Cut deals 4 damage to target creature.
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Cut occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%
3 weeks ago
Lightning Helix is the combination of Healing Salve and Lightning Bolt. We all know the value of Lightning Bolt, but much less so that of Healing Salve. These days, Lightning Bolt is too strong for Standard and we refer to Lightning Strike for a more appropriately costed card for that damage range. If we look at specifically instants or sorceries that deal 4 damage, we come into the midrange territory and the costs are similarly higher or with extra conditions or restrictions. Char, Collective Defiance, Electrify, Flame Lash, Exquisite Firecraft, Lightning Blast, Slaying Fire, Stoke the Flames. On the cheaper side we have Cut, Flame Slash, Heartfire, Galvanic Blast, Lava Coil, Reckless Abandon.
I think at the least we can say that dealing 4 damage to any target unconditionally is more likely a CMC 4 spell that usually has some additional benefit stuck onto it or a 3 CMC with some requirements. So the raw unconditional 4 damage is somewhere around 3,X CMC.
Now healing 4 is way cheaper and can be done with Life Goes On for a single mana, at instant speed, with a condition to gain more life. The only other card to note is Sacred Nectar, which I believe we can quickly agree is overcosted and underperforming. All other cards that gain life around these ranges have something else going on for them, Feed the Clan, Blessed Alliance, Life Burst. As such, the raw 4 life is not even worth a mana.
So 4 damage is roughly worth 3,X CMC and 4 life is worth 0.Y CMC. Put those effects together on a multicolor card and Warleader's Helix seems like a fairly costed card at uncommon. Although fair does not equal good.
That was a rather long way to go just to say that Warleader's Helix is a fairly costed card... but not a very good one.
A condition may shave off a mana in the cost, but that leaves us at 3 CMC for a 4 damage, 4 life spell. The Vampiric Helix is definitely undercosted by 1 or needs a tougher condition, say control 2 or more vampires.
Now the biggest issue I take to this card is the ability to play it mono black. Mono black is not that efficient, seeing cards like Consume Spirit or Agonizing Syphon, Pharika's Cure. However neither red nor white has these effects by themselves. I think a good midway would be to have black as a required cost and then have the supplementary color be hybrid: would be fair in my eyes. Alternatively you could have white as the primary color and black/red as the supplementary, but that is not very flavorful as far as Vampire tribal goes. To compensate the increased cost, you could have the base version be 3 damage/3 life.
1 month ago
I've been making changes, some have worked out, some not so much. Still having the same challenge getting the Avg Win Turn down to 4 or below, however, I have seen the combo win-% go up dramatically, almost never kill with combat damage anymore ( Rakdos the Defiler and Kaalia of the Vast + Master of Cruelties are the exceptions).
Giving Dockside Extortionist a fair test, so far no feeling either way, hasn't been stellar, hasn't been a disappointment. I put Corpse Dance in to give him an Infinite Combo so he has the best opportunity to impress me, we'll see. He is not my style of card, anything that relies on my opponents doing something, I generally avoid, but still evaluating what he is, recently added.
I've actually removed every (except Hall of the Bandit Lord ) non-T1 land, so Meteor Crater won't meet my criteria. Also trying to cut down on the # of non- Worldgorger Dragon effective lands where I can too (like Sacred Foundry ), that way if I T1 Worldgorger Dragon can make infinite with "most" lands.
Reflecting Pool , Dragonskull Summit (all check lands), and others have been eliminated, hate not having a on T1. I do like having Swamp and Plains , also note I've added Snow-Covered Swamp as well, to mitigate Blood Moon type effects, and utilize the Path to Exile and Assassin's Trophy (and some other ramp spells) benefits.
Forbidden Orchard is good, but doesn't work great with Master of Cruelties which I still play, mana sourcing is still quite good and consistent anyway, so no need to go the Forbidden Orchard or Tarnished Citadel routes anyway unless makes strategic sense.
