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Creature — Goblin Berserker
Creatures you control have haste and attack each combat if able.
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Hellraiser Goblin Discussion
2 months ago
Themysteriousone I really need some better haste enablers (like Hellraiser Goblin) to make it worth it, then I can win the turn I resolve Primal Surge if no one has an answer. I don't think the deck needs it but it's a fun a card, I couldn't resist.
4 months ago
Hello all! I'm looking to build a deck that forces everyone to attack me, then punishes them with cards like Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs.
The problem is I don't have nearly enough cards.
For cards that force people to attack, I have Trove of Temptation, Fumiko the Lowblood, Boros Battleshaper (kind of), Bident of Thassa, and Alluring Siren. Also Hellraiser Goblin, since I plan on the commander being Zedruu the Greathearted
And yes, while cards like Crown of Doom, Gahiji, Honored One, and Assault Suit seem great, I want people to attack me. But it only really works if there are more cards like Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs that then punishes them for attacking me.
4 months ago
Krosan Reclamation is a pretty standard for HD moments where you're like, "Oh shit, my library's in my graveyard. How do I not die?"
If HD is Pithing Needled or otherwise removed, this chain can win:
- Protean Hulk + sac outlet, into Dryad Arbor + Hellraiser Goblin + Feldon of the Third Path.
- Copy Protean Hulk (requires ) and sac again, into 3 1CMC mana dorks and Combat Celebrant.
- Go to combat and exert Combat Celebrant. (Remember that everything not tapped will need to attack, and Hellraiser Goblin needs to survive combat, so 1 opponent has to be open.)
- Use your dorks and Feldon to copy Combat Celebrant, go to next combat and exert.
- Repeat until you have a lot of Combat Celebrant's. Note that once you have more than two, activating Feldon is unnecessary for infinite combats, so you can reanimate Protean Hulk again to get creatures that will clear away any blockers your opponents might have.
This line is nice because it only requires 2 cards we're not currently using, Feldon of the Third Path and Combat Celebrant, and there's even room to copy Protean Hulk a third time if all of your opponent's have blockers. (It will also generate a ton of extra mana if Thermopod is the sac outlet you grabbed with Eldritch Evolution.)
(And for the record, I wasn't saying Surrak, the Hunt Caller > Hellraiser Goblin, just that him and HD can still win off a conspired Natural Order, and Natural Order seems too go not to include here. I would run both.)
4 months ago
Should we add in Talisman of Impulse as well?
I guess we can talk Plan B: when Past in Flames is countered by Force of Will. I'm thinking along the lines of Recoup,but I don't know if we can still win from there, but probably something that has a Dwell on the Past effect so that we still have a chance.
Plan C, when HD is hit by Pithing Needle. So far, you proposed the line with Isochron Scepter. Kinda sketchy in my opinion, cos you need to tutor for two artifacts, namely Isochron Scepter and Paradox Engine.
Another thing is Seedborn Muse, which I think we may be able to abuse.
4 months ago
So, Surrak, the Hunt Callerwould be a better haste enabler for HD than Hellraiser Goblin? It could be grabbed out of Natural Order at least, adding another line to the combo... and if we are grabbing it this way, it means we have enough power since the spells needs to be conspired...
The reason I was not including it at first was for the Hulk line... I mean, the pile would look like HD (2) + Dryad Arbor (0) + Mana Dork (1), so we still have 3 mana to play with... I needed the goblin (3) to give haste to everything since it would allow me to go off with no more mana than what is required to start the combo, but if we use one of the tutor to sacrifice Hulk, then we can afford to grab an additional creature, which could be Sylvan Safekeeper for protection.
Surrak would not allow me to start from anywhere, same thing for Lightning Mauler, and that was the reason they were not included... I will playtest without them, and then I will playtest them once we can "stabilize" this brew.
Does it sounds good sonnet666?
4 months ago
I also feel like a Protean Hulk line would be possible with what we have so far:
From that line, we can use the mana from Dryad Arbor and the dork to activate HD, which will result into the Past in Flames line from graveyard. I will include those for testing purposes in the deck.
5 months ago
so......a goblin flamethrower huh? can't say i've seen that before. and that saying something since i am a pro goblin commander player. now....onto business.
if this deck is meant to be a flamethrower then toss out a good chunk of the cards including.....
however, if this deck is suppose to have a dual function (like burn and swarm) then i can understand why allot of those cards are in there. but even so having Goblin Rabblemaster and Hellraiser Goblin is a no go for goblin swarming. swarming takes time and tactics. those two are like "nope. you attack whether you want to or not" so get those out. i have yet to find a good tactic involving those two. but if you use X based spells then Volcanic Geyser and Rolling Thunder are both good choices.
9 months ago
There's actually a reason why I went with Lightning Mauler over Hellraiser Goblin. Having my haste enabler at 2 mana instead of 3 opened up two more alternate lives of play for me, which I have listed under "Alternate Protean Hulk fetch lines #1 and #3." in the deck description. I wouldn't be able to pull off either of those options if my haste enabler costed 3 mana.
What would really help me out at this point is more info on different deck match-ups that you have come across and tips for how you played your version of the deck against them. People around me don't play EDH at this level of competitiveness and they get kind of disgusted by a turn 3 win, never mind a turn 1 win. Since I don't play online either, I don't know what the deck's good and bad match-ups are or how best to deal with them. Do you have any tips or game stories you could offer?