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Creature — Eldrazi Drone
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Ingest (Whenever this creature deals combat damage to a player, that player exiles the top card of his or her library.)
: Draw a card. Each opponent exiles the top card of his or her library.
Fathom Feeder Discussion
1 week ago
I like how you're using the ingest mechanic, I've been wanting to try it in edh for a while. I feel like Sire of Stagnation would fit in nicely here, maybe in place of one of those one drops. Also consider Fathom Feeder and Blight Herder .
3 months ago
3 months ago
Either of these would fit the theme of your deck better and would assist you in casting and running the deck.
Altar of the Brood - Doesn't fit what you're doing and doesn't assist in your goal
Ghostfire Blade - Not good enough. You're running Eldrazi. They're big enough and powerful enough to take care of themselves
Mycosynth Lattice - This doesn't help you. Most of your stuff is colorless so this only helps your opponents cast spells and places a glaring weakness that a card like Vandalblast can easily exploit.
Bonds of Mortality - You're running annihilator and massive creatures. You're rarely worried about the occasional hexproof creature, and you shouldn't have an issue with the occasional enchantment or artifact. Eldrazi overwhelm. Don't sweat the small stuff.
Prismatic Omen - This doesn't help you enough. Most of your stuff is colorless so this doesn't do a crazy amount for you. In addition, you're running Chromatic Lantern which will do this and also produces mana on top of it.
Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver - Why? This has nothing to do with your deck
Despark - There are better removal options, but as an eldrazi tribal deck you'd be better off playing cards that protect and accelerate you rather than this.
Wear / Tear - While decent, you don't usually need to hit both at once and it's multiple colors. I'd run Naturalize or Krosan Grip instead.
Fathom Feeder - ...No. Just no.
Mist Intruder - While this and Fathom Feeder are both eldrazi, just because you're running a tribal deck doesn't mean you have to run every tribal card, nor only tribal cards. Cut this and see my suggestions for cards to replace it with.
Khenra Charioteer - There are better alternatives
Vile Aggregate - You're running eldrazi. You're going tall rather than wide so you're unlikely to ever really have enough creatures out at once to really make this card worth running.
Bojuka Bog - Not worth it. It comes out tapped and unless someone is both running a graveyard deck and has enough good cards in it at the same time, you're not going to get enough value out of this, or if you want to save it for that, then you have a dead land in hand and there would be far better cards like Rest in Peace and such.
Gateway Plaza - Comes in tapped, costs an additional mana to play, and only gives one mana. Too slow and not good enough.
Ruins of Oran-Rief - You're running Eldrazi. You really don't need one more +1/+1. A colored mana would assist you more here as it would also help you pay for and colored spells you would like to cast.
Akroma's Memorial - This is a fantastic card that in your deck would be a win con. I would recommend running this over Eldrazi Monument as it does a lot more and doesn't force you to sacrifice your important eldrazi.
Privileged Position - An absolutely amazing card that I run in every deck that can run it. Full protection on ALL your permanents.
Sterling Grove - Protection for all your enchantments and allows you to fetch any that you need.
Krosan Grip - Guaranteed removal on artifacts or enchantments.
Ramos, Dragon Engine - You're running a five colored big boy deck. This enables it and since it's colorless it'll be relatively easy for you to cast.
Archetype of Endurance - Fantastic protection and a powerful creature to run. As a plus it fulfills some of the same roles as the cards you ran that removed hexproof.
Archetype of Aggression - Replaces your Khenra Charioteer as a much better, single color, alternative.
Kozilek, Butcher of Truth - Great card draw, annihilator, reshuffles your graveyard which prevents mill and keeps your deck running even after a board wipe, and a giant eldrazi god, all built into one card.
Kozilek, the Great Distortion - Card draw, counter protection, and a menacing eldrazi god. Who could ask for more?
Emrakul, the Promised End - Reduced costs, protection, flying, trample, steals a turn, and an eldrazi god. Nuff said.
Temur Ascendancy - Replaces or in addition to Fervor . Haste plus card draw and your creatures are almost all going to trigger it.
Demonic Tutor - Fantastic fetch card.
Vampiric Tutor - Fantastic fetch card.
Harsh Mercy - Tribal board wipe
Explosive Vegetation - Land fetch
Skyshroud Claim - Land fetch that comes in untapped. If you upgrade your landbase to include cards like Breeding Pool (see recommendations lower), you can use this and cards like Nature's Lore to fetch them and bring them in untapped.