Mox Opal just never going there, I ran another Mox Opal probability table this past weekend for a Kess, Dissident Mage friend, I just don't like it, I won't share the whole table, but here is some reasons why. Also, keep in mind, this probability is only the probability of drawing 3 artifacts (assuming you draw a Mox Opal whats the chance you have 2 others), if I were to do P(Drawing 3 artifacts) union P(drawing Mox Opal ) would be VERY low.
T1 with 18 artifacts is only 11%. By turn 5 (ignoring additional draw for now) is only 32%. At 24 artifacts T1 is 22% and T4 (want to win on or before this turn) 52%. 28 artifacts gets close to a good playability at T1 31% and T4 58%, but I feel if Kaalia of the Vast has 28 artifacts, just to engage a Mox Opal you should probably be playing a different commander, because their just aren't that many utility artifacts for Kaalia of the Vast .
Final Parting would allow for a Animate Dead tutor and a Worldgorger Dragon GY, but also need something to do with the infinite mana or have a damage outlet ( Dragon Tempest or Bogardan Hellkite ). So at CMC7 ( Animate Dead is CMC2), I'm better off running a Doomsday pile, which I've also decided is too high CMC.
Scheming Symmetry is tempting ( Sensei's Divining Top also works), but still don't have enough draw to make it viable. With I think could be viable, but I've also seen it removed by players with draw attached to their commanders, it's just too risky, basically gives your opponent the ability to stop you and then win themselves, likely. If Scheming Symmetry was Instant it could work with Mishra's Bauble and would be a playable/fantastic tutor, but drawing your card on their turn isn't good because our Infinite combos are sorcery speed (you can build an instant speed, but it starts degrading synergy).
Thoughtseize has been fantastic and very useful, plus it's modular ability to get Worldgorger Dragon out of my hand, it's helped me avoid walking into chaos by seeing the control players hand and either knowing or removing a catastrophic play.
Right now pretty sure I need Simian Spirit Guide , the is blah, but he gives me the for Animate Dead on T1, and gives me an Animate Dead target to stop the Worldgorger Dragon loop and play out my hand, hopefully tutors or a Razaketh, the Foulblooded in a perfect scenario. So like Swamp + Entomb + Chrome Mox / Lotus Petal + Simian Spirit Guide + Animate Dead + something to do with mana (tutor probably, don't have Cut in my build) is another T1 win outlet. Tutor Razaketh, the Foulblooded , then sac Simian Spirit Guide to get Leonin Relic-Warder into Dance of the Dead and tutor up a Goblin Bombardment and a Necromancy with infinite tutor (bound by life but it's T1 and only need 2 tutors = 4 life), and then infinite damage. Hoping it will just give me another T1 path to win, which should inevitably lower my Avg win turn at some point.
Talisman of Conviction is on the potential cutting block, it's great net rock, but no .
I'm thinking of abandoning the combat damage line, so Gisela, Blade of Goldnight would go, but not quite there yet. Most don't like Avacyn, Angel of Hope , as removal is usually exile, hand or changes it's board state, rarely destroy, but gives an option from destroy effects, so I don't know yet. I took Balefire Dragon out, think I still need him, he probably could be a Fire Covenant but I like my control on my ADD, my interaction package is a little light I know that, only because I prefer to just try and win, opposed to trying to stop others from winning, just a philosophy, don't think it costs me wins.
Running out of ideas, doing research on Discord, going to look through a bunch more decks, already did comparisons to the Primers there, I'm never going Stax Ob Nixilis, Unshackled or maybe Aven Mindcensor / Chains of Mephistopheles maybe ill win the lotto one day / Stranglehold as far as I'll go if I do go that route.
2 months ago
LVL_666 Payloads are spells that will actually win you the game if cast infinite under the right scenarios, such as Bogardan Hellkite , Searing Touch , Rolling Earthquake , Sickening Dreams which the latter 3 also count as winconless. Winconless decks seek to win using cards closest to the "useful spell" end of this spectrum. Which this deck isn't completely winconless, due to some cards counting as dead outside of the combo, like Bogardan Hellkite and WGD.
