Dawn to Dusk
Choose one or both —
- Return target enchantment card from your graveyard to your hand.
- Destroy target enchantment.
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|Commander 2015 (C15)||Uncommon|
|Born of the Gods (BNG)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Dawn to Dusk Discussion
10 months ago
Reasons for the two questions above:
If you are winning 1/4 games, you are on par with the rest of the decks in your meta :). Either way though, tuning our decks is part of the fun and will make our playgroup improve as well.
As for the other question, for me the cards that "aren't bad", but aren't great most of time, are the signals for weak links. Either I take those out in favour of cards that synergize, increase card advantage or make a pathway to, and support, my win condition... Or, if they are cards I want to focus on, I keep them in and remove others in place of cards that'll make the "aren't bad" cards great.. Of course it all depends :).
I admit, I do not have much experience with STAXish or Control, and I'm still low on the learning curve. I do have some thoughts to share that I think can help :). I like to find a balance between flavour and function, cards that synergize and have the same "feel" while helping achieve more focus. The focus is a big step for a deck to take to get more wins. Coming up with some clear pathways to your wincons is important.
If you don't have the $ to pickup the Demonic Tutor , Idyllic Tutor and Enlightened Tutor s, there are options like Insidious Dreams . I always look at scryfall.com for transmute cards that could work as well. I just saw Brainspoil , it would be cheaper to activate than Diabolic Tutor . You would pay 3, discard it and go for any card that's 5 cmc, with special thought to either piece of your wincon. It'd also offer another removal in a pinch, or if your wincon is in hand.
If the Blood-Bond combo is your win-con right now, I'd recommend adding in recursion to get them back if they're destroyed. Argivian Find for example. Monk Idealist is a good option if you want to be more creature based. Tragic Poet is slightly slower but lower cmc. Dawn to Dusk costs a little more but pulls double duty as enchantment removal. Open the Vaults could get them both on the battlefield if each are in the yard, and for cheaper than casting both from your hand - you could make getting them from your library to your yard and casting this one pathway to your wincon. I've heard of someone using Insidious Dreams to put combo cards on top of their library, then using something to mill themselves (blue is good at this) and casting an Open the Vaults type spell. Either way you want to go, it'd be worth having at least two recursion spells to support your win-con.
If you add that enchantment recursion, a Sunbond might work to good effect, synergizing with both your lifegain and counters, but also allowing you to beef up a creature for a big strike. Spirit Loop is fantastic on big strikers, if you find your getting one in 75-80% of games. It doubles up with lifelink. Underworld Coinsmith could be a nice flavour/function addition if you start leaning into the enchantment side a little more. Basilisk Collar is a great value card giving some big creature deathtouch as one more disincentive for attacking you, while giving you another tool for lifegain when it's time to go on the attack. Imagine these on Defiant Bloodlord ?!
Worn Powerstone could be a good addition to your mana-base, something the deck might need to be able to keep responding. Smothering Tithe is one that’s off flavour but could be what you need to help ramp.
As Kaigz recommended, Dawn of Hope would go well and give you good card draw.
Krav, the Unredeemed and Regna, the Redeemer could be a nice little combo in this deck - but they both do great as solo includes. I have Krav in a deck that has the colours for Regna, but I already make plenty of tokens. In this deck, you don't have as many creatures to sacrifice to Krav, and if Regna was removed he'd be less useful for you. However, I'd say Regna might be useful? If you had a few more token generators, they'd be a great addition. Casting a creature and getting another to your hand is pretty big value in itself, but with tokens Krav is fantastic value while also making a big creature. I have him in my life leaching Ghave deck
Purity seems sweet. Do you have much red in your meta, enough to make this worth the slot and cmc? if so... Auriok Champion could swapped in for Soul's Attendant , 1 more, it has protection from red making it not just immune to red spells, but an invincible blocker against any creatures (meta dependent).
Imp's Mischief is a powerful little "counterspell" that isn't a counterspell and it goes into the bucket of cards the teach people not to target you... This style of deck is a good place to take that strategy that punishes people for coming at you. Deathtouch and instant speed removals help with that as well.
Batwing Brume is a cheap$ fog for your colours that also fits the flavour.