Patriarch's Bidding - Full board wipe recovery, and/or a kill card if you have a haste enabler on the board.
Heroic Intervention - Top Tier instant speed protection.
Teferi's Protection - Top Tier instant speed protection
Cyclonic Rift - One of the best board wipes in the game. Cannot be protected against, reset's their entire board, and leaves you in a fantastic position.
Enlightened Tutor - Artifact/Enchantment Fetch
Worldly Tutor - Creature Fetch
Mystical Tutor - Instant/Sorcery Fetch
Urza's Incubator - Eldrazi cost reduction
Descendants' Path - Free Eldrazi casts
Rhystic Study - Fantastic card draw
Bloom Tender - In a 5-color deck this card is amazing ramp.
Birds of Paradise - Any color ramp for 1
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon - Does this require explanation in a colorless deck?
Beast Within - Destroys any permanent. This is a fantastic card to run as a mere 3/3 beast shouldn't bother you, and even if it would, it's likely far better than what they previously had.
Chaos Warp - Removes any permanent. Can be used on your own stuff to pull a new permanent out of your deck if needed. Bypasses indestructible.
See the Unwritten - Need I say more?
Tooth and Nail - Need I say more?
Exploration - Amazing ramp. Accelerates your turns
Burgeoning - See Exploration
Mana Reflection - The best mana doubler, bar none.
Zendikar Resurgent - Mana doubler plus card draw
Smothering Tithe - One of the best ramp cards
Oracle of Mul Daya - Fantastic acceleration. Combines with other accelerators such as Exploration and Burgeoning as they can now play lands off the top of your library as well.
Second Sunrise - Full boardwipe recovery
Defense of the Heart - Easy free creature drops
Mirari's Wake - Mana doubler plus anthem
Faith's Reward - Full, personal, boardwipe recovery
Seedborn Muse - One of the best cards you can run, bar none.
Commander's Sphere - 3 drop mana rock that can tap for all colors. Replaces your banners (ex. Vanquisher's Banner )
Darksteel Ingot - 3 drop indestructible mana rock that can tap for all colors. Replaces your banners (ex. Vanquisher's Banner )
Recommended Land Additions/Swaps:
Cavern of Souls
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth - Mana coverage, allows your fetch and colorless lands to tap for colored if they need
Cabal Coffers - Combines with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to generates metric butt tons of mana
Fetch lands and shock lands are fantastic upgrades to your deck. Fetch lands let you pull the exact lands you need and let them come in untapped, and shock lands can both be fetched because they say the actual land type (ex. Breeding Pool is a Forest Island), and can come in untapped or tapped depending on what you need. Coming in untapped and generating multiple colors gives a distinct advantage over mono-colored lands and lands that must come in tapped.
Eldrazi Monument - Hurts you too much and doesn't generate enough benefit. If you can't get a weak creature out in time, or don't have one available, you'll either have a dead card in hand that you don't want to cast, or one that hurts you badly. If you want indestructible, look at cards like Boros Charm or Heroic Intervention .
From Beyond - Too slow and doesn't do enough.
A tribal deck isn't limited to only cards of its tribe, but rather is mostly one tribe and has several cards that accelerate and power up the tribe. Hence my recommendation is that you cut a few of the weaker cards that are unnecessary and instead run a few non-tribal cards that strengthen, accelerate, and assist your deck.
7 months ago
10 months ago
Commander / EDH*
2 COMMENTS | 81 VIEWS
With nobody able to help w/ this deck (Even though the fighting game series of the same name is so great), I really wanted to know what I can do to make this deck great, while faithful to the original source. Here's what I want from this:
- Creatures representing the characters of the verse.
- Lands representing the many areas of the verse
- Reasons why X (X = Card in Question.) is faithful to the original source; & also good.
- Why you think X is a good fit, even if it means sacrificing art for good effects
- Other things that are part of UNIB lore representing the other things (I'll get to it.)
- Even amounts of all 5 mana colors
- Having others help w/ some degree of knowledge of UNDER NIGHT IN-BIRTH.
I hope this helps, as I already have several things noted:
Merkava = Fathom Feeder (Voids consume w/o reason, & this Eldrazi has Ingest; & Deathtouch, which fits the bill the most about Merkava; a Void whose transformation is incomplete. That, & says Despair more than other color identities.