For a full breakdown of how this deck works, it is a mardu graveyard combo deck that essentially uses kaalia to cheat out powerful demons/angels under the competitive vacuum. This deck is fringe for sure, but can do greatly in specific meta's and is not meant to be put at a casual table. With that out of the way, for the WGD combo, here is how it works.
You are required to have Worldgorger Dragon (WGD or George) in your graveyard to perform this (or something that discards it into your graveyard. You cast Animate Dead from your hand (or Necromancy if you want to win at instant speed) and target WGD. When he enters the battlefield you must exile ALL of your permanents including your Animate Dead. Animate Dead states that when in leaves the field you must sacrifice the creature it was enchanted too. When WGD dies all permanents return back to the field untapped, most importantly, your lands come back untapped and your Animate Dead comes back as well. In response to them returning, tap all your lands for mana which will leave them floating. You will then target WGD again, rinse and repeating the process, causing an infinite mana loop until you are ready to stop it or not. If you do decide you want it to continue, if you have Bogardan Hellkite in hand, you can flash him in and burn the table or even kill hatebears, then kill the table or do the same with Searing Touch . If you stop it, you can sink all the mana you have into a card like Cut or Exsanguinate and win at sorcery speed. These also count as winconless.
Sorry for the miscommunication earlier, didn't realize what you were actually asking me, that and I was rushing due to me heading out to work, been a very long week because Christmas sales ect. at my job. I hope all of this helps you and trust me, this primer isn't fully done, there are other things that need to be done to it when I have proper time to sit down and do so. I hope you understand. Anyway if you have anything else to ask me, feel free, I am here to help you and am always available via Discord!
2 months ago
+1! @Your post
Cut ... fluffy, weak removal, weak late game burn.
Bog Witch ... slow! Cut!
You might also go down to 34 lands and add a few more madness.
Hissp on Anje Filter
6 months ago
Yes to Songs of the Damned !
I've also added Final Fortune .
7 months ago
I have a slightly different take on the Shared Fate archetype. The traditional method of making the deck is to not have any win conditions, and win by stealing your opponents' things. The problem is that this leaves you open to all the opponents' mischief. And any removal spell that you can use to slow them down will be used against you when you cast a threat from their library. This almost guarantees the opponent will always have a superior board position: anything you have that is good against their board before Shared Fate will be good against you after.
So, what you want are cards that break the symmetry:
Suspend: Suspend cards can only be suspended from your hand. An opponent could not suspend Ancestral Vision , and could not cast it for its mana cost, effectively making it a blank card under Shared Fate. Other suspend cards like Ith, High Arcanist or Mindstab , the opponent would have to wait many turns before being able to cast, if it even did them any good.
Flashback: These are generally symmetric. Before Shared Fate, you can cast it twice. After Shared Fate, the opponent can cast it, and then you can cast it. Lingering Souls is the best one, because it's cheaper for you to flashback then for them to cast.
Aftermath: I'm sure you heard this before, but the opponent can get the first half of the spell, but only you can get the aftermath half. These vary wildly in usefulness, but Never Cut Rags Spring Farm Start are all worth considering, especially because you can still get the first half before Shared Fate is on the battlefield.
Eternalize: These cards work differently from your graveyard, allowing you to actually have win conditions. Consider, for example: Proven Combatant . Before Shared Fate, you have a 1-mana 1/1. After Shared Fate, your opponent gets a 1-mana 1/1, but you get a 6-mana 4/4. Bonus points, because it's a zombie and cannot be targeted by Victim of Night , allowing you to have removal spells that can kill the opponent's creatures, but the opponent cannot use to kill your eternalized creatures. Of these, Adorned Pouncer , Sunscourge Champion and Dreamstealer are the pretty good, but Champion of Wits is absolutely nuts: eternalizing it with Shared Fate on the battlefield is "draw 4" with no drawback.
Dredge: You can choose which draw replacement effect replaces your draw, allowing you to dredge even from under Shared Fate. This means you can always get your Darkblast . Bonus points if you're using Aftermath and Eternalize cards.
