Put a 4/4 green Rhino creature token with trample onto the battlefield, then populate. (Put a token onto the battlefield that's a copy of a creature token you control.)
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Horncaller's Chant Discussion
4 months ago
Horncaller's Chant could be a later game tpken spell, but I guess it dosen't fit with the overall theme.
Still, two rhinos is nothing to scoff at!
1 year ago
AN interesting note is that Changelings count as Saprolings, so cards like Birthing Boughs , Universal Automaton , Chameleon Colossus , Changeling Outcast , Graveshifter , and Woodland Changeling , along with Mirror of the Forebears , Volrath's Laboratory , and Mirage Mirror , among others, will give you +1/+1s when killed. I would also suggest cards with populate, such as Druid's Deliverance , Full Flowering , Horncaller's Chant , and Selesnya Eulogist . I honestly quite like this deck other than that.
2 years ago
Thanks for the feedback! You've made several suggestions I agree with entirely, some I think are on point but need a few tweaks, and some I disagree with. I'll break it down card by card:
First, you're totally right about Army of the Damned, it's not as good in this deck as it is elsewhere. I've found it generally underwhelming every time I've drawn it, and I've never grabbed it off a tutor. Deploy to the Front is an excellent suggestion. Not only does it generally produce more value, but it helps me stabilize if I have a rough early game, something army is notoriously bad for. I'll put it on the acquireboard tonight. Ezuri's Predation and Horncaller's Chant seem a little low impact however. As for Divergent Transformations, that's a hilarious card I've never seen before. Chaos warping two things can be great, but I feel like my current draw, cheating, and removal effects are so much better that they outweigh the utility value of the card. I'll have to think about it more, however.
Spawning Grounds is card I saw when doing research for my deck and decided was too cute. It's painfully slow, as you mentioned, and I'd rather just be drawing cards in the lategame when I have the mana to cast whatever I want, since my cards almost always beat 5/5s.
I think you're underestimating the disgusting value I can get with Myojin of Seeing Winds. It draws me a card for EVERY PERMANENT I CONTROL. Even lands. It has yet to draw me less than 15 cards. The 3/3 sucks but I'd never play it for the body. Honestly the only reason I might drop it is I'd have a couple games where I couldn't use it because it'd deck me, but when my board's that developed it's a win-more situation anyway. While you're right that Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur is easy to remove and gives advance warning, it also draws me 7 cards, which is major gas. That's why I generally play it on my turn rather than abuse the flash ability. The discard on my opponents is just icing on the cake if I can make it happen. I also consider discard a form of resource denial, and I'm concerned going all in on making my friends dump their hands will lose me said friends.
Now on to All Suns' Dawn. Ooh boy. I think you underestimate the ability of the card to recur things besides my creatures (bring back Conflux for maximum degeneracy points), but I also have yet to use it for the amazing value it theoretically provides. Being unable to grab colorless cards is a bigger downside in this deck than it should be in 5 colors, but it is what it is. I may be cutting it. Debtors' Knell is another card I've never seen before, and I think I need more time to evaluate it. Theoretically, the payoff is insane, but I fear it may suffer the same issues as Dawn currently does. It definitely merits testing.
Baneful Omen is great synergy, but I feel it's a bit slow and not all that impactful, even when I hit cards like Progenitus. It's also outclassed (in my opinion) by similar cards: I'd sooner run my Twilight Prophet for the added lifegain and draw. I'll have to consider more if effects like that are strong enough for the slots they'd occupy. Definitely an interesting suggestion.
You're right, Grozoth isn't a huge play, especially since I've been cutting Grozoth targets left and right. It may be out of the deck soon, despite the wonderful "That's a card?" reactions I get with it. However, consider it's a 9/9 blocker too, and that I can get Myojin of Life's Web with it to vomit cards from my hand right after the draw.
I LOVE Cruel Entertainment, but for some reason it never occurred to me to add it to this deck. It'll probably go in with the next edit. Great suggestion!
That's where I am right now, but you've given me a lot to think about, and I might develop new opinions about a lot of your points as I consider them. Definitely appreciate the feedback!
2 years ago
As a brief forward, do take this advice with a grain of salt. It is purely my own musings on what is already a beautiful deck. That being said...
