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Creature — Giant Soldier
Cumulative upkeep-Put two cards in a single graveyard on the bottom of their owner's library. (At the beginning of your upkeep, put an age counter on this permanent, then sacrifice it unless you pay its upkeep cost for each age counter on it.)
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Jotun Grunt Discussion
2 months ago
Love the idea, but it needs some work. First off before I use constructive critisism until this thing is in the dirt, let me say that I am glad that someone finally found a way to break chronozoa, thank you.Second, here are some cards that you are running that are frankly, garbage.
Sphinx's Revelation Good card, but... you will never need 4, drop that number to 2 if you REALLY like them. If you are that concerned about drawing cards, use Blue Sun's Zenith as a better replacement.
Anointed Procession This is what is considered a "win more" card. You have no need for this thing at all, its only good with the combo, and it only does a little extra.
Now, about what can be done to this deck or added to it I would say should be as follows.
More threats. This combo is absolutely absurd, but you have a problem, you have a too small chance of drawing your pieces. Thus, you added card draw. This is a good start, but you need to make this more resilient. This can be done with cards like Geist of Saint Traft, Celestial Colonnade, or, as a possible finisher, Elspeth, Sun's Champion.
Elaborate on the deck's combo. This combo is an absolutely bonkers thing, especially in modern, take advantage of what Solemnity is giving you, the key to infinite combos. Add more Phyrexian Unlife, maybe slash black for a Zur the Enchanter, or Geralf's Messenger, play absurd things like Kitchen Finks, Glen Elendra Archmage, or some janky stuff like Jotun Grunt, Krovikan Whispers, or, if you want to be a major jerk, Phyrexian Soulgorger. And if you REALLY want that juicy card draw, Survivor of the Unseen, and Wall of Shards can become an OP Wall of Omens
Getting solemnity. This is your power-card, getting it can be the problem though, for this, I suggest Idyllic Tutor, or the aforementioned Zur.
However, do realize, that in order for this deck to work, it should at least be able to function without your precious Solemnity on the field.
In any case, this seems like an un-flushed out idea, so I suggest that you try tinkering with it some more, see how good you can make it!
3 months ago
Im not a fan of the mana-curve in this one. Got a lot of high CMC cards that may make it hard to work. I'd try some creatures like, Champion of the Parish which grows when you add human creatures. Kor Skyfisher and Jtun Grunt make some decent low cost creatures. I'd find room for Kytheon, Hero of Akros Flip to try and transform him. You can get some ramp love from Thalia, Heretic Cathar and Thalia's Lieutenant. Precinct Captain is a good low cost card that starts generating tokens quick. Token generation can make for good synergy with Hanweir Militia Captain Flip once you transform it.
I feel Darien, King of Kjeldor has a bit too high of a cost for this deck. I also tend to advise against one of most creatures. Odds of pulling him are very low. I would also bump your land up to 24 with some non-basic lands.
Look up the Rule of Nine. Helped me a lot when I started building. I went from picking random cards and tossing them into a deck to learning how to work with synergy and combos. Good luck and keep brewing!
3 months ago
For what it's worth, Verdurous Gearhulk can be an 8/8 with trample, costs one less mana and is more versatile than either of those. But anyway...
I like cumulative upkeep, if only because it appears on many of my favorite cards ever. I still want to make not-too-terrible decks centered around Jotun Grunt, Vexing Sphinx and Braid of Fire one day, and Sheltering Ancient is the best card in my favorite deck (Uh, are you sure that's a 5 and not a 2...?). You guys wouldn't believe how many times I've had someone use sorcery-speed removal on my Ancient with no creatures on their side of the board, just because they didn't realize it'd die on my next upkeep anyway.
3 months ago
ah! oh! sorry! Solemnity doesn't work with suspend!
5 months ago
Interesting point about Grab the Reins. I was looking for low CMC Threaten effects that are instant. I want both defense and offense. The sorcery speed cards are mostly unable to provide defense. Besmirch does provide defense, so it is actually a decent option, and I even considered putting Grenzo, Havoc Raiser back into the deck for more goad/pillage effects, but the dependence on attacking creatures makes Grenzo questionable. Besmirch does not have that dependence as much. Act of Aggression is more expensive, but does what Grab the Reins does, only it untaps and gives Haste, and it has the CMC flexibility of phyrexian mana if I need to cast it earlier. I also have a Disharmony that is asking to be played, but the only use it has is for defense, making it an awkward combination of half-fog, half-removal/control/combat trick. I am not sure if it will make the cut, but I will try it out. Kari Zev's Expertise may be great, with the number of <3 CMC cards in the deck, but a large number of them are reactive spells, so I am not sure how often it would pay off. I ordered one for testing anyway, thanks for the tip. Harness by Force would give a middle ground between the normal single target Threaten effects and the multi-target Insurrection/Mass Mutiny/Mob Rule, and could swing games, but is less flexible than Word of Seizing. The only real issue I have with Word of Seizing is the higher CMC, which may be something I just have to get over. Zealous Conscripts is an interesting option, but too many decks have it, and it may scream combo, which I don't want. I will have to play with the rest of these some to find out what I like. Cards like Backlash and Delirium have been really strong for this deck, and I could see any of the Threaten effects doing the exact same work, plus having potentially more flexibility. I will likely cycle through all of them, and every time I draw/play one, I will ask myself if I would have rather had one of the other ones in the list instead.
The other option I was considering was beefing up the midrange elements of the deck some. I am not sure I would have enough card slots to make it worthwhile, and I would be afraid that adding more overt offense would paint more of a target on my head. I would need midrange options that are significant defensive additions, that happened to come with some offense. I think Dread is a good example of this, but Jotun Grunt could make the cut as well, for it's graveyard work that can be used for my own recursion and as anti-reanimator tech. Midrange elements would potentially help against Stax and more reactive decks, but my meta actually frowns on Stax, so this would be a change to prepare for stepping into other metas, and may not really ever pay off. I think adding to what the deck already does through the addition of Threaten effects is probably the better plan that shifting to more midrange, even though it would be mostly useless agains other reactive decks.
As a side note, I have really liked Burning Wish, but had poor outcomes with Death Wish. The Wishboard has been fun, and does create a lot of flexibility, without being totally overpowered. I may work on the contents of the Wishboard as I go along, but I will be replacing Death Wish with a Cruel Tutor I just traded for.
5 months ago
Jotun Grunt works great against Tarmogoyf and with Death's Shadow decks everywhere the opponents graveyard is good for targets. As for self milling Corpse Churn is a decent mill card in black. I could throw Mindcrank in there.... I'll have to mess around with it once I update the deck list.
5 months ago
Yeah, i agree with you. You can also think of some trick with Jotun Grunt like milling your deck to mantain it on the battlefield. Lingering Souls are a BW staple for a reason, but it antisynergizes with your Grunt, which i believe is what you want to base your deck on.
5 months ago
IlGualeThanks for the feedback!
The original card that made me want to build a budget deck was Anguished Unmaking. I figured I could brew some sort of deck around it and see if it was on par at all with Maelstrom Pulse. I Also saw Jotun Grunt a long while back as being a budget alternative to Tarmogoyf. So that was card number two.
I wanted to try my hand at UW since I have never played that color combination before. I normally run black in every one of my decks so this quickly fell victim to that idea.
I guess this deck should really just be BW. I can toss in Lingering Souls and a few other cards as well. I will have to take another stab at UW.