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Find / Finality
Return up to two target creature cards from your graveyard to your hand.
You may put two +1/+1 counters on a creature you control. Then all creatures get -4/-4 until end of turn.
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Find / Finality Discussion
6 days ago
Thank you rdean14, i really like the Virulent Swipe, and Life Goes On suggestions, but the other 4 will be a pass. Giant Growth, and Groundswell were both previous considerations by me, but they have no other utility like Vines of Vastwood, and Blossoming Defense. Mutagenic Growth is potentially free so that's a must have for the ability to either trick or blind the opponent, Find / Finality is too slow for the deck to be effective even as a sideboard option. Dismember is the best removal because it hits things with indestructible, so Fatal Push, and Tragic Slip do not work with our fragile small threats.
Thank you for checking the deck out, KLR2808
6 days ago
Virulent Swipe (esp. on an opponent's combat phase), Giant Growth, and Groundswell, are excellent pump spells, I think your deck could benefit from. Find / Finality seems like a good sideboard option and Fatal Push/Tragic Slip for removal over Dismember. Life Goes On Sideboard for burn. I like thedeck a whole lot, good stuff
1 week ago
The first thing I'll say is that with 21 lands, you probably can't expect to get the mana to launch Army of the Damned or a really powerful Mind Grind or Torment of Hailfire. Well, at least without Organ Harvest, of which you're only sporting one copy. (If you don't play with teammates, or if you don't play with silver-bordered cards, you might replace it with Culling the Weak.) For reference, the math on Army of the Damned is that about 1/3 of your cards are lands = 8/24, meaning you need to survive to turn 17-18 (have seen a total of 24 cards between your opening hand and your draws each turn) to hit that 8th land. That’s a long time in a Magic game.
Second, Mind Grind, while fun, is questionable here, since none of your other cards will mill your opponent. Many people play with 4 copies of many of their cards, so milling them might not cut them off from their game plan unless you mill them so much they might die. And for that, you would need more support for the mill plan or a LOT more mana. (This is possible, but a big change. Look for cards like Glimpse the Unthinkable and Mind Funeral. Otherwise, I'd cut it for cards that affect board-state or life-totals.)
Third, your overall game plan appears to be to stall in the early game for more powerful plays late, since your low cost cards are generally defensive. This means you'll want more lands in your deck so that you don't stumble on your way to those big plays. I'd remove Coral Atoll and put in four Dimir Aqueducts. It's not the ideal play, but it's cheap and there's a lot of upside if your opponent doesn't Ghost Quarter it or something. Anyways, that will take you up to 24 lands AND increase your average mana output a little more, letting you rely on 4CMC, 5CMC, and 6CMC plays to dominate the game.
Finally, on to individual cards:
Kraken Hatchling, Mausoleum Wanderer, Pharika's Chosen, and Will-o'-the-Wisp are all fine defensive one-drops, but they all do something a little different. Thornbow Archer is a little more aggressive than the rest of your deck wants, so maybe drop it and pick your favorite of those first four and add a second.
Fogwalker is okay on defense, though it's not the best two-drop out there. I'm not a fan of Olivia's Dragon, especially outside of madness/reanimator decks. Rancid Rats just doesn't offer enough oomph for the mana (skulk is not typically a very useful ability). Graf Rats is bad unless you have Midnight Scavengers, so it's really about how much you personally want to meld them. Ultimately, I'd rather replace them with better blockers like Wall of Tears, Wall of Souls, Contraband Kingpin, Dragon's Eye Savants, Gifted Aetherborn, or the absolute top-tier Baleful Strix. Other value options include Omenspeaker, Sigiled Starfish, and Augur of Bolas. Other fun options here are Surge Mare, Riptide Mangler, Lazav, the Multifarious, Fathom Feeder, and Ludevic's Test Subject Flip. Choose your favorites. Alternately, spot-removal like Doom Blade, Victim of Night, Cast Down, Go for the Throat, and sometimes Dimir Charm are pretty effective.
Wharf Infiltrator can be good sometimes. You can leave it in for fun or replace it.
Eternal Scourge has its uses, but I don't think this deck is optimized for it. Ideally you'd want a few things that can exile it from graveyard or hand, such as Gurmag Angler, Soulflayer, Tombstalker, Scavenging Ooze, Grim Lavamancer), Azor's Gateway Flip (from hand), or the most hilarious option, Serum Powder. As it stands, it's just difficult to kill outside of combat, like a bad shroud or hexproof. Honestly, I don't think you need a 3/3 to be immune to removal. Replace with a finisher, which I'll discuss in a bit. Alternately, one of my favorite defensive 3CMC creatures is Graveblade Marauder, since its offensive capabilities can rapidly increase.