Here's some thoughts on cards to take out - of course this is from online review and opinion, I don't have the gameplay experience you have.
Do you regularly have plenty of cards in hand to make the of Venser's Journal worth it?
Pontiff of Blight I don't think there's good value between his cost and what he offers you. There's cards that'd do far more for you.
I THINK cards like Night Terrors are better for much faster and competitive metas where you will know who is going to most likely be able to stop you from comboing off. Or in 1v1 games. I haven't found a place for those cards in semi-competitive group metas yet, and definitely wouldn't guess to see it fulfilling the cardslot's deserved value. It's a 1for1 trade off leaving you and the person you targeted one step behind your other opponents in card advantage. I DO see the times it could be fantastic, but it's one of those corner-case cards in the multiplayer slower style of EDH.
I feel like with the slow lifegain you have, I'd take Aetherflux Reservoir out until you consistently, after many, many games, find yourself getting to 90-100 life. I understand it to be mainly good in Storm or in a deck with more explosive life gain, like Firesong and Sunspeaker , or one that uses lifelink or Spirit Loop on a giant voltron commander. I might, if this were my deck, take it out for cards that make your deck tick a little more, just for now. Then, if you are gaining plenty of life (multiples of 50) over many games or created strong pathways to get Exquisite Blood onto the battlefield, you will by then see what is worth taking out for this. Exquisite Blood and the Reservoir are pretty their own Blood-Bond combo, but you need to make sure you have that 55 or more life consistently.
Felidar Sovereign ... Personal opinion alert .... When I first got back into magic I was so excited to pull this in a booster pack... I personally dont enjoy these alternate wincons and feel there's cards that could fill this slot that'd synergize with other cards for more diverse interactions and make the deck far more interesting. But that's just me :)
1 year ago
Well after my denial w/ Boros, I actually have one other plan in mind...
Should I make a Gate Deck, or what? Just asking to be sure...
1 year ago
The concept of the deck sounds great, I'm tempted to make a deck with the same concept, or just "netdeck" the one you make. Havoc Festival looks good, and it plays along with the idea of not winning, but making your opponent lose because they cannot gain life . But enchantments can get destroyed easily due to things like Naturalize , Dawn to Dusk , Demystify , Decimate , etc. So just so that you have something to also prevent lifegain I would add Erebos, God of the Dead , That is if you're not on a budget. Descent into Madness is also a good card for the concept . I don't really know what cards you're going to use in the deck so it's kind of hard to determine what cards to suggest. I would add Exquisite Blood and Sanguine Bond to lower your opponents health and gain some yourself, but if you're going to add those then you should probably add some lifegain stuff to this deck, such as Disciple of Bolas , Blood Artist , Sorin's Vengeance , Chalice of Life Flip , painful quandry , etc. I also don't know if you're going to be playing casual or competitive, but i'll assume competitive. I'd also add Kaervek the Merciless . Maybe you could throw in Whip of Erebos and a Exsanguinate . Those are all the suggestions I have right now, so uh good luck on making the deck. Again, the concept is really interesting to me so I hope this deck works out for you.
1 year ago
Very interesting deck with constellation!
Your mana curve doesn't spike too quickly, so I would scale down to at least 37 lands. With only being dual-color, Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds don't add too much value because they're slow lands. Your mana rocks do a good job of balancing your colors. If you're nervous about getting raw mana, consider Thran Dynamo and Worn Powerstone.
You have a lot of very useful artifacts that can accelerate your game. Having Caged Sun, Gauntlet of Power, and Heartstone make Daxos' ability easy to take advantage of, and Illusionist's Bracers gets you even more value. However, I don't see much of a way to get to these artifacts. Diabolic Revelation is great, but it only happens once. If you use it to deal with a situation, then you might not be able to get to your value pieces. I would suggest adding in a few more tutors, such as Demonic Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, and Vampiric Tutor.
You have a few Oblivion Ring effects in your deck. While they're really nice for the experience and the constellation triggers, you might want to consider replacing some of them with instant-speed removal. Path to Exile, Swords to Plowshares, Return to Dust and Erase are some pretty good staples.