Ash Barrens = Abandoned Building (朽ち荒れた廃墟) (Welp, something happened to both things, so it fits.)
Mana Confluence or Cascading Cataracts = Abyss (The center of the Hollow Night; filled with Infinite EXS. Both of these are considered like the power of an Abyss; but only one can truly be forcefully Destroyed.)
Hinterland Harbor = Riverside Esplanade (川沿いの遊歩道) (Well, both have some body of Water in the Background, & are both Harbors.)
Isolated Chapel = Cathedral of Far East (極東の大聖堂) (Both have quite some religious quality to them.)
Prismatic Geoscope = The Ruby of Nothingness (虚無なる紅玉) (Both Rocks contain energy of its most powerful; although I dun think Geoscope would fit this...)
And... That's it. If anyone can help me w/ just the cards alone, that would be great as I'm using terminology for all this (I'll finish this later; let's see what we can find for now...). Thanks again for helping in advance... :)
10 months ago
Renamed the title. What do I have to do to get some help, please? I am working constantly on mentioned Terms of Under Night IN-BIRTH, but that's all I can do. That said, I at least was able to find a place to represent Merkava; Fathom Feeder (Both Voids & Eldrazi are surprisingly similar in some ways, & Fathom Feeder fits the abilities as a Devoid creature.). The rest, I can't good pics for the job while researching. Also, I dunno If Najeela, the Blade-Blossom is working as a commander for you, so I ask for a replacement if needed, as this is not Warrior Tribal. That said, here Re some applicants for the Hollow God:
& that's all I got. If you can tell me what would be the better commander for this, let me know... The Hollow God (虚神/うつろがみ) would be pleased w/ your opinion as this is meant to be 5 colors...
10 months ago
The first thing I'll say is that with 21 lands, you probably can't expect to get the mana to launch Army of the Damned or a really powerful Mind Grind or Torment of Hailfire. Well, at least without Organ Harvest, of which you're only sporting one copy. (If you don't play with teammates, or if you don't play with silver-bordered cards, you might replace it with Culling the Weak.) For reference, the math on Army of the Damned is that about 1/3 of your cards are lands = 8/24, meaning you need to survive to turn 17-18 (have seen a total of 24 cards between your opening hand and your draws each turn) to hit that 8th land. That’s a long time in a Magic game.
Second, Mind Grind, while fun, is questionable here, since none of your other cards will mill your opponent. Many people play with 4 copies of many of their cards, so milling them might not cut them off from their game plan unless you mill them so much they might die. And for that, you would need more support for the mill plan or a LOT more mana. (This is possible, but a big change. Look for cards like Glimpse the Unthinkable and Mind Funeral. Otherwise, I'd cut it for cards that affect board-state or life-totals.)
Third, your overall game plan appears to be to stall in the early game for more powerful plays late, since your low cost cards are generally defensive. This means you'll want more lands in your deck so that you don't stumble on your way to those big plays. I'd remove Coral Atoll and put in four Dimir Aqueducts. It's not the ideal play, but it's cheap and there's a lot of upside if your opponent doesn't Ghost Quarter it or something. Anyways, that will take you up to 24 lands AND increase your average mana output a little more, letting you rely on 4CMC, 5CMC, and 6CMC plays to dominate the game.
Finally, on to individual cards:
Kraken Hatchling, Mausoleum Wanderer, Pharika's Chosen, and Will-o'-the-Wisp are all fine defensive one-drops, but they all do something a little different. Thornbow Archer is a little more aggressive than the rest of your deck wants, so maybe drop it and pick your favorite of those first four and add a second.
Fogwalker is okay on defense, though it's not the best two-drop out there. I'm not a fan of Olivia's Dragon, especially outside of madness/reanimator decks. Rancid Rats just doesn't offer enough oomph for the mana (skulk is not typically a very useful ability). Graf Rats is bad unless you have Midnight Scavengers, so it's really about how much you personally want to meld them. Ultimately, I'd rather replace them with better blockers like Wall of Tears, Wall of Souls, Contraband Kingpin, Dragon's Eye Savants, Gifted Aetherborn, or the absolute top-tier Baleful Strix. Other value options include Omenspeaker, Sigiled Starfish, and Augur of Bolas. Other fun options here are Surge Mare, Riptide Mangler, Lazav, the Multifarious, Fathom Feeder, and Ludevic's Test Subject Flip. Choose your favorites. Alternately, spot-removal like Doom Blade, Victim of Night, Cast Down, Go for the Throat, and sometimes Dimir Charm are pretty effective.