I think that Army of the Damned is honestly pretty weak. In terms of token generation, 13 is rather small, and even though they are 2/2s, 26 damage isn't killing anyone. While they could be used as chump blockers, you can honestly just use a bigger threat. I think that in terms of rivaling an actual token generation strategy Deploy to the Front is a better choice. You get chump blockers in a quantity that can compete with Assemble the Legion in late game or even Krenko, Mob Boss for a turn. Alternatively, Ezuri's Predation is a solid choice in dealing with token generators and in the right circumstances, counts as a one sided board wipe. Yeah, it forces you to attack things you might not want to, but it also forces your opponents to block with key pieces that are sure to die, I am thinking commanders and creatures with tap effects. Whichever way you go, Horncaller's Chant is a great follow up, and has value even if you dont have tokens, though admitedly not ton. If 40 Pegasi aren't enough to win a game, I am sure that 80 will be. In your deck, pairing any token generation with Divergent Transformations, is bound to be strong, and unpredictable in a fun way.
After you have ramped into more mana than you know what to do with, Spawning Grounds might be a way to go. It is slow, but it allows for full utility of unused lands.
Looking at your card draw, I find Myojin of Seeing Winds an odd choice. Its pretty answerable even with the indestructible keyword. Biomantic Mastery is more value and on the same turn it is played (and a sweet flavor win with Momir Vig). Any kind of card draw plus Cabal Conditioning gets the Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur effect without everybody gunning for you. When Jin-Gitaxias is played, everybody is given an opportunity to focus it down, but Cabal Conditioning limits their answers to instants and if not answered, sets you up for at least one full turn of unanswered plays.
The direct and continuous recursion of Debtors' Knell is probably better than All Suns' Dawn, even though you wont be getting cast triggers off of your Eldrazi, cheating your bigger things into play is usually better than getting them in hand
In this deck a card like Baneful Omen does a lot of work. Yeah it gives away a ton of information, but it is a nuisance that affects all opponents that thrives on your high cmc cards.
Also, Grozoth can only ever draw you a maximum of 6 cards, and while all of those have value, it always tutors for the same stuff, perhaps leading to stale gameplay.
Even if this hasn't been helpful, I hope it was at least a little bit thought provoking
3 years ago
Since you currently have 65 cards with 33 lands, I think you can easily afford to cut some forests. Howl of the Night Pack is strong, but it's not strong enough to justify drawing what will otherwise be dead lands. Adding in creatures that offer ramp is certainly a valid way to access additional mana while also filling out the curve. Which ones you add could actually be related to the direction you want to take the deck in. Right now I see potential for a "summon many tokens that are buffed by Essence of the Wild" strategy and a "buff dudes with +1/+1 counters and let Kalonian Hydra wreck face" strategy. I'd want to focus in on just one and play more copies of the relevant cards to improve consistency.
The Essence of the Wild plan gains the most value out of the tokens since you don't have to spend as much on setup, you just need the Essence. The cards that summon many small tokens are especially good since they get the largest bonus. For example, Howl of the Nightpack is like "7 mana: summon 7 2/2s and give them +4/+4" while Horncaller's Chant is like "8 mana: summon 2 4/4s and give them +2/+2" (which amounts to a 30/30 difference in stats). In that version, I'd want any ramp to get to the Essence as quickly as possible. Arbor Elf, Greenweaver Druid, Joraga Treespeaker, and + are all possibilities. Ordeal of Nylea, Miming Slime, Primordial Hydra, Giant Growth, and Enlarge are other cards that don't fit as well into that strategy. Having ways to tutor for the Essence like Chord of Calling might be more useful than having other bombs.
The other plan is something I see more often. You play efficient creatures that gain value from/already provide +1/+1 counters in the early game. Card with evolve like Experiment One or cards with undying like Strangleroot Geist are some examples. Then, Kalonian Hydra and a handful of other bombs can go completely nuts and overrun the opponent. Centaur's Herald, Jade Mage, Sporemound, and the populate spells fit in less with that strategy. There's also the potential to swap Parallel Lives with Doubling Season if budget allows. The ramp option I'd prefer here would be Gyre Sage, although standard Elvish Mystics are certainly solid. Finally, I'd look at redundancy in the win condition with spells like Solidarity of Heroes or even an alternative like Overwhelming Stampede.