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Creature — Hydra
: Monstrosity X (If this creature isn't monsterous, put X +1/+1 counters on it and it becomes monsterous.)
As long as Domesticated Hydra is monsterous, it has trample.
Domesticated Hydra Discussion
3 months ago
Always nice to find another Sasaya player! This deck is a hard nut to crack but I think you are on the absolute right track. I will try to share what works for me. As you surely know the deck plays vastly differently with and without a fliped Sasaya, so I will give you my thoughts for each part, as well as a few general things I found useful.
Pre-flip: This is the part where every mana spent counts. Spells you want to cast here should be as cheap as possible and make flipping easier. It seems kinda obvious but: to have 7 lands in hand, you have to have at least 7 cards in hand! Keeping your card count high while playing spells and lands is key for a fast flip. Continuous card draw like Howling Mine works great for this, top deck manipulation with Sensei's Divining Top is also nice. Spells like Gatecreeper Vine are essentially a land in your hand while providing a blocker too. Ramunap Excavator and Crucible of Worlds let you play fetch lands or cycle lands from your graveyard keeping your stock in hand high. For that same reason Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , Peregrination and Khalni Gem are the best ramp spells you can get. Renegade Map , Traveler's Amulet and Wanderer's Twig push you over the threshold right before the turn you need it. Yes, they erode your hand size at first but that's right when Gaea's Bounty and the likes come in.
Post-flip: Great, you got 7 lands in hand and can flip! But what else? City of Solitude would be another Dosan to protect you, but the real problem is finding a payoff card in a deck that is almost 70% setup. As you already play the Portal and the Ring, I guess you'll like Skyship Weatherlight too. You'll run out of life before you run out of mana with Book of Rass . Personally I prefer cards I can play pre-flip and can activate post-flip. Domesticated Hydra or Unyaro Bees look stupid when you play them, but finish off the most dangerous opponent quickly. Temur Sabertooth can be used in too many ways to count. Polukranos, World Eater is a boardwipe (together with Khamal, a landwipe too) and finishes off whoever can't play a blocker fast enough. Realm Seekers are huge or can get a new set of lands, in case someone removes Sasaya.
My personal favorite: Oath of Druids ! You wouldn't think it works, but it simply does. It is a fast way to find Life, hitting a payoff creature means you don't have to cast it and the overall confusion when something big jumps out of another deck is a great distraction. Everytime I play it, the game is a blast!
General thoughts: A few things, that come to mind, because they work for me. Please see this as constructive critique you can ignore too, if you think your deck works for you. Because every extra land drop lowers your card count I really don't like additional land drops. While they are great for ramping pre-flip, they postpone the flip and become almost negligible post-flip. Essentially they are rituals and I only consider Summer Bloom worth the slot. I see you don't play any utility lands, but I think Glacial Chasm is just too good to pass up. While we're on the topic of utility lands, I really think you should reconsider on playing cards that give no maximum hand size too. To reiterate: you can only reveal 7 lands if you have at least 7 cards in hand. Having the leeway of more cards beside your lands is what makes the effect a must have in my opinion. Library of Leng and Thought Vessel are worth their slots for me, next to the Tower. You not playing this effect creates a spiral: you still have to get up to 7 lands but you can never not consider what to do at your cleanup, suddenly searching for multiple lands becomes worse, then you have less food for spell mastery or delirium. Everything together is costing you at least 1 turn pre-flip. Especially if you chose not to play "no maximum hand size"-cards, but also in general, playing lands from your graveyard is always a good way to preserve your hand size. You state the the wave chain as your best win condition and you are absolutely right, it is the best. Still I don't like the Memorial just for how useless it is pre-flip. Let's be honest if the first Wave hits an E-Wit, you can Wave for the whole deck. What you win the game with in the end doesn't really matter. I like Goblin Canon because it can still work pre-flip in a pinch and still works in the wave.
Too many cards to suggest but I hope there are some cards you want to try out. If you have questions I'll gladly follow up. Cheers!
9 months ago
Borderland Explorer (unless you have a reason to discard)
Domesticated Hydra (just a big body, you can do better)
Both Embodiments (put your lands at risk for removal spells and dont add too much power overall unless you have a full awakening synergy)
Tunneling Geopede (too small of an effect unless you have a way to truly abuse it)
Hammer of Purphoros (what aspect are you trying to abuse with it?)
