not playing green. The problem is you haven't compensated for the reduction of lands by adding more ramp to have enough mana or more low CMC draw to help to draw lands or some of both. It looks like you have cut lands to add more high CMC cards which is the wrong approach when upgrading a precon.
With a budget of $400+ consider adding the mana rocks? The precon has Arcane Signet, Talisman of Dominance and Crowded Crypt, all these are good. Add to these Dimir Signet and Thought Vessel; these two are upgrades for the Diamonds. More low CMC draw can also replace lands such as Brainstorm, Preordain, Deadly Dispute, Frantic Search, Village Rites.
Dreadhorde Invasion is a two drop in the precon and it's a good repeatable Zombie source for Wilhelt. Sac the Zombie Army token at your end step on each of your turns for a repeatable draw source that only costs you 1 life on your turn. Midnight Reaper is also in the precon and it's a Zombie who can be a repeatable source of draw especially with Gravecrawler.
Some cards to consider cutting because they're not as good as others here:
- Lord of the Forsaken
- Sludge Monster
- Eternal Skylord: don't need it because you have Hordewing Skaab.
- Dread Summons
- Ghoul's Night Out
- Bonehoard
- Oriq Loremage: don't need it because you have Vile Entomber.
- Syphon Flesh
- Whispersilk Cloak
- Empty the Laboratory
- Liliana's Mastery
- Open the Graves
- Risen Executioner
- Wight
- Phyrexian Crusader
- Ebondeath, Dracolich
- Army of the Damned
I don't think you have the mana to support X spells such as Summons and Empty to get enough from them to be worth casting. Adding Cabal Coffers + Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth would help also with casting Army.
With Gravecrawler to combo with Rooftop you need a sac outlet. To combo with Wilhelt and Poppet Factory you also need a sac outlet. Consider adding some sac outlets?
- Blasting Station: can be the win condition with either Gravecrawler or Factory combo.
- Carrion Feeder: one drop Zombie.
- Ashnod's Altar: combos with Havengul Lich + Rooftop to repeatedly reanimate/sac/reanimate all Zombies in all graveyards.
- Altar of Dementia: infinite mills all your opponents when you control Factory by repeatedly sacing just one Zombie. Can also be the win condition with Gravecrawler + Rooftop.
If you're wanting to win with combo especially with Rooftop then consider some protection for the combo? Lazotep Plating, Counterspell, Swan Song, Flusterstorm.
Good luck with your deck.
MiLoTCG on
Never Break the Chain (Chainer, Nightmare Adept)
2 years ago
This is an amazing list! What do you think of Lord of the Forsaken? Seems like an absolute slam dunk in Chainer.
SomeDipshit on
K'rrik Salvage Storm Shadowborn Apostle
2 years ago
Yawgmoth's Will + Lord of the Forsaken behehehe
Hi_diddly_ho_neighbor on Innistrad: Midnight Hunt and Crimson …
2 years ago
DemonDragonJ - It does, there is Lord of the Forsaken and Dreadhound are demons. Jerren, Corrupted Bishop Flip flips into Ormendahl, Heirloom Mirror Flip flips into a demon and so does Ecstatic Awakener Flip.
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