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Creature — Rat
When Drainpipe Vermin dies, you may pay B. If you do, target player discards a card.
Drainpipe Vermin Discussion
2 months ago
It turns out that there are lots of card that are marked as illegal in Noble that should be legal. Some of these cards include Corpse Hauler , Drainpipe Vermin , Necromancer's Assistant and Dawnstrike Paladin . Am I missing something? Or do these cards need to be fixed?
1 year ago
Modern is fairly flush with Counterspells and Removal, so I'm not sure how often you will achieve infinite rats Marrow-Gnawer (that said, hell of a commander deck).
Currently rats very much likes being a tempo version of 8-Rack, so I definitely recommend looking into that kind of strategy.
Thoughtseize, Liliana of the Veil and Collective Brutality aren't exactly budget friendly pieces, but the idea of disrupting your opponents hand with Ravenous Rats, Chittering Rats, Drainpipe Vermin etc. while beating down with Pack Rats seems like a game plan.
as for Marrow-Gnawer, he seems like a sweet transformative Sideboard plan against combo or even control.
1 year ago
Great idea! I'd definitely want to tweak the lands, though, because you dont need nearly as much green mana s you do black. Also really wouldn't run 4x Eldrazi Monument, because they cost so much mana and you only really need on in play. I think you're fine with just two in the deck.
You probably want some one-drops, either rats that might help you control the early game (Drainpipe Vermin, Typhoid Rats), or some green mana dorks to help ramp into more rats and/or the monument and Bloodbond March. Otherwise your deck might get run over by more complex decks before you have a chance to set up your combo. Some more control might be nice too. Tragic Slip goes well with the monument, as well as with creature-heavy decks in general since something is always going to be dying. If you can afford it, staples like Inquisition of Kozilek and Thoughtseize could be a good turn 1 play as well, to ensure you're not just losing a turn, and to get rid of threats that could disrupt your rats later on.
Another card I like for this is Claim, since it can bring back either pack rat or rat colony for just one mana.
1 year ago
Cool idea, dude. Unfortunately if you want it to be viable in Modern I think you need the normal Rock package. 3 Inquisition of Kozileks, 2 Thoughtseize, 1 Abrupt Decay, 1 Maelstrom Pulse and 3 Fatal Push. You're just not fast enough to beat the fast decks in the format. I'd also play 2-3 Collective Brutality, because discarding Rat Colony to bring the back later with Bloodbond March is the way to go.
To find room for this, I'd lose 4 Drainpipe Vermin, 4 Ravenous Rats and the Aether Vials. Using Aether Vial to dump your hand quickly doesn't seem to have the same impact as in other decks, as you don't win with great speed. Control is also not a huge problem due to the addition of discard. I'd also take out 1 Grim Backwoods for another Overgrown Tomb. 2 of those is too many.
Sideboard should be 1x Maelstrom Pulse, 2x Chameleon Colossus for black decks (and in flavour), 2x Damnations, 2x Nihil Spellbomb (card draw is relevant vs Leyline), 3x Fulminator Mage for Tron, Surgical Extraction for combo/Tron, 2x Collective Brutality, 1x Deglamer/Unravel the Aether and 1x Golgari Charm.
I don't know if this meant to be budget because those cards obviously bump up the price, but I think that makes the deck viable, haha
Sorry for the over advice. It was meant to be short, but just kept going...
1 year ago
I put together this less budget B/G version. Bloodbond Verminator
1 year ago
1 year ago
Concise list of considerations:
The Rack single target is really crappy in EDH
Wheel of Torture Same effect as The Rack except it hits everyone.
Skullcage Hits all opponents who don't have either 3 or 4 cards in hand.
Raiders' Wake Another Caress/Megrim effect, except this one makes your opponent discard if you attack.
Quest for the Nihil Stone Anyone without a hand gets domed for 5 during their upkeep...seems good.
Bloodchief Ascension Self Explanatory card
Mindcrank This is a great card in a discard centric deck.
Get rid of all of these cards Bog Rats, Carrion Rats, Deathmask Nezumi (it's a nombo with everything you're doing), Drainpipe Vermin, Gutter Skulk, Nezumi Cutthroat, Pestilence Rats, Ravenous Rats, Swarm of Rats, and Typhoid Rats.
Relentless Rats Replace all of the cards removed with these. You are not restricted to a single copy, per EDH rules, because Relentless Rats specifically states that card limitation requirements do not apply to it.
Get rid of anything that is single target discard! Especially Raven's Crime, since you don't have enough lands that you can afford to be ditching them for a single discard.
Add more things that hit everybody, such as Necrogen Mists or are renewable.
Specter's Shroud Might be worth looking into.
You need more board wipes. You have one 9 CMC board wipe with only 32 lands in the deck. The Hyper-geometric distribution doesn't give you very good odds of pulling the lands you need in order to keep the board clear. Consider Bontu's Last Reckoning, Yahenni's Expertise, Crux of Fate (which may work to your favor with all the Dargon decks running around), Damnation is a given but it's pricey, Life's Finale, Kindred Dominance, and Necromantic Selection are all decent options.
Liliana of the Dark Realms is a much better Lili for a deck like this because you need ramp and that Ult is ridiculous plus it combos with...
Let's talk about your mana base for a second...
Thirty two lands? Even for a very cavalier spell slinger deck, that is a very low amount to play. I play a Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck on 36 and struggle some times to reach a critical mass of mana/spells. Don't fall into the trap of "I'll cut a land for this cheap spell; it'll be fine." Again, math and probability will not be on your side in the late game, not unless you're willing to invest in Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or Cabal Coffers. An alternative might be to run Crypt of Agadeem but it's really no substitute for those lands.
Lastly, jam a Bojuka Bog or a Scavenger Grounds or both in there for graveyard hate, along with your choice of Strip Mine, Ghost Quarter, and/or Field of Ruin because if you can't have your Crypt or Coffers, why should they?
Hope this helps, good luck!
2 years ago
Yeah, I already know this is going to be difficult, and there are so many other good options. However i love rats it is my favorite creature type and I feel like this might be able to go somewhere if built correctly. Well first let me tell you what I know, about these evil little creatures.
Some of them have a very strong ability called ninjutsu. Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni being one of the best since you can get a free card from their graveyard, one you most likely discarded. Throat Slitter and Skullsnatcher are also good ninjutsu cards.
So how can i do this? I know modern is a very fast format and so I have thought maybe making it black green creature aggro with some mana ramp to get out Marrow-Gnawer early and even run some collective company because that would make Pack Rat and Swarm of Rats bigger. Then the other deck i was thinking of was Black Blue control making them discard their hands and then use counters to stall until i can get the field full of rats. So what are your thoughts?
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