Ground Assault (Try to find instant speed removal)
Lay of the Land (in two color deck, not really needed)
Font of Fertility (not great ramp, if you want something that could be played for 1 or 3, look for search for tomorrow)
Retreat to Kazandu (again, a very small effect, unless you want to run more fertilid effects [that is a cool synergy if you want to go that way])
Retreat to Valakut (just too small, need more widespread effects, especially at 3 mana)
Searing Blaze (doesnt hit too much and better to try unconditional kills)
2 years ago
Eladamri's Call and Cromat have never been reprinted, so I would like to see them reprinted in this set, and Worldly Tutor also should be here, as well, since it was left out of Eternal Masters in favor of Green Sun's Zenith.
As for iconic creatures, my predictions are as follows:
Angels: it is very safe to presume that both Serra Angel and Akroma, Angel of Wrath shall be in this set, hopefully, with new artwork for both, and I also would like to see Angelic Arbiter, Shepherd of the Lost, Angel of Jubilation, Pristine Angel, Iridescent Angel, Crypt Angel, Desolation Angel, Angel of Despair, Empyrial Archangel, and Archangel of Thune.
Demons: Lord of the Pit is one of the most iconic demons in the game, but some other excellent choices are Abyssal Persecutor, Archfiend of Depravity, Bloodgift Demon, Butcher of the Horde, Grinning Demon, Havoc Demon, Herald of Torment, Kagemaro, First to Suffer, Kuro, Pitlord, Lord of the Void, and Xathrid Demon.
Sphinxes: it was not until recently that sphinxes started to become powerful and efficient, but, thankfully, there ave been a number of excellent sphinxes made, recently, including Consecrated Sphinx, Conundrum Sphinx, Goliath Sphinx, Guardian of Tazeem, Medomai the Ageless, Sharuum the Hegemon, Sphinx of Jwar Isle, Sphinx of Magosi, Sphinx of the Steel Wind, and Sphinx of Uthuun.
Hydras: as with sphinxes, hydras only recently have been well-designed creatures, so some hydras that I would like to see in this set are Apocalypse Hydra, Domesticated Hydra, Genesis Hydra, Hydra Broodmaster, Hydra Omnivore, Kalonian Hydra, Khalni Hydra, Managorger Hydra, Primordial Hydra, Savageborn Hydra, Ulasht, the Hate Seed, and Vastwood Hydra.
Dragons: there are too many dragons for me too list all of them, but it is safe to presume that Shivan Dragon shall be in this set, hopefully with new artwork, and some of my top choices are Moonveil Dragon, Balefire Dragon, Dragon Tyrant, Ebon Dragon, Mirrorwing Dragon, Moltensteel Dragon, Scourge of Valkas, Stormbreath Dragon, Two-Headed Dragon, Utvara Hellkite, Vampiric Dragon, Viashivan Dragon, and Hellkite Overlord.
Wow, I certainly typed many card names in this post: I hope that I did not miss any.
2 years ago
Notes for a revision, and some replies
There are some really good suggestions to the deck, but I know I am going to have a hard time cutting for them.
- Momentous Fall could go in since it is an instant and can both be used as draw and a life saver. Though I am actually afraidt to draw too many cards. Same issue with Life's Legacy and that is only sorcery speed.
- Usually budget is not an issue, but for this deck I'm trying to keep it budget'ish (as opposed to my Leeching Cotton: Oloro's Couch deck) so I won't be adding Gaea's Cradle. I'm running Mirri's Guile over Sensei's Divining Top for flavor and the devotion (I should probably consider Karametra's Acolyte)
- You have a point. Selvala, Heart of the Wilds could count for both ramp and draw.
- The Conjurer's Closet and Blade of Selves are in the mix to help the ROI on the 'friends of hydras' category.
- I think the Urza's Incubator is too weak in the ramp category for this deck (I'd prefer more doublers)
- Vines of Vastwood is great. I'll consider
- I guess I should be looking for a spot for Domesticated Hydra
- Lifecrafter's Bestiary could make it in the deck. It is sort of usefull and it has a hydra'ish picture.
I should also make room for / consider
- Rhonas the Indomitable: Trample enabler
- Prowling Serpopard: Do not counter my overly expensive spells, thank you.
Panas on Chemo Ramp
2 years ago
Alright! I gave the deck a quick look and it looks relatively good overall. I understand you are not in a very competitive meta (or at least, not a very cutthroat one at that) and that budget is a concern albeit not a very crazy one.