Wharf Infiltrator can be good sometimes. You can leave it in for fun or replace it.
Eternal Scourge has its uses, but I don't think this deck is optimized for it. Ideally you'd want a few things that can exile it from graveyard or hand, such as Gurmag Angler, Soulflayer, Tombstalker, Scavenging Ooze, Grim Lavamancer), Azor's Gateway Flip (from hand), or the most hilarious option, Serum Powder. As it stands, it's just difficult to kill outside of combat, like a bad shroud or hexproof. Honestly, I don't think you need a 3/3 to be immune to removal. Replace with a finisher, which I'll discuss in a bit. Alternately, one of my favorite defensive 3CMC creatures is Graveblade Marauder, since its offensive capabilities can rapidly increase.
Markov Crusader isn't actually very good even in the rare case when you do have another vampire, and you only have one other one. Compare to 4CMC utility wunderkind Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet, 5CMC finishers (like Archfiend of Depravity, Glyph Keeper, Ob Nixilis, the Fallen, Vengeful Pharaoh, and maybe even Serra Sphinx), and 6CMC game-winners (like Noxious Gearhulk, Dread, Kokusho, the Evening Star, Wurmcoil Engine, Grave Titan, or even Vengeant Vampire, though that last one is much worse than the others). Sure, none do exactly what Markov Crusader does, but some are close and they all have incredible upsides. Even something like Shriekmaw might ultimately gain you more life by just killing something outright, plus it's super-flexible. Heck, Soul Ransom and Mind Control are strong cards too, at least against creature decks. Anyways, Markov Crusader is a card to replace.
Midnight Scavengers is okay, especially if you have a lot of disposable deathtouchers to bring back, but it still doesn't compare favorably to the above finishers unless you really want to meld it with Graf Rats. Remember, doing things you want to do is an important part of MTG. But if you don't care to meld, I'd look to replace it.
Ob Nixilis, Unshackled is fine. In most cases it doesn't compare favorably to the 6CMC critters above, but it has its uses. If you've got a lot of little deathtouchers (Pharika's Chosen, Typhoid Rats, Dire Fleet Poisoner, it can grow really out of hand. Also, Field of Ruin forces a library search.
Elder Deep Fiend is fine. Usually you play it in a deck that has plenty of creatures you don't mind (or are better off) sacrificing (for example, Priest of the Blood Rite, Relentless Dead, Doomed Dissenter, Stormbound Geist/Geralf's Messenger), then you emerge it early and tap down lands. That's not really your plan here, so it's probably not the best choice. Some good choices for replacements are above, but within the category of emerge creatures, I think Distended Mindbender fits your deck better.
Organ Harvest is a powerful card, but has some drawbacks. Most importantly, a lot of people don't play with or against silver-bordered cards. They're not legal in any official tournaments. Tournament legal variations are Dark Ritual, Culling the Weak, and Ashnod's Altar. Other than that, it's a card that is useless in many situations and completely changes what you're able to do when you actually can make use of it, and that can be awkward from a strategy perspective. If you don't have creatures, you can't cast it. If you don't have a big spell in your hand, you don't need to cast it and you'd rather have almost any other card. So it wants your deck to be full of disposable creatures and big spells, like an emerge deck or a zombie deck really making use of Army of the Damned and From Under the Floorboards. But for the most part that is not this deck, so unless you want to build around the card, I'd remove it, either replacing it with Dark Ritual which is always useful when drawn early, or something else that's cheap and effective: Dead Weight, Apathy, Doom Blade, Pharika's Chosen, or whatever.
Sorcerous Sight is worse than Peek and Gitaxian Probe, but I don't think any of those are particularly good in your deck. If you want to know what's in your opponent's hand, play Telepathy. Otherwise, there's better card draw: Preordain and Ponder are the best cheap spells, but it might be worth spending more mana for more effect with Sign in Blood or Chart a Course.