If you're looking for cards to cut, I've noticed that you have a lot of indestructibility in the deck, in both artifact and enchantment form. Redundancy is good, but if you can tutor to Darksteel Plate, the only benefit Indestructibility gives you are more constellation triggers. You also seem to be prepared to have your enchantments wiped multiple times. Crystal Chimes is vulnerable to artifact removal, and is more expensive than Dawn to Dusk.
Great work, it looks like a fun deck to play!
1 year ago
2 years ago
Overall, your deck seems like it's got a bit of an identity crisis. On one hand, it wants to play loads of big, splashy angels, but on the other, it wants to be a classic UW draw-go control sort of build. If you want to go the angel tribal route, I would switch the commander to something that gets you access to green, like Jenara, Asura of War or Sigarda, Host of Herons in order to get some much needed ramp (more on that later). If you want a more controlling build, I would stick with GAAIV but cut most of the angels. Control builds in EDH tend to win via infinite combo (in the case of "traditional" control, like your deck) or via locking everyone else out of the game with cards like Smokestack and Winter Orb.
Also, you're in sore need of some card draw. Without it, you're going to be stuck in the late-game waiting to topdeck something useful while your opponents are winning the game. Rhystic Study and it's cousin, Mystic Remora are staple cards for blue decks. Adding some extra cantrips, like Brainstorm, Anticipate, and Preordain will help you stack your draws and get the best of your cards. Some other good card draw options are Recurring Insight, Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Fact or Fiction, Foresee, Blue Sun's Zenith, and Consecrated Sphinx.
I mentioned ramp earlier, which your deck DEFINITELY needs more of. Angels are expensive, and they won't do you much good when you don't have the mana to cast them. First of all, I recommend running at least 36 lands, and maybe picking up a few more dual lands, like Azorius Chancery and Glacial Fortress. Another important thing to consider is mana rocks. Azorius Signet is an autoinclude, Hedron Archive is great in slower decks, and Fellwar Stone, while more effective in 3 to 5 colors, is still a great rock, especially when you're playing against two or three other people who'll probably have the colors of mana you'll need. White also has some non-artifact ramp options, like Weathered Wayfarer and Land Tax, which often put in serious work. If you splash some green, you also get stuff like Cultivate/Kodama's Reach, Sakura-Tribe Elder, Burgeoning, and Exploration to help get your angels out as quick as possible.
You're also running low on tutor effects, which are essential in a format where you can only run 1 copy of a given card. Unfortunately, the best tutor effects (for your deck) are green and black, so you'll have to make do with cards like Enlightened Tutor, Muddle the Mixture, and Fabricate, although adding green (hint hint) gets you great cards like Eladamri's Call, Wargate, and Green Sun's Zenith.
Finally, I would cut out some of your worse counterspells (Absorb, Dispel, etc.) for some removal, hate cards, and better counterspells. Board wipes like Austere Command, Wrath of God, Supreme Verdict, and overloaded Cyclonic Rift are all extremely useful, hate cards like Rest in Peace, Dawn to Dusk, and Grafdigger's Cage hose powerful decks, and white, being the king of removal, has some awesome spells like Path to Exile, Condemn, and Oblivion Ring. For counterspells, I would consider Cryptic Command, Summary Dismissal, Overwhelming Intellect, and of course, Counterspell.
2 years ago
Sram, Senior Edificer, Ghostblade Eidolon, Snake Umbra, Unquestioned Authority, Bow of Nylea, Spear of Heliod, Heliod, God of the Sun, Mother of Runes, Celestial Mantle, Grasp of Fate, Shield of the Oversoul, Dawn to Dusk, Archetype of Courage, Celestial Archon, Eidolon of Rhetoric, Nylea, God of the Hunt, and Spirit of the Labyrinth all work with this deck pretty well. I apologize if I am repeating suggestions, or missed it in your deck. I feel they're inclusion is intuitive however if you want me to elaborate on a card I would be happy to.
2 years ago
Nice deck. I think Privileged Position would be a good addition. Also I'd consider Grand Abolisher since your deck is a little bit pillow-fort like and its nice to have before Dragonlord Dromoka hits the field.
I'm not sure why you're using Ground Seal, though. At least, not when considering your cards that interact with your graveyard like Greenwarden of Murasa, Monk Idealist, Scavenging Ooze, Sun Titan, World Breaker andDawn to Dusk.