Origins Flip Planeswalkers: This cycle of 5 specifically says to return it to the battlefield under its owners' control, so an opponent could never control them in their planeswalker form. I saw you had the blue one in your deck, but only Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip can be forced to transform against her controller's will (the opponent will still get the 2/2 zombie she makes).
Cycling: Cards that cycle must be in your hand, but there are a few important cards to consider: Gempalm Polluter and Krosan Tusker don't have any abilities for casting them normally, only cycling. Faerie Macabre isn't really cycling, but it is important because it is one of the few graveyard hate spells the opponent cannot use from under Shared Fate.
Recover: These cards from Coldsnap allow you to keep putting the card back in your hand from your graveyard, if you have the mana to do so. None of the cards its printed on are particularly good, but of these Sun's Bounty , Krovikan Rot and Grim Harvest might be the closest to playable. It's too bad there aren't more good cards in red for Shared Fate, because Rekindled Flame is pretty sweet.
Other: Fragmentize can kill a Leyline of the Void but not a Shared Fate . Damping Matrix and Damping Sphere work regardless of who played them. You'll be able to cast Panglacial Wurm when cracking a fetchland you got from the opponent's deck. If you have any targeting spells or abilities that only you can repeatedly use (like Darkblast ), or ways to exile it from your graveyard that only you can use (like Bone Dragon ) then Eternal Scourge can provide a lot of value.
You're probably wondering about how any or all of these ideas fit the theme of Shared Fate, and the answer is simple: unlike the traditional style, where you're trying to beat them with their deck, these ideas center around a Shared Deck; both you and the opponent will be playing your cards, and it doesn't really matter what's in their library. Sure, their cards give you more options, but the idea is that you can win without ever casting anything of theirs.
1 year ago
Creatures: Rakdos, Lord of Riots makes you jump through hoops to cast, then only really benefits creatures which you are light on. Although I love the flavor, it may be an upgrade target. Something like Vial Smasher the Fierce or Sire Of Insanity could keep the flavor but give better long term results.
Speaking of your creatures, over 90% cost 4+. You will need defense if unable to stay below suspicion. Which brings me to removal... Most of it is targeted or sorcery. In the colors where you will make each opponent angry, you NEED the flexibility to remove when needed. Or the very least, remove everything (board wipe) to buy time, ie: Damnation, Blasphemous Act... cards like that will keep the board clear till you can play the big X spells FTW. Midnight Recovery only targets your grave, which will most likely not have a target. Possibly Animate Dead or Beacon of Unrest would be a better fit. Sadistic Sacrament will, at best, anger 1 opponent. Most likely the 1 who is the most ahead. Why turn that chair? Secondly, Stitch Together also only works for your grave, which will most likely be creature light given ~17% of your build are creatures in the grave. Cut or Killing Wave may be options? Artifacts are heavily reliant on a creature. There are several card slots that could be utilized to better punish opponents here. Enchantments: Wound Reflection and Stolen Strategy are amazing! The other 2 feel narrow only because they rely on you having creatures. A single board wipe, removal spell, etc will render these cards worthless. Lastly, lands... this is a controversial topic I typically do not comment on via TO. I'll remain brief, but currently with a avg CMC of 3.63 and most of your spells costing 4+ or are X spells 37 lands feels low. 39 may be better. Although fetches don't add to much in EDH, they do offer choice and remove dead land draws later. More dual options could be helpful too. Lastly Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Cabal Coffers, Command Tower, Tainted Peak & Badlands are just to name a few. In closing, I love what this build is trying to do. Playing the player is very next level, even though it creates fast enemies. Preparing for the backlash that comes with being 'that player' will increase both win and fun. Believe me. You may not win every game, but you'll have a great time seeing everyone squirm. Keep up the dirty work. There is always the most filthy of them all... Suicide Rakdos. :)
1 year ago
Going to vote neither. Both have high potential to be dead cards in a lot of games. I would suggest 1x Cut the Ribbons instead.