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Gutter Skulk
Creature — Zombie Rat
EleshNornsFs on None
3 years ago
King_marchesa I solemnly swear that all mechanics that the Machine Orthodoxy uses will be busted AF. Omnath finna look like the next Gutter Skulk once standard receives our glorious gift of compleation.
Chesu on Rat Commander
4 years ago
Your landbase is pretty solid, but the ramp could do with an increase. Things like Wayfarer's Bauble and Expedition Map will speed things up along with Thran Dynamo and Gilded Lotus which excels in mono-colored decks. Plague Wind is just Damnation but costs an extra 5 mana. Patron of the Nezumi is also way too slow for any commander deck. The rat sac'd to lower the cmc just isn't worth it. Plague of Vermin will almost certainly be your downfall against any kind of lifegain deck at the table. Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni only works in a couple of situations and could be replaced with a 2 cmc card like Burglar Rat , Gutter Skulk or Pack Rat that last one is personally my favourite of the bunch. Anyways I think the biggest problem with the deck is the high cmc cards with not enough benefit.
Vaan on
5 years ago
I would definitely cut Gutter Skulk for a set of Rotting Rats. Including Chittering Rats and going all in on the hand disruption plan seens like a good idea.
Thornbite Staff seem really out of place and Diabolic Tutor has no payoff on this kind of deck, i would cut both sets and include some combination of Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni, Ogre Slumlord and some kind of removal spell like Doom Blade or Dismember.
I recommend that before doing any changes to the deck you really figure out what your gameplan is, right now the deck is divided between a discard suite and a Pack Rat/Tokens strategy, they're both effective and the rats that force the opponent to discard are good on both deck types but you need to focus on one of them.
DerSchlund on card:Hell's Caretaker + card:Palace Siege
5 years ago
Hi there, I have a simple Question.
Due to the fact that I can only use Hell's Caretaker ability on my upkeep, I was wondering how it works with triggert abilities on my upkeep. Cause they trigger at the beginning of my upkeep and I have to declare a target for Palace Siege (on Khans mode)... right?
I have Hell's Caretaker, Palace Siege, a Cabal Evangel in my Graveyard and a Gutter Skulk on the Battlefield.
Can I use Hell's Caretaker so that I sac Gutter Skulk to return Cabal Evangel to the battlefield and then return Gutter Skulk from my yard to my hand?
Thanks ahead!
Nethereon on Rats and their Patron: 1st Budget Build
6 years ago
Concise list of considerations:
The Rack single target is really crappy in EDH
Wheel of Torture Same effect as The Rack except it hits everyone.
Skullcage Hits all opponents who don't have either 3 or 4 cards in hand.
Raiders' Wake Another Caress/Megrim effect, except this one makes your opponent discard if you attack.
Quest for the Nihil Stone Anyone without a hand gets domed for 5 during their upkeep...seems good.
Bloodchief Ascension Self Explanatory card
Mindcrank This is a great card in a discard centric deck.
Get rid of all of these cards Bog Rats, Carrion Rats, Deathmask Nezumi (it's a nombo with everything you're doing), Drainpipe Vermin, Gutter Skulk, Nezumi Cutthroat, Pestilence Rats, Ravenous Rats, Swarm of Rats, and Typhoid Rats.
Relentless Rats Replace all of the cards removed with these. You are not restricted to a single copy, per EDH rules, because Relentless Rats specifically states that card limitation requirements do not apply to it.
Get rid of anything that is single target discard! Especially Raven's Crime, since you don't have enough lands that you can afford to be ditching them for a single discard.
Add more things that hit everybody, such as Necrogen Mists or are renewable.
Specter's Shroud Might be worth looking into.
Jet Medallion and Bontu's Monument would be worth while for the cost reduction effects, along with Thaumatic Compass Flip for the land tutor effect.
You need more board wipes. You have one 9 CMC board wipe with only 32 lands in the deck. The Hyper-geometric distribution doesn't give you very good odds of pulling the lands you need in order to keep the board clear. Consider Bontu's Last Reckoning, Yahenni's Expertise, Crux of Fate (which may work to your favor with all the Dargon decks running around), Damnation is a given but it's pricey, Life's Finale, Kindred Dominance, and Necromantic Selection are all decent options.
Liliana of the Dark Realms is a much better Lili for a deck like this because you need ramp and that Ult is ridiculous plus it combos with...
-/+ Dump Mind Twist and add Torment of Hailfire HOLY CRAP, do I love this card. It gets around so many things plus it hits every opponent.
Let's talk about your mana base for a second...
Thirty two lands? Even for a very cavalier spell slinger deck, that is a very low amount to play. I play a Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck on 36 and struggle some times to reach a critical mass of mana/spells. Don't fall into the trap of "I'll cut a land for this cheap spell; it'll be fine." Again, math and probability will not be on your side in the late game, not unless you're willing to invest in Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or Cabal Coffers. An alternative might be to run Crypt of Agadeem but it's really no substitute for those lands.
Lastly, jam a Bojuka Bog or a Scavenger Grounds or both in there for graveyard hate, along with your choice of Strip Mine, Ghost Quarter, and/or Field of Ruin because if you can't have your Crypt or Coffers, why should they?
Hope this helps, good luck!
horatio13 on Rat tribal
8 years ago
i emailed u, check it, these cards you have are crap: Gutter SkulkKuro's Taken Nezumi Cutthroat Septic Rats Stronghold Rats,
take those out for the cards i emailed u.
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