Markov Crusader isn't actually very good even in the rare case when you do have another vampire, and you only have one other one. Compare to 4CMC utility wunderkind Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, 5CMC finishers (like Archfiend of Depravity, Glyph Keeper, Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, Vengeful Pharaoh, and maybe even Serra Sphinx), and 6CMC game-winners (like Noxious Gearhulk, Dread, Kokusho, the Evening Star, Wurmcoil Engine, Grave Titan, or even Vengeant Vampire, though that last one is much worse than the others). Sure, none do exactly what Markov Crusader does, but some are close and they all have incredible upsides. Even something like Shriekmaw might ultimately gain you more life by just killing something outright, plus it's super-flexible. Heck, Soul Ransom and Mind Control are strong cards too, at least against creature decks. Anyways, Markov Crusader is a card to replace.
Midnight Scavengers is okay, especially if you have a lot of disposable deathtouchers to bring back, but it still doesn't compare favorably to the above finishers unless you really want to meld it with Graf Rats. Remember, doing things you want to do is an important part of MTG. But if you don't care to meld, I'd look to replace it.
Ob Nixilis, Unshackled is fine. In most cases it doesn't compare favorably to the 6CMC critters above, but it has its uses. If you've got a lot of little deathtouchers (Pharika's Chosen, Typhoid Rats, Dire Fleet Poisoner, it can grow really out of hand. Also, Field of Ruin forces a library search.
Elder Deep Fiend is fine. Usually you play it in a deck that has plenty of creatures you don't mind (or are better off) sacrificing (for example, Priest of the Blood Rite, Relentless Dead, Doomed Dissenter, Stormbound Geist/Geralf's Messenger), then you emerge it early and tap down lands. That's not really your plan here, so it's probably not the best choice. Some good choices for replacements are above, but within the category of emerge creatures, I think Distended Mindbender fits your deck better.
Organ Harvest is a powerful card, but has some drawbacks. Most importantly, a lot of people don't play with or against silver-bordered cards. They're not legal in any official tournaments. Tournament legal variations are Dark Ritual, Culling the Weak, and Ashnod's Altar. Other than that, it's a card that is useless in many situations and completely changes what you're able to do when you actually can make use of it, and that can be awkward from a strategy perspective. If you don't have creatures, you can't cast it. If you don't have a big spell in your hand, you don't need to cast it and you'd rather have almost any other card. So it wants your deck to be full of disposable creatures and big spells, like an emerge deck or a zombie deck really making use of Army of the Damned and From Under the Floorboards. But for the most part that is not this deck, so unless you want to build around the card, I'd remove it, either replacing it with Dark Ritual which is always useful when drawn early, or something else that's cheap and effective: Dead Weight, Apathy, Doom Blade, Pharika's Chosen, or whatever.
Sorcerous Sight is worse than Peek and Gitaxian Probe, but I don't think any of those are particularly good in your deck. If you want to know what's in your opponent's hand, play Telepathy. Otherwise, there's better card draw: Preordain and Ponder are the best cheap spells, but it might be worth spending more mana for more effect with Sign in Blood or Chart a Course.
Cemetery Recruitment isn't particularly good with so few zombies. You can add more zombies, or switch to Ghoulcaller's Chant/Find / Finality/Recover/Disturbed Burial/Death Denied to simulate the effect, or just do card advantage the old-fashioned way, with stuff like Sign in Blood/Consult the Necrosages/Read the Bones/Notion Rain/Secrets of the Golden City. Alternately, shred your opponent's hand (and lose friends) with Hymn to Tourach or punch your opponent for cards with Shadowmage Infiltrator. If you're committed to bringing creatures back from the dead, look to Zombify, Extract from Darkness, or Isareth the Awakener, which can randomly run away with the game if your opponent doesn't have an answer. The most efficient reanimation spell is Unburial Rites, but you'd need to splash white for it to be better than the above options.
Contingency Plan doesn't actually net you any cards in hand; you just control what you are going to draw later. Since you're not very graveyard-focused, there's little benefit. The more flexible version is Dimir Charm, and the more powerful version is Lim-Dul's Vault. If you want to stack the top of your deck for 2CMC without wasting a card to do it, there's Diabolic Vision, but the 1CMC Preordain and Ponder are worthy as well. Alternately, raw card advantage is an option. Any of the options I've already listed are fine, but here are some more: Chemister's Insight, Foresee, Deep Analysis.
