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Creature — Eldrazi
Devoid (This card has no colour.)
, Exile a creature card from your graveyard: Target opponent loses life equal to the exiled card's power. ( represents colourless mana.)
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Dread Defiler Discussion
10 months ago
My original build of the deck involved filully milling myself, casting Haakon, Stromgald Scourge and a Gravecrawler from the yard and using those and the Vengevine that they triggered to fire up a flashbacked Dread Return that would return a Dread Defiler that could then throw giant nonsense like a Lord of Extinction from my graveyard to their head.
After a while I realized this was just a lot more fragile and took a lot more mana than just having a single card, so now I have more space to run answers to graveyard hate, so I run Exsanguinate and Moonglove Extract as wincons.
1 year ago
Love this deck! I feel like there are lots of other ways to fill the grave, like Crow of Dark Tidings and the other myriad of spells designed to fuel Delirium. Dread Defiler definitely doesn't get enough love for his amazing ability.
Personally, while Dragonmaster Outcast is amazing, I think I would personally steer this away from red and more towards blue/black for removal, counters, overall early-game security, and more discarding and milling.
1 year ago
The idea is very nice, but the combo asks for quite an amount of mana, and in case of exile or bounce you'd be left totally vulnerable. I see Dread Defiler as a nice win con for late game, but it's damn expensive and slow.
Also, Oath of Nissa may be nice to get the right land or creature but it's quite pointless after that - unless you wanted to trigger delirium by sacrificing it while playing a second one. (I'd say Attune with Aether so that you get also energies for reusing aether hub and find your land)
I suggest 4x Ruinous Path, in order to cripple big beasts or control walkers, and maybe something apart from Ishkanah to counter fliers :V
1 year ago
1 year ago
Great deck though! +1 From me!
1 year ago
the deck looks good but i think its a bit lacking. i think you should reduce the Burn from Within to one copy. the card is only as a finisher or a late game removal when you you have nothing else, which makes it a situational removal. being a sorcery, makes it slow and may take away mana that you might want to use to react to the opponent's plays. i would even recommend replacing the one copy with Fall of the Titans since it can have multiple targets.
Thermo-Alchemist is a good card with a lot of potential but it is better suited for an aggro spelslinger deck. you could replace it with extra removal or another creature. maybe add an eldrazi to abuse Kozilek's Return such as, Reality Smasher /Thought-Knot Seer /Endbringer / Dread Defiler or Bedlam Reveler for more card advantage.
1 year ago
Meren is awesome. One of my play group still runs a Meren deck that he's tuned. I never went so far as to totally tune my deck but some things to think about:
1) your average CMC is really high. If your getting overwhelmed by turn 4 you need to lower your CMC to give yourself some breathing room. To that end you should look at getting rid of some of the 6-8 cost creatures you have. Dread Defiler, Archdemon of Unx, Birthing Hulk, Scourge of Nel Toth. These should be replaced with lower CMC costs. You didn't say there is a budget but lets be honest everybody prefers cheaper cards if they can. Spore Frog I HATE this card...mainly because I didn't know it existed while I played Meren now its always recurrable. From Beyond for example.
2) There are a few cards that you will probably find hardly get played because there are better options in hand. Eldrazi Monument its cost is 5 and in theory should be amazing but if I need indestructable creatures with Meren its probably because I don't have enough chumps I want to be sacraficing anyway.
4) now for the weird fun stuff (ie more costly fun stuff) My friend runs Rune-Scarred Demon and Blade of Selves. The blade is just universal good stuff in meren decks where everything wants to be an enter the battlefield trigger. I've put the blade on the duplicant and completely exiled other peoples board states. It costs a bit though. the demon in black decks is just sweet. One of my personal favorite cards is the Avenger of Zendikar. (do you see some of my hypocrasy? yes lower your CMC but put in these giant creatures!!)
If you would like other ideas let me know and I can post some more but you need to think about what type of game you want to play and let people know. I ran Meren with a token strategy hence the avenger. My friend runs more control type of strategy he uses things like dictate of erebos and the butcher etc.
Hope this helps,Tree
1 year ago
First off: If you take this to a vintage tournament you won't win a single game. A format where Black Lotus is allowed is very fast and well, you're very slow. If you want to play this competetively, go for a Colorless Legacy Eldrazi list. It's "just" arround 1000$, so you can get it fairly cheap.
For a kitchen table this is fine of course, I'd recommend a few things still. As you can see on your color-pie, your mana-spell ration is a little off.I'd throw out the black all together because Dread Defiler doesn't add too much to the deck. I'd play ramp-spells instead, like Kodama's Reach. It fixes and helps you.
You should throw out the Bounce-Lands too and just go for basics. They don't make the deck faster so there's no point in running them.
And sorry for the long delay, I wasn't home over the weekend. :p