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Crucible of the Spirit Dragon
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, Remove X storage counters from Crucible of the Spirit Dragon: Add X mana in any combination of colors to your mana pool. Spend this mana only to cast Dragon spells or activate abilities of Dragons.
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Crucible of the Spirit Dragon Discussion
3 weeks ago
Ignore the Crucible of the Spirit Dragon, didn't read the whole card
3 weeks ago
Plus, a suggestion for the deck, storage lands could be immensely useful for your purpose, if you don't start off with lands on the battlefield. You could spend all of your mana on the lands then blow it all once you can afford the creatures!
1 month ago
New mana base looks pretty awesome. I have some recommendations though. The enemy fetches are expensive, but the Mirage slow fetches aren't. (Bad River, Rocky Tar Pit, Mountain Valley, Flood Plain, and Grasslands). I know that Prof over at Tolarian Community College recommends 10 fetches, so you could try those.
I still don't like Crucible of the Spirit Dragon, but that's because I was losing badly, and I had a chance to hang on if I drew any land that could produce colored mana the turn that it came down. Crucible is a pain to use. I would replace it with something else. Personally, I feel lands like those belong more in an Atraxa deck.
Also, have you thought of Sarkhan Unbroken yet? Even if you can't ultimate him, you still get mana fixing, card draw, and Dragon tokens.
2 months ago
2 months ago
Hey, you're using 21x ETB tapped lands. This is a lot, making the manabase really slow. To speed up budget manabases rely on basic lands and dual lands which have interaction with basic lands, check lands such as Rootbound Crag and tango lands such as Cinder Glade. Check lands and tango lands also have interaction with eachother which is very helpful. Budget manabases that use green are also better off playing more basics because they can be tutored for with land ramp spells such as Rampant Growth and Cultivate. Pain lands such as Underground River are also better than lands like Bad River.
In theory using the ETB tapped fetch lands such as Mountain Valley while slow can work with the tango lands such as Smoldering Marsh. The problem with the way you've set-up the manabase is you're not using enough basic lands, only 8, to make this interaction worth it. Even if you fetch a tango land it's still going to ETB tapped because it requires at least two basic lands in your control.
A playable budget five color manabase that has an equal amount of all colors is hard to construct therefore my advice is to pick two colors as your two most important colors and then splash the rest. Rely on artifact ramp such as Signets: Gruul Signet, Simic Signet and green land ramp spells, basic lands and ramp creatures such as Sylvan Caryatid to help to fix your colors. This means including more artifact ramp and cards that can fix your colors of mana than you would probably like, but is necessary for the deck to function.
I don't know what your Dragon decklist looks like so I can only use the original Dragon precon's manabase as reference. Looking at the original precon red is the most important color because a lot of Dragons have heavy red casting costs. Green is second and it's just as important as red because you want to cast land ramp spells in the early game which can not only ramp, but also fix colors of mana. Black is next, white and blue should just be splashes.
Here's a manabase for you to consider. The manabase focuses on green and red as the two most important colors and splashes the rest of the colors. This example $44 manabase has 16 basic lands and includes 23 green sources, 23 red sources, 16 black sources, 14 white sources and 14 blue sources with 6 lands which ETB tapped. It's set-up to take advantage of the interaction between basic lands, check lands and tango lands.
- 6x Mountain
- 5x Forest
- 3x Swamp
- 1x Plains
- 1x Island
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Mana Confluence
- Crucible of the Spirit Dragon
- Haven of the Spirit Dragon
- Path of Ancestry
- Savage Lands
- Jungle Shrine
- Frontier Bivouac
- Evolving Wilds
- Terramorphic Expanse
- Rootbound Crag
- Sunpetal Grove
- Dragonskull Summit
- Clifftop Retreat
- Hinterland Harbor
- Karplusan Forest
- Canopy Vista
- Cinder Glade
- Smoldering Marsh
- Sunken Hollow
- Prairie Stream
I can further help you if you would like with the manabase, but I need to see the decklist your using the manabase with.
2 months ago
Heyo VexenX, I do enjoy the new list update. Line up seems good and I do like some of the current changes you made. I do ask, how are the mana dorks working out for you? I am having a hard time trying to fit some in, especially the main three I want to add being Birds of Paradise, Selvala, Heart of the Wilds, and Shaman of Forgotten Ways. I am personally not a fan of Somberwald Sage in a 5 color deck plus the fact that she only has 1 toughness makes her an easy kill target. The other thing I don't like is that she makes only 3 mana of 1 color. If it was 3 mana of any color combination, then that would be better but that is not the case sadly. I think the other 3 are much better and birds being a 1 drop makes it an easy helper for setting up the board, and so I feel that it justifies the 1 toughness on birds.
I am also a huge fan of Lurking Predators and ask how it is preforming in your deck? I am thinking of replacing my Descendants' Path with it because the fact that path does require at least one creature on the board. Predators still works after a board wipe. Plus the idea of having a dragon countered only to get another from the top of the deck is very nice lol. I also noticed you removed Mirari's Wake, and Sylvan Library, and curious as to why? Did they not preform as much as you wanted?
With the amount of card draw that you do possess now, I would recommend adding two cards to help with the possible flooding of cards in hand. Reliquary Tower and Thought Vessel. Don't want to end up discarding a lot of the cards that were drawn. Could remove Crucible of the Spirit Dragon for the Reliquary Tower.
As I said, I love some of the changes, but just curious behind the reasoning on some of them. I plan on making a few changes to my deck today to try and improve it. Really hope that The Ur-Dragon continues to go far in the commander world and would love to see other future dragons that could potentially throw this deck through the roof.
@xstuffstuffstuffx: Why? Just why would you post something like that? We build decks to the best of our ability and to our liking/personality so that we can enjoy playing the game. We then post them here so that people can see what we have created and make suggestions to improve the current deck. If he wanted to continue playing Scion of the Ur-Dragon, he would have left the deck as that. Plus the fact that Scion and The Ur-Dragon make two completely different styles of dragon decks that grouping them is almost useless. Want to play combos and focus on your commander? Then scion is for you. Want to play a massive armada of dragons? Then you play The Ur-Dragon. Sorry if I went off on a rant, but I feel that you could have made a comment that could have helped progress the deck versus saying something that goes against the deck and its creators decision. It defeats the ideal of building what one wants to build as a deck that the game Magic: The Gathering is completely founded on. Maybe I went to deep, but that is how I feel. Have a great day sir or madam and enjoy whatever decks you decide to build.
3 months ago
Awesome deck. I have a mono red dragon deck with Zirilan as well (not fully updated on this site though).
Some cards you def need:
Braid of Fire - a growing pool of red mana.
Conjurer's Closet - Use this on a dragon you've tutored for with Zirilan and poof, you don't lose the dragon.
Hoarding Dragon - Finds conjurer's closet or other Artifacts
Mirrorpool - Can also be used to copy a creature that you've tutored for with Zirilan, a copy that you get to keep.
Mudslide - All your stuff flies...
Hellkite Tyrant - An alternate wincon
Good Luck +1
6 months ago
Davidmon99 I appreciate the ideas, but I'm not going to use Haven of the Spirit Dragon because if you look in my sideboard I have Crucible of the Spirit Dragon which I would prefer and I think that your right about putting in Dragonlord's Servant and also with Temur Ascendancy. Thank you for the ideas!