Mind Grind attacks on an irrelevant axis. Recommend replacing it with a finisher unless you add more mill. If you want a non-creature finisher, Ob Nixilis Reignited is pretty cool. If you just want something that can't get Murdered, there's Sphinx of Jwar Isle.
Torment of Hailfire is possibly workable if you go to 24 lands with Dimir Aqueducts. X=3 is pretty much the bare minimum, and if they have cards in hand even that might not be enough. This is a possible swap for a finisher, as above.
Army of the Damned is hard to cast at 8CMC. Recommend replacing it with a cheaper finisher unless you're all about Organ Harvest.
Apathy is pretty decent at 1CMC. Probably not as good as just casting Doom Blade/Go for the Throat to kill the thing, but definitely more interesting and fun. It can stay in, though swapping it for something more reliable is technically the correct decision.
Strange Augmentation is bad in your deck. While +3/+3 for 1CMC is fine in a very aggressive deck, that doesn't seem like your game plan. Ideally, your finishers are big enough to win without the extra P/T. If they're not, these could be replaced with kill spells to make sure they are.
Tormod's Crypt is useless unless you frequently play against graveyard-based decks. Even then, with only one in the deck, you're in bad shape. I'd swap it for Relic of Progenitus or Sentinel Totem if you really need graveyard hate. If a creature is reliable against those graveyard decks, Deadeye Tracker, Nezumi Graverobber, or Withered Wretch can do some work. Agent of Erebos is another option. If the only things you need to exile are creatures, then Cemetery Reaper, Dimir Doppelganger, and the powerful Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet are options. Otherwise, cheap kill spells, counterspells, or even more expensive exiling removal (e.g. Sever the Bloodline, Silence the Believers) are options. Phyrexian Scriptures is another card I'll mention, just 'cause it does lots of stuff.
Nevinyrral's Disk is pretty good. Go ahead and keep that in there.
Gridlock is okay, but it's basically a Darkness you can use aggressively. I think Sleep is generally better at that. Alternately, if you want a mass-defense spell, Yahenni's Expertise, Languish, and Damnation are the go-to sweepers.
Outwit is way too narrow; most decks don't target players. (The primary exceptions are burn and mill, so if you play against them a lot, it might be fine.) If you want a dollar-cost-effective counterspell in that slot, play Counterspell or MAYBE Dimir Charm for flexibility.
Murder is fine. (Card-wise, not morally!) Technically Hero's Downfall is better if you can get one.
Liliana Vess is fine, but she's a little slow. I'm not sure whether she's better or worse in this deck than Jace, Unraveler of Secrets, Ob Nixilis Reignited, Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath, or even Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver. My inclination is that those are stronger as you increase the median quality of the cards in your deck (making Vess's -2 less important).
Here's one inexpensive, somewhat-boring take:
2x Glyph Keeper
1x Liliana Vess
2x Dimir Charm
2x Doom Blade
2x Agony Warp
3x Notion Rain
That's just one take on the general strategy. Ultimately, (I think) you're playing Dimir Midrange, and so you're looking for about 40% (24) lands, 30% (18) things that keep you alive until you have 4-6 mana, 20% (12) things that kill your opponent and are themselves hard to kill, and 10% (6) things that put you ahead on cards just in case you're not drawing the right part of your deck.
1 week ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking if any recent cards are worth an upgrade in any of your decks. Out of all your decks this one in my opinion has the most potential for upgrades. Even just with cards that are already in Magic, not ones that were in recent sets. You seem serious about upgrading this deck therefore most of my suggestions won't be budget cards.
Cards in recent sets to consider:
Cards that can be potential upgrades for cards here:
- Diabolic Intent or Vampiric Tutor > Diabolic Tutor
- Maelstrom Pulse > Hero's Downfall or Putrefy
- Trophy > Abrupt Decay or Putrefy
- Reanimate or Animate Dead > Vigor Mortis
- Sylvan Library > Ordeal of Nylea
- Berserk > Soul's Might
- Scavenging Ooze > Obsessive Skinner
- Night's Whisper > Harmonize
- Drana, Liberator of Malakir > Vastwood Hydra
- Rishkar, Peema Renegade > Fungal Behemoth
- Pir > Varolz, the Scar-Striped
- Unspeakable Symbol > Death's Presence
- Umezawa's Jitte > Blessings of Nature
- Forum > Evolving Wilds
- Greater Good > Curse of Predation
Good luck with your deck.
2 weeks ago
Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help.
If control is giving you problems then a good reason to want to splash black is Thief of Sanity, The Eldest Reborn and Thought Erasure. Thief is one of the best anti-control cards for a mirror control match because he demands an answer by your opponent. He can give you card advantage using your opponents cards. When a card is exiled by Thief it stays exiled until you cast it. Even if he dies the cards you exiled with him are still able to be cast. If left alive Thief can essentially give you a second hand of cards to play from.