I see enough card draw and cards that replace themselves. I also liked that you built the deck accordingly, avoiding enchantment and artifact inclusions to fit the theme of blowing all of them up.
With that said we reach the greatest flaw in the deck. Without any strong, early ramp and so many high costed cards doing what you want, your deck is left slow and clunky and will often durdle and fold to early advantage gained by other people through the same things you hate. Breaking a Sylvan Library on turn 5 means that opponent already has gained all the value in the world out of it and probably doesn't care too much that it's being destroyed.
A second point I want to make is that although you do have a lot of big mana plays, a LOT of them are inefficient considering the resource investment into them (mana cost Vs effect + P/T). Here's a list of which ones I didn't like too much and the reasoning behind it:
- Avatar of Might is a vanilla trampler in your deck. Unless you are facing against a fast aggro deck or token generator, you are the one playing the creature deck so I wouldn't expect to cast it on the cheap side often.
- Deus of Calamity is an awesome card but it needs the proper enablers (double strike/constant buffs) for it to work as intended and even then it's a "win more" card. In effect it does a hell of a lot under certain conditions, but those are hard to come by and when you are behind you'd prefer playing something else.
- Domesticated Hydra a very high investment just to get a trampler. Evasion is good but when you compare these kind of cards with enablers like Thunderfoot Baloth and Siege Behemoth they are very lackluster.
- Havenwood Wurm: 7 mana for a 5/6 trampler? You can do a lot better than this. The instant speed doesn't warrant this investment as it is essentially asking you to skip your turn to play this.
- Stonebrow, Krosan Hero would be a lot better in a shell where mass trample and Overrun effects ran rampant. This is not the case so quite often he will be giving you an extra 2-4 damage on swing. He's not that bad though.
- Blunt the Assault is a heavy costed fog effect. If life gaining is that important, running Shamanic Revelation is better. If the fog is really needed then just run Fog or Lull or Respite or Winds of Qal Sisma.
- Devil's Play is a very flavourful card and I do like it, but I think it's a bit small for commander. Fall of the Titans or even better Comet Storm do a much better job at finishing people.
- Scrabbling Claws is not good enough for graveyard hate. There exist much better alternatives (i.e. Relic of Progenitus)!
And here are my suggestions for you, including some notable omissions. Some have already been mentioned by others.
- Acidic Slime
- Mold Shambler
- Reclamation Sage!
- Sakura-Tribe Elder!
- Wood Elves!
- Farhaven Elf!
- Woodfall Primus!
- Chaos Warp!
- Krosan Grip!
- Ancient Grudge
- Comet Storm
- Hull Breach
- Skyshroud Claim!
- Hydra Broodmaster
- Beast Within!
- Xenagos, God of Revels
I would choose a number of these as replacements prefering their versatility, efficiency and power.
Those are my thoughts. :)
ps: since tappedout doesn't let me mark my most suggestions through the checkboxes for some reason, i'll put an exclamation mark next to them...
2 years ago
Here are some hydras and other creatures I would recommend, click the little check make if you like the suggestions!!
I would add someone drop Mana generates so you can boost up your hydras even more
Now For Some Crazy Powerful Hydras if you Pump Enough Mana Into Them
Now Cards to add +1/+1 counters to all of your hyras
Ordeal of Nylea(Great way to add counters and a way to get land on the battlefield
Hope You Enjoy the Suggiujstonsit would really help if you check marked them!!! Thank You!!!
2 years ago
I'm pretty sure monsterous will return. There were new monsterous cards printed in CN2, (Domesticated Hydra), so it leads me to believe it will likely be back.
As for Heroic, I want it to return, but it's probably not likely with the splitting of the Gods and their dieties.
2 years ago
For being a Hydra deck, you aren't running very many hydras.
Doubling Chant, while one of my favorite hidden gems, has the potential of getting out dead hydras.
I don't see the point in Terastodon in this deck. Far too expensive, and other than that, he isn't a hydra!
If you were going for more expensive ones, I would definitely recommend Khalni Hydra and Kalonian Hydra. Khalni is stupid easy to get out (with all those mana dorks you have, you could probably get it out T3), and also is fucking STUPID with Aspect of Hydra. Kalonian I don't think needs any explanation. Attack, and all your other hydras get bigger. A lot bigger.
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