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Dream Chisel Discussion
6 days ago
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5 months ago
I have a list that is very similar to yours, probably because we both searched "manifest" and "morph" in scryfall and put in the best cards, haha.. But let me tall you - it is so much fun. The combat tricks and mind games you can play with morphs! And you literally have a better Rhystic Study-on-a-stick as long as you have Kadena + Flash. I have actually ended up having too much card draw, and over-extending too hard because of it..
Some cards that could be really good in this list:
Beast Whisperer - Basically a replacement Kadena minus the discount effect.
Evacuation or other symmetrical creature board wipes - This deck is one of the rare decks where bouncing your creatures can be really good. Gives you repeatable card draw, ramp and tools and tricks. Evacuation is definitely the best, mostly bc of instant speed, but I've found Flood of Tears to be decent. (90% of the time you want to replay Leyline of Anticipation ...
Fun to see others appreciating Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer ! I actually think she can be deceptively strong, and has real potential!
5 months ago
Looking good. You might also appreciate Dream Chisel as what is essentially a mana rock in that it can be dropped before Kadena's even in play, letting your third turn morph creature come more cheaply.
5 months ago
[zorros rage] yes, I had Curio in each iteration of the build, it pairs really well with morph, but also really anything so long as it isn't an artifact. Altar of the Brood puts in work, and can go infinite if I have Dream Chisel , Ugin, the Ineffable , and curio out. I haven't had any games yet where Plague was played, so that one is still up for the chopping block. Mystic Forge totally works, casting a morph facedown is a colorless spell, so it is just lovely.
6 months ago
Staizer - Get ready for a long response:
I did look at the same list as you did, but as a longtime morph player, this deck is a disappointment. I've already made my thoughts on Kadena clear so I'll make that response short.
A bland Sultai value engine that brings nothing new to the table. She isn't a bad card by any means, but she doesn't address any of morph's biggest weaknesses. I'd still play Animar, Soul of Elements , Kruphix, God of Horizons , Muldrotha, the Gravetide , and maybe even the new Bant brawl commander over her.
The choice of morph/manifest related reprints
Some fine inclusions. Ixidron , Stratus Dancer , and Vesuvan Shapeshifter are nice, but they chose to exclude most of the best morph/manifest related cards: Dream Chisel , Ixidor, Reality Sculptor , Whisperwood Elemental , Riptide Entrancer , Voidmage Prodigy , Voidmage Apprentice , Aphetto Runecaster , Primordial Mist , Obscuring AEther , Unblinking Bleb , Weaver of Lies , Brine Elemental (though this one actually makes sense), and even Backslide . I would never expect all or even most of those to make it into the deck, but a couple would've been nice and would've made more sense than something like Deathmist Raptor or Silumgar Assassin .
Only Scroll of Fate and Kadena's Silencer are worth mentioning here. I know I sound like a broken record, but none of the new cards help address the issues facing morph: speed and the fact that morph is a value based mechanic that requires a massive mana investment. Morph will always be a casual mechanic, but it needs something that reduces the cost of triggering morph, or something that allows for multiple activations (my hope was for repeatable Backslide effects). Neither of those issues were addressed by the new cards in this deck. I would've been happy with just 1 card that helps in that way...1 card.
Is this a good pre-con for new players? Yes. Does it have value? Yes, though most of the value cards are only that way due to scarcity. I think many will end up tanking in price. Will it win games against the other pre-cons? Probably. Will it win games against even 60% decks? Unlikely.
So is it a good pre-con and I am being extra critical? Maybe, but this mechanic has had a special place in my heart for a very long time (Morph was first introduced when I was a little kid and just starting out playing Magic). I was excited to see morph finally get some needed reprints and support. Instead the new cards aren't that inspiring and the reprints honestly look like they just pulled up Gatherer, typed in "morph", and then picked some of the first things that they found.
6 months ago
I looked at the Sultai decklist and here are my two cents:
solid land base
good artifact reprints
good ramp reprints
some of the new cards look interesting
no Dream Chisel (as I predicted)
unimpressive morph package
vraska inclusion is both flavour and value fail
relatively low value with reptint price adjustment maybe you could brake even at best.
6 months ago
Dig deeper into the Sultai Morph precon decklist and you can find lot of reason to buy it. The manabase alone may be one of the better manabases for a three color Commander precon. Eleven nonbasic lands ETB untapped which is by precon standards an improvement from past precon manabases.
Why are the Signet lands ( Darkwater Catacombs ) being printed as rare lands? These lands don't actually make mana without having another land/one mana first, this is not an ability that's rare. These should be uncommon since they're much worse than Filter lands ( Sunken Ruins ) which are also rare lands.
Land value in the precon (in order):
- Ash Barrens
- Command Tower
- Sunken Hollow
- Bojuka Bog
- Reliquary Tower
- Thespian's Stage
- Exotic Orchard
- Llanowar Wastes
- Yavimaya Coast
I'm happy to see Ash Barrens reprinted because it's land that should be in every Commander precon. There's 17 two drops which is an improvement for precon deck building. Kadena, Slinking Sorcerer , Scroll of Fate and Kadena's Silencer look like good cards for morph. Silencer will however not hold at $10 of value it will decrease a lot. I don't know enough about the 13 other new cards to evaluate their value in the precon.
Valuable reprints in the Sultai deck (in order):
- Seedborn Muse
- Tempt with Discovery
- Thran Dynamo
- Sol Ring
- Strionic Resonator
- Hooded Hydra
- Sakura-Tribe Elder
- Reality Shift
- Grim Haruspex
Some notable exclusions for a morph theme:
- Dream Chisel : going to spike.
- Ixidor, Reality Sculptor : going to spike especially because of Scroll of Fate .
- Voidmage Prodigy : going to spike.
- Riptide Entrancer : going to spike.
- Birchlore Rangers : never been reprinted.
- Aphetto Alchemist : never been reprinted.
- Whisperwood Elemental
- Primordial Mist
- Zoetic Cavern
- Sultai Emissary