In control matchups Thief is best as a turn three play this means you'll want minimum 10 sources of black in the manabase to play him. This can be achieved with 4x Watery Grave, 3-4x Drowned Catacomb and 2-3x Dragonskull Summit. Another reason to splash black is Reborn. Thief/Erasure/counterspells can fuel it by putting a creature or Planeswalker into your opponent's graveyard. Last reason to splash black is Erasure or Duress. Either is a great tool for control because either can possibly make your opponent discard Teferi. Erasure is obviously more versatile since it can make your opponent discard a creature card. More Negate is also good against Control. If control is giving you a lot of problems consider 3-4x Negate?
The only reason to play Ego is because it can exile all Teferis or Carnage Tyrants. Exiling all Tyrants is good because if it's in a graveyard your Golgari opponent will just recur it with Find / Finality. Like Reborn it's an out to Tyrant. Overall however Ego is not a good card.
For your current deck consider main deck Syncopate and Lava Coil? I think both of these cards are better than Scatter and Strike right now in Standard. Both exile which is very much wanted because of Golgari and Izzet Drakes, two of the best decks in Standard.
Consider these changes:
- Add 3x Coil main deck cutting 3x Strike.
- Add 2x Syncopate main deck cutting 2x Scatter or 2x Field.
If splashing black consider these sideboard additions:
- 3x Thief
- 2x Erasure
- 1x Reborn
New sideboard example:
- 3x Thief
- 3x Negate
- 2x Erasure
- 1x Reborn
- 1x Ego
- 1x Phoenix
- 3x Cannonade
- 1x Fight
2 weeks ago
Thanks for your comment. I agree with you on Adanto Vanguard, but the only question is where would I put him? What would I take out for him? The same thing can be said for Sorcerous Spyglass and Shapers' Sanctuary. Where would I put them? Find / Finality is probably better than Shapers' Sanc, as it can't removed and it brings back two cards from my graveyard (2-for-1). I faced a couple of Control decks in the PPTQ yesterday, and my current sideboard doing pretty well.
2 weeks ago
Thanks for your comment Argy. Sorry it took so long to get back to you.
It's not a pure aggro deck, but it's quite rapid. Those Pelt Collectors are a real pain to try and deal with. Turn one Pelt Collector, turn two Glowspore Shaman means I can swing for two damage on turn two, then playing any of the three drops means I can swing for a further six on turn three. I can reliably deal lethal damage in five turns this way.
If that doesn't work, the game then transposes into a mid-range grind, as you pointed out, and this deck is good in that regard, too. The Midnight Reapers, Vraska, Golgari Queens and Izoni, Thousand-Eyed all provide excellent card advantage. The Find half of Find / Finality and Gruesome Menagerie also grant excellent value - two or three creatures returned for one card can generally overpower spot removal. Gruesome Menagerie in particular, when it goes off, can win games. Control's best response to this deck is a board wipe on turn four or five, and after that they're left tapped out and unable to counter Gruesome Menagerie, which just laughs at board wipes. Even if my opponent plays a board wipe afterwards, I'm still trading one card for one card, plus I get those juicy ETB triggers so even in that scenario I'm ahead. It's a brilliant card, the only question is how many.
When I got back into magic recently I decided I wasn't going to spend a lot of money. Vraska's Contempt is definitely out, for that reason. Though tbh, I'll play Status / Statue in that spot anyway, should I need removal - it's rare I need to gain life, and if I do, Kraul Foragers is perfect. Wait, it's not in my sideboard. Oops. Anyway, Status / Statue for the most part kills a larger range of stuff than Vraska's Contempt.
I'll stick with Kraul Harpooner for now, since as a creature it has synergy with the other cards in the deck, although I haven't even played it yet since I normally just trample over flyers with my Charnel Trolls without really needing to sideboard.
I've been toying with Golgari Findbroker, but tbh it just for the most part seems worse than Gruesome Menagerie, except for fetching Vraska, Golgari Queen, of course. I don't really need it, though. We'll see.
I've updated with how it is now. See if that's aggro enough for you :P
2 weeks ago
Thanks for another extremely helpful comment. I see your point on Jadelight Ranger. It's also a creature, which allows it to be returned to your hand with Find / Finality, which is now in my sideboard. As per your suggestion, I will replace Adventurous Impulse with Jadelight Ranger. I will also add Make a Stand to my sideboard (replacing Crushing Canopy) to prevent my already numerous 1, 2 and 3 mana creatures.