Cemetery Recruitment isn't particularly good with so few zombies. You can add more zombies, or switch to Ghoulcaller's Chant/Find / Finality/Recover/Disturbed Burial/Death Denied to simulate the effect, or just do card advantage the old-fashioned way, with stuff like Sign in Blood/Consult the Necrosages/Read the Bones/Notion Rain/Secrets of the Golden City. Alternately, shred your opponent's hand (and lose friends) with Hymn to Tourach or punch your opponent for cards with Shadowmage Infiltrator. If you're committed to bringing creatures back from the dead, look to Zombify, Extract from Darkness, or Isareth the Awakener, which can randomly run away with the game if your opponent doesn't have an answer. The most efficient reanimation spell is Unburial Rites, but you'd need to splash white for it to be better than the above options.
Contingency Plan doesn't actually net you any cards in hand; you just control what you are going to draw later. Since you're not very graveyard-focused, there's little benefit. The more flexible version is Dimir Charm, and the more powerful version is Lim-Dul's Vault. If you want to stack the top of your deck for 2CMC without wasting a card to do it, there's Diabolic Vision, but the 1CMC Preordain and Ponder are worthy as well. Alternately, raw card advantage is an option. Any of the options I've already listed are fine, but here are some more: Chemister's Insight, Foresee, Deep Analysis.
Mind Grind attacks on an irrelevant axis. Recommend replacing it with a finisher unless you add more mill. If you want a non-creature finisher, Ob Nixilis Reignited is pretty cool. If you just want something that can't get Murdered, there's Sphinx of Jwar Isle.
Torment of Hailfire is possibly workable if you go to 24 lands with Dimir Aqueducts. X=3 is pretty much the bare minimum, and if they have cards in hand even that might not be enough. This is a possible swap for a finisher, as above.
Army of the Damned is hard to cast at 8CMC. Recommend replacing it with a cheaper finisher unless you're all about Organ Harvest.
Apathy is pretty decent at 1CMC. Probably not as good as just casting Doom Blade/Go for the Throat to kill the thing, but definitely more interesting and fun. It can stay in, though swapping it for something more reliable is technically the correct decision.
Strange Augmentation is bad in your deck. While +3/+3 for 1CMC is fine in a very aggressive deck, that doesn't seem like your game plan. Ideally, your finishers are big enough to win without the extra P/T. If they're not, these could be replaced with kill spells to make sure they are.
Tormod's Crypt is useless unless you frequently play against graveyard-based decks. Even then, with only one in the deck, you're in bad shape. I'd swap it for Relic of Progenitus or Sentinel Totem if you really need graveyard hate. If a creature is reliable against those graveyard decks, Deadeye Tracker, Nezumi Graverobber, or Withered Wretch can do some work. Agent of Erebos is another option. If the only things you need to exile are creatures, then Cemetery Reaper, Dimir Doppelganger, and the powerful Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet are options. Otherwise, cheap kill spells, counterspells, or even more expensive exiling removal (e.g. Sever the Bloodline, Silence the Believers) are options. Phyrexian Scriptures is another card I'll mention, just 'cause it does lots of stuff.
Nevinyrral's Disk is pretty good. Go ahead and keep that in there.
Gridlock is okay, but it's basically a Darkness you can use aggressively. I think Sleep is generally better at that. Alternately, if you want a mass-defense spell, Yahenni's Expertise, Languish, and Damnation are the go-to sweepers.
Outwit is way too narrow; most decks don't target players. (The primary exceptions are burn and mill, so if you play against them a lot, it might be fine.) If you want a dollar-cost-effective counterspell in that slot, play Counterspell or MAYBE Dimir Charm for flexibility.
Murder is fine. (Card-wise, not morally!) Technically Hero's Downfall is better if you can get one.
Liliana Vess is fine, but she's a little slow. I'm not sure whether she's better or worse in this deck than Jace, Unraveler of Secrets, Ob Nixilis Reignited, Ob Nixilis of the Black Oath, or even Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver. My inclination is that those are stronger as you increase the median quality of the cards in your deck (making Vess's -2 less important).
Here's one inexpensive, somewhat-boring take:
2x Glyph Keeper
1x Liliana Vess
2x Dimir Charm
2x Doom Blade
2x Agony Warp
3x Notion Rain
That's just one take on the general strategy. Ultimately, (I think) you're playing Dimir Midrange, and so you're looking for about 40% (24) lands, 30% (18) things that keep you alive until you have 4-6 mana, 20% (12) things that kill your opponent and are themselves hard to kill, and 10% (6) things that put you ahead on cards just in case you're not drawing the right part of your deck.
1 year ago
Yeah, I completely missed the Deathtouch ability of Fathom Feeder.
Well, the deck seems almost done now. You should playtest it and see how it works.
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