(3), Sacrifice Herbal Poultice: Regenerate target creature.
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Herbal Poultice Discussion
1 month ago
There are quite a few 0 Mana equipment cards that do more than Paradise Mantle .
Accorder's Shield , Cathar's Shield , Spidersilk Net , and Bone Saw all cost 0 to play while also having the possibility to help out Urza. Especially with the shields; if we want Urza to be efficient, he's gotta stay on the board.
Also, these artifacts can tap for mana while equipped and they do a lot more than the other 0 mana artifacts you have. Darksteel Relic does literal nothing, Fountain of Youth is awful in any format I'd say, and cards like Spellbook cost 0 but don't expect them to do much else.
Tormod's Crypt is probably fine, especially with some kind of recursion, same with Herbal Poultice and Mishra's Bauble . The only recursion I see is Emry though, so maybe add some. Also with recursion, you get access to Mindslaver which, with just 1 activation, can be back-breaking for your opponent. Getting to loop Mind Slaver also just wins the game because if your opponent can't stop it, they can't play anymore
Winter Orb and Static Orb is interesting. I'm trying to think of a way to make it so it only affects your opponents. Maybe I don't see it, but the only way I can think is to tap it on the previous player's end-step, then, at the end of your turn, untap it with something. That something, from what I see, is Unwinding Clock . That's only one card, maybe add Voltaic Key because even outside of this synergy it's pretty good.
Apart from Urza's ability, you don't have much payoff for turning everything into a Mox Sapphire. The top of your curve has so few cards, and some of them don't just win on the spot. Time Stretch is a good one, but Darksteel Forge , while good, isn't something we want to pay 9 for and it just keeps the game going, not actually winning on its own. I do see Arcum Dagsson , but, again, 1 in 99 cards and blue has 0 creature tutors. Blightsteel Colossus is the only easy win card, but it still has to get through and attack and it could get exiled
Maybe Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur to draw into more spells. A part of dumping your hand of 0 mana artifacts is that you need to draw more cards to play off all these supposed Mox Sapphires. Bunch of mana and nothing to do with it. Jin-Gitaxias helps this by drawing 7 every turn
You could even play Eldrazi. All the Titans, or even It That Betrays or Desolation Twin , can win games easily. Getting to Mindslaver someone with a 13/13 in play, drawing cards just for fun, exiling and destroying permanents, or just stealing your opponent's board can all win games very easily. Annihilator is also just a busted mechanic on its own.
3 months ago
Does Judge's Familiar fit in budget?
Have you considered a Glint Hawk / Artificer's Assistant / Neurok Familiar / Sky Theater Strix / Serra Disciple as a Bone Saw / Springleaf Drum / Cathar's Shield / Herbal Poultice beatdown/value engine?
Thrummingbird offers a +1+1 counters theme, but I don't feel like there is enough in the low-to the ground slots to make it work.
5 months ago
5 months ago
As I mentioned before, the deck as it is consistently storms out a win on Turn 6. This means at most, I can Chain of Vapor myself for 7 targets (initial + 6 copies from sacrificed lands) off of one blue mana. However, I can Retract all of my artifacts for that same one blue mana, which is far more powerful for continuing my storm count and combo triggers, and doesn't require me to blow up my own land to do it. Like you recommend, I typically save the self-bounces of Retract, Hurkyl's Recall , and Paradoxical Outcome for the turn I am going to win, since they easily double my storm count on their own. Much more effective for this deck than Chain of Vapor, at least in that regard.
I typically do save Krark-Clan Ironworks and Aetherflux Reservoir for the turn I am confident they will lead to a decisive victory. I am also not terribly worried about them getting targeted down in general, since the most common type of removal is creature-based that makes Jhoira the weakest link in the chain. Once she is off the field, this deck grinds to a crawl, and 4cmc to replay her is costly when the top of the curve is 5. 6cmc or more from Commander Tax can easily slow this deck down to the point that it simply can't win. I am not doubting how powerful Chain of Vapor is in general; but I simply do not see how me spending the mana on a spell that my opponent will use to shut off my engine and slow me down is worth including in this decklist. That seems like I would be playing against my own self-interest for a single tempo play, when that isn't what this deck is trying to do.
I do realize I "literally just die to like any interaction at all". That is by design. Since my playgroup is predominantly medium to medium-high competitive decklists (ranging from 50% to 80%), leaving this deck wide open to disruption was an easy and effective way to lower its power-level. There are a few incidental things that can help a bit with protections ( Aether Spellbomb bouncing Jhoira to protect against wipes or get another problem creature off the field; Herbal Poultice as a one-off regenerate to protect Jhoira from a destroy effect; Feldon's Cane and Elixir of Immortality to protect against self-decking, mill, and/or graveyard hate like Bojuka Bog; and Codex Shredder to return destroyed win-cons from the graveyard to my hand for some minor recursion), but otherwise it wasn't a primary focus.
Also note that Conjurer's Bauble is already in the decklist. That is the second recommendation you made that I already have.
Lastly, most of the "pricey" cards in the decklist ($5 or above) were cards I already owned, or were able to acquire for a lower price than listed here on the site (such as purchasing the Engineered Explosives from my friend for only $8.00 as opposed to the CardKingdom price of $18.00; or the Aetherflux Reservoir that I traded for at no monetary cost). ~$26 is the cheapest I can find Mana Vault on CardKingdom and even Lotus Petal is ~$9.00 at the low end, both at less than Near Mint conditions. While they are incredibly effective at what they do and would help the deck tremendously, they are simply too far outside of my budget for a single card, especially when they don't directly represent win-conditions the way that Aetherflux Reservoir does. I am certainly planning on buying a copy of Lotus Petal or two eventually, since it is much more within my general budget for purchasing, but at the moment it is simply not an option for me.
5 months ago
Also, while it isn't super cheap (money wise), I would recommend running Wear / Tear in place of Disenchant. Wear / Tear can be picked up for under $2
5 months ago
I would play a few ways to protect your Commander from removal. Goblin Chirurgeon and Herbal Poultice on top of The Brute that you have are all decent ways in Red to go shields up with your voltron plan. It's worth it.
Instead of some of your burn spells I would play some Double-Strike spells. With only 1-2 enchantments or equipment, you could easily take out a player in one hit. Assault Strobe and Uncaged Fury would work very well alongside Temur Battle Rage that you already have. It seems like these would be better than some like Gut Shot or Searing Spear. It could also make something like Immolating Souleater a good backup win condition if your Commander gets too expensive.
Cathartic Reunion is probably worth it for you to cycle through your deck a bit more in the late game.
8 months ago
Well, looking at it, almost every card has an enormously weaker budget option:
- 4x Walking Ballista / Triskelion
- 4x Arcbound Worker / Sparring Construct
- 4x Arcbound Ravager / Arcbound Slith
- 2x Dark Confidant / Pain Seer
- 4x Hangarback Walker / Hooded Hydra
- 4x Steel Overseer / Chronomaton
- 3x Welding Jar / Herbal Poultice
- 1x Animation Module
- 4x Darksteel Citadel
- 4x Forest
- 4x Inkmoth Nexus / Dread Statuary
- 2x Overgrown Tomb / Foul Orchard
- 1x Pendelhaven / Hashep Oasis
- 1x Phyrexia's Core / Claws of Gix
- 3x Wooded Foothills / Evolving Wilds
The deck would suck enormously, but it would be a deck. Are there any better budget options I missed?
9 months ago
I read some articles about this deck and I am of the opionion that Lotus Petal , Welding Jar , and Herbal Poultice are better then Ornithopter . I think you can find some more decks similar to this